AenimA v.338

[Moderator]

18:32, 12th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Rejected

 

[Sube2]

Please leave comments with suggestions and ratings!

 

[ACdestinydream]

omg u stole the picture!
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/darknesschasersiiv1-5-a-153751/?prev=r%3D20%26page%3D4
tell me, did u steal his picture? because it wasnt meant to, unless u asked for permission.

 

[Sube2]

omg u stole the picture!
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/darknesschasersiiv1-5-a-153751/?prev=r%3D20%26page%3D4
tell me, did u steal his picture? because it wasnt meant to, unless u asked for permission.

I looked up Necromancer on Google Images. Lol, it's on the first page.

 

[dead-man-walking]

Does this contains AI (Asking because it seems interesting)?

 

[Sube2]

Does this contains AI (Asking because it seems interesting)?

No it doesn't.. I am in the process of working on one though, because it does seem quite fitting for a game like this.

 

[real138]

lol looks good you got my review already

 

[Sube2]

lol looks good you got my review already

Can you rate it please?

 

[real138]

ha id ay 2.5/5 right now but thats the rating from the last version havent seen the new one.

 

[Sube2]

ha id ay 2.5/5 right now but thats the rating from the last version havent seen the new one.

Lol the last version was all buggy and in test phase real.. You should have just waited to test the released version. Then rate

 

[real138]

ha i said that.

 

[Sube2]

ha i said that.

Lol well I didn't know you hadn't tried it

 

[real138]

lol i got no time to test for another week. ill give a full review then

 

[Sube2]

lol i got no time to test for another week. ill give a full review then

Alright cool, you'll notice that this v has alot more in it than the one you played.

 

[real138]

awesome cant wait to see it.

 

[SodaROAR]

Me and a few friends play this game like everytime we're on. This map has alot of unique qualities and is very fun to play even if you're begginner. It's easy for new starters, and it still has very many strategies to learn create, and use. Every game we play is different, someone wins with a different strategy each time and it's really fun and challenging.


-Terrain: 4/5 (It has very nice terrain, but there are a few blizzard made cliffs in the 2nd arena, but for the most part it uses custom cliffs with very nice detail)

-Replayability 5/5 (As I said before, noobies can learn fast and play in the first minute. There are many different strategies to learn and there are different gameplay styles.)

-Bug Problems 5/5 (I have played this game atleast 30 times in the past week, and have yet to find a single bug.)

-Customization 4/5 (Everything is almost completely customized, theres just a few things that he used some blizzard effects, but the game still looks nice.)

-Models 5/5 (The models in this are great! Every model has nice detail to it!)

-Gameplay 6/5 ( yeah seriously, This doesn't mean it's the best map in wc3, but the gameplay on this is set up incredibly smoothly.)

-Teamwork 3/5 - 5/5 ( Of course if you play Free For All mode, this is pointless. But in Team Deathmatch, the teamwork is required to an extent, but sometimes it isn't completely necessary. In Team Domination Mode however, there is definetly no I in team. This mode is an instant lose if your team doesn't work together.)

I highly suggest this map to anyone.

 

[light bolt30]

Keep changelogs under hidden tags, I liked how you didn't use blizzard cliffs in one of the arena's but the other...

 

[-Kobas-]

AenimA v.338
Created by Sube2 ; Uploaded by: Sube2
Map size: 1397.04 KB

1st - Ingame description / Custom GI
2nd - How you used Import Manager
3th - How you used Sound Manager
4th - Gameplay

1st - Terrain
2nd - Triggers
3th - Memory Leaks
4th - How you used Object Editor

Click

Well I checked your map and I must say that I am a little disappointed!
Idea:
I already played few maps that looks like this one, I find only custom Game interface and maybe few stuff about gameplay that are new!
Map description:
Your map description is same like idea, simple without colors, only few basic stuff! For change all modes can be put in single hidden tag, different color can describe each one, add change log list into hidden tag also...
Screenshots look horrible, honestly, why not to show custom game interface, few awesome spells ingame or how you created your terrain, at least hit "i" on your keyboard next time to hide that pink boxes!
Here check this one:
The importance of a Description [09 May 2009 17:41]ap0calypse
and BB code list! (Maybe you already know this but why not to check it again, don't be lazy)
Ingame description / Custom GI:
I really like how you changed Human UI Tile, looks great but I must say that multiboard and customgame interface are only good things, you don't have hints, quest log is poor, really poor, credits are very bad (add color at least) Attack damage and Armor icons are fail, you have many programs out there and many already created icons to replace standard ones, grrrrr...
I like this one only because of poor but at least created credit list and custom interface...
Here link again:
Polishing Your Game [24 May 2010 15:55]N1ghthawk
Terrain:
Grrrr I see that you tried to create custom cliffs etc etc, but some doodads are fail, Crater, Rocks (barrens), Rock Spires looks horrible!
No Global Weather, No Custom Light Environment, No Terrain fog, grrrrrr...
But don't worry I have something for ya:

Click and find out

Beginners F.A.Q To Terraining [22 May 2009 21:18]iPeez
Creating a Dungeon Entrance [07 Oct 2009 14:07]X-OMG-X
Creating Rivers with Rolling Shores [31 Dec 2006 21:56]1337D00D
Editing Cliff Skins [02 Jan 2009 20:17]Argus
How to Make Easy Waterfalls [10 Nov 2009 08:38]RoboHippo
How to make good looking lava in WE [03 Feb 2010 13:50]Piwlady
How to remove Blight's green clouds [26 Oct 2009 04:11]Stathisdjs
iPeez's Complete Terraing Tutorial v1.0 [18 Jan 2009 18:38]iPeez
Natural Environments [30 Aug 2008 21:42]~Void~
Pathing - Everything about it [01 Jan 2010 18:33]Dr. Boom
Playable Terrain: Islands [06 Sep 2008 08:41]Belgarath
Playable Terrain: Overgrown Forests [03 May 2008 01:27]Belgarath
Polishing Your Game [25 May 2010 00:55]N1ghthawk
Terrain Overgoes - a small guide [28 Sep 2009 04:33]Belgarath
Terrain: Advanced Lighting [13 Feb 2008 05:41]~Void~
Terrain: Forest Cliffs [06 May 2007 11:48]Jattenalle
Terraining - Path by the Sea [16 Feb 2008 02:23]Belgarath
Terraining Tut. - Forests [04 Dec 2006 03:52]HernanG
The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial [12 Jun 2007 13:31]HermanTheGibbon
Various Terraining Tips! [17 Sep 2009 21:59]Revolve

Well I attached links to few tut here on THW and to their Authors!
Some are easy some are for advanced users!

Some have little to do with terrain some much more!
Pls at least scroll down each one just to check pictures!

If you really want to learn how to terrain, check also other sites like
http://world-editor-tutorials.thehelper.net/
http://www.wc3c.net/
and others...

open maps, check terrain contest etc etc, check terrain board and people showcases, explore user albums, search Hive... You can always ask some user for help, join to Chat room sometimes (http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/apps.php?p=gochat)

2 Much work to do right...

Triggers:
OMG I don't know what to say, game seams to work but triggers are horrible, some actions are disabled because of errors...

• Start Up
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Player Group - Pick every player in (All players) and do (Camera - Set (Picked player)'s camera Distance to target to 4000.00 over 0.00 seconds)
    • Camera - Apply Camera 001 <gen> for Player 1 (Red) over 0.00 seconds
    • Animation - Change [U]Unit's[/U] vertex coloring to (40.00%, 0.00%, 60.00%) with 60.00% transparency
• -------------------------------------------------
• [U]Unit's[/U] => There is no unit for example
• -------------------------------------------------

Here are some tutorials and links again so check if you have time:

Click again

2D Array Tutorial [10 Aug 2008 11:13]TriggerHappy
A Collection of GUI Systems > Basic to Advanced (Incomplete) [27 Aug 2008 19:36]Kwah
Advanced votekick tutorial just 6 triggers needed [06 Jan 2008 02:46]marcotjuhhhh
Aquiring Abilities with Items [09 Dec 2007 11:29]PiCkstix
Array Tutorial [13 May 2005 15:10]Draqz
Arrow Key Movement / Camera System [14 Nov 2007 22:32]OneEight7even
Basic Memory Leaks [03 Jan 2006 07:48]Ralle
Basic Triggering [03 Jan 2006 07:11]Ralle
Basics of a Cinematic [28 Aug 2006 09:02]Archian
Basics of a Dialog [06 Mar 2007 17:09]Orc_Tamer
Basics of Trigger Enhancing Spells [26 Nov 2006 07:53]Daelin
Basics of Triggers [03 Apr 2007 14:40]Archian
Buying abilitys [08 Aug 2007 14:55]Parrothead
Chapter 1 - Static shapes (GUI) [26 Nov 2006 08:16]Daelin
Chapter 2 - Dynamic Effects (GUI) [26 Nov 2006 08:05]Daelin
Coloured Names [26 Dec 2009 23:20]sPy
Complete and Concise GUI Tutorial [27 Dec 2008 16:56]Zypher
Complete GUI Trigger Index/List [20 Oct 2006 09:17]Knights
Create a sucessfull timer with window (reuploaded) [07 Sep 2008 09:05]Cheezeman
Create precise timing cinematic using real variable [22 Apr 2009 21:54]Septimus
Creating a First Person Camera [06 Aug 2008 06:58]Magamdy
Creating a Hero Pick System: The Easier Way. [30 Dec 2007 11:51]Shantari
Creating a Votekick System [07 Nov 2007 21:34]1)ark_NiTe
Creating Easy Multi-User Quests [15 Aug 2007 10:02]The_Big_S
Creating Enterable/Exitable Houses [25 Feb 2008 19:49]Tekal
Creating some basic abilities [22 Apr 2007 04:45]paskovich
Creep Respawn (GUI) [13 Apr 2008 16:05]SkriK
Difficulty System - The Easy Way [05 Jun 2009 16:39]hunalexnl
Dynamic Values Storage [25 Mar 2009 12:28]Kingz
Essentials Tutorial [22 Aug 2009 06:25]Deuterium
Exploration of Vertex Coloring [20 Jan 2007 11:45]chovynz
Flexible Arrow Key Movement System [23 Apr 2010 16:03]RazorbladeRay
Full Menus and Buttons Toturial [15 Apr 2008 05:57]xXCRIMINALXx
Game Caches [18 Mar 2006 06:18]Bob27
Gamespeed Keys [04 Oct 2007 14:22]Saitek009
GUI - Hero Click-Selection (Advanced) [04 Oct 2007 13:27]Fulla
Hashtables and MUI [26 Jun 2009 11:54]wyrmlord
Hero Defense Template [25 Jan 2008 23:02]vnakira
Hero Selection Systems [20 Aug 2007 06:33]Eleandor
Hero Selection Systems [23 Mar 2007 15:03]Tonks
How to begin in triggering, for the complete noob [24 Jan 2009 12:45]hawk_767
How to make a Chain spell (GUI Version) [13 Aug 2006 12:09]Daelin
How to make a Find that Person Quest. [11 Apr 2008 11:27]Dark Hunter1357
How to Make Buildable Gates [20 Apr 2008 16:48]Mashintao
How To Make Item Recipes [16 May 2007 09:29]Tooolbox
How to make Professions [14 Sep 2008 06:59]Airandius
How to make slow motion special effects [28 Nov 2007 15:27]nathanman
How to trigger Auto-cast (Arrow) Abilities [26 Apr 2010 14:05]Stonebludgeon
IDS (Infinite Number of Item Classes) [29 Mar 2010 06:59]-Kobas-
Introduction To Trigger-Enhancing Spells [27 Jul 2004 13:32]whitenights
Item-drop-system [06 Mar 2009 11:05]SlayerII
Leaderboards [10 Aug 2006 06:18]Archian
Lumber/Food Clock [25 Oct 2009 06:44]Arowanna92
Making a full TD [Reviewed: Ralle] [27 Jun 2008 12:51]Ostaph13
Making a Grenade Type Spell [14 Jul 2008 20:07]PrisonLove
Making a Maze [11 Feb 2009 11:40]DarkLordX
Making an Open Rpg [12 Jan 2006 01:43]Ralle
Making any Spell Autocasting [15 Mar 2006 13:49]Ralle
Making Elevators [25 Nov 2008 06:58]cool_is_i
Multi-Instancible GUI Spell Making [26 May 2007 11:56]wyrmlord
Multiboard Counter [30 Dec 2008 09:30]Squiggy
Multiboards [11 Apr 2006 04:41]Bob27
Multiple Creep Spawn System [12 Apr 2007 07:05]DoOs_101
Off-site Tutorials [14 Sep 2009 12:52]Pyritie
Point To Point Unit System [25 Jan 2009 22:59]rover2341
PSN Hero Selection [23 Nov 2007 06:52]Kieve
Quests [22 Feb 2006 23:15]Bob27
RDZ's Incredible Item Stacking System of Doom [05 Oct 2005 12:28]Rao Dao Zao
Reviving Heroes at a Changeable Region [23 Mar 2010 00:35]dOT145
Save/Load Compression [28 Aug 2008 08:02]Hoernchen
Simple Triggered Hero Artificial Intelligence in GUI [02 May 2007 03:38]DenZel94
Spells - Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) [25 Jul 2004 13:27]The_Raven
Spells Importing Tutorial [26 Nov 2006 07:58]Daelin
Stacking Items [21 Dec 2007 11:36]DigitalDemon
Starting with GUI [21 Mar 2008 06:51]Lord_of_sausage
TaaZ's Item System [26 Jul 2005 21:08]TaaZ
The mysteries of the Spellbook [27 Apr 2007 13:36]Diablo-dk
Torch System [25 Jan 2009 15:27]Belgarath
Variables [03 Jan 2006 08:37]Ralle
[GUI] Efficient Arrays - Multiinstanceabilty for Timers, Custom Values, and more [27 Aug 2008 12:04]PurplePoot
[Reviewed: BlinkBoy] Understanding triggers and creating them. [20 Aug 2008 15:52]Zypher

I want to say that I posted only GUI tutorials that can be found on THW you can also visit many other sites like wc3c or the helper net etc etc...
Why GUI, well I know Jass a little, I can understand but I can't explain it, so I posted only stuff that I can help you with!
Also if someone see that some new tutorials are uploaded or maybe deleted tell me so I can fix list, thanks!

Memory Leaks:
I find some memory leaks in your triggers, pls check links above you will understand what they are if you don't already know...

• Untitled Trigger 002
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Is issued an order targeting a point
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Unit - Move (Triggering unit) instantly to (Target point of issued order)
• ......................................
• Example for this trigger
• ......................................

How you used Import Manager:
I can see that all imported stuff are files with low size, and that is really good! You have custom loading screen and map preview image, that's even better!
How you used Object Editor:
You just replaced abilities, units etc etc
It is really hard to find what you want...
This one is small problem but pro map maker should be well organized!
How you used Sound Editor:
This one is good, you used sounds and music in your map!
Gameplay:
Gameplay looks ok, it can be a little boring because there is already 2 much maps that look like this one but still you have done very nice job with custom modes! To explain, host can pick game modes and select difficulty with variables that means that game mode can be different for each game!
Heroes looks good, models are ok but abilities are blizzard ones (ofc you change them a little)... 3 heroes only, few items and abilities...

And for the end my last words:
The Hive includes many talented Warcraft III modders of all skill levels among its users. New members (especially friendly ones) are always welcome. Take a look around and enjoy your stay, may it be long and productive!

Some good places to start include:

• The Important Site Rules
• Your User Control Panel
• Warcraft III Tutorials
• Cool Avatars
• Search The Hive
• Community Members
• The Hive Workshop Staff
• THW Chat

Searching the site using the above link always helps, you can learn a lot that way: just reading and learning is usually the best place to start, especially if one feels overwhelmed.

Likewise, the tutorials can really teach ALL of us a thing or two.
The chat room is cool: lots of people can answer questions there.

A few other tips that might help too:
-Always search first! Did I already mention THAT?
-When creating a new thread, make the title VERY specific: so the site's search engine (and we users) can easily understand just what the thread contains.
-Post your new threads in the proper forum: read the descriptions of each one so that you know what to post there.
-If all else fails, just send me a private message! I'll try to do whatever I can to help.

For new users:
If map isn't finished jet, use Map Development forum for that! You can make thread there upload your map so people can tell you what they think just like here! Also for any help with triggers or how to clean memory leaks post triggers and create threads here Triggers & Scripts! Btw if you need any help with WE we have World Editor Help Zone here on THW! And at the end if you need any resource from icons to loading screens check this out Requests!

I hope that my comment helps even a little so you can improve your map, if you want to know more, or just simple ask for something else I will try to help for sure!

Final mark:

 

[Sube2]

The last memory leak you pointed out wasn't in use. It was just a quick trigger I turned on to screw around with during testing. So I don't think it's fair to count that. Lol.

Oh and I disabled the actions by myself. Lol there's no errors.

The game works fine and is seems bugless from all my tests and others playing and never lags or causes memory leak problems. I had the editor set up to my preferences, so It's kinda biased and unfair to rate it badly cus the triggers and object editor isn't placed the way you like it. When I'm triggering I always turn off actions and stuff incase I can fix it. It also helps me remember where to start. So that's a little unfair to rate badly because of that.

Now, I will admit that I didn't make it very user-friendly with people who wanted to look at it, but hey I quit wc3, I didn't wanna spend a ton of time fixing it. So sorry lol.

To the point, your overview is very biased and really doesn't tackle your reasoning, because some of the triggers you used as examples for your overview were disabled and could not be enabled at any point in the game. The editor would have had to turn it on for it to even work.

Tips for you:
Biased opinion = Bad Overview.
You should not downgrade someone else's work because it's not the way you would have done it. Only downgrade work that doesn't work properly.

 

[-Kobas-]

Well maybe it works on your PC, some other user has poor configuration and he need nice and clean triggers so he can play map without lag!

Maybe is trigger test one, but you must clean leaks everywhere, try to get used to it!
Cleaning leaks should be something normal and honestly it isn't 2 hard to learn few functions!

Also remember, triggers like:
-> Each 0.01 sec do
-> Create 100 units
-> For each X from 1 to 100 create special effect
etc etc
ARE FAIL and try to avoid them

And for the end I downgrade your work because I want to help you!
There is no point to give map 5/5 mark and vote for approval when it isn't finished jet!

 

[Ironside]

Information:


As a Reviewer of the Map Reviewers Group, I joined the THW Cleaning Event.
I end up writing a fast review, or just posting the end state of the map, rating is not always included!


Current State for this map: Rejected


I will contact the moderator to Approve/Reject the map, depending on what you recieved.

 

[Sube2]

Sooooooo this map got rejected for no reason at all?

 

[Sube2]

All those trriggers that you said are fail can be handled and kept from causing memory leaks or lag. Which apparently they were treated since there is neither lag or memory leaks.