Alterac Battle 0.89c

[Moderator]

18:49, 1st Sep 2011
-Kobas-:
Status: Rejected

 

[Mumbis]

Use these BBcodes to improve your description.. Make it look more interesting and nice etc by adding some color and some boxes!
Is your map optimized btw?

 

[youkaiz]

I added some boxes, and i still making new things to map.
Yes map is Optimized and Protected, but if anyone want to help making things for map i can send opened version to we work toguether.

 

[Mumbis]

@youkaiz
Good! Now add some colors to the text
Like for example... it looks much nicer if you color the title with one color and the other text with one:
-Game Story-
The battle of Alterac Valley has been going on for years between the dwarfs of the Alliance and the orcs of the Horde. Drek'thar invaded the dwarfs teritory not knowing that it was the start of a never ending siege. Now, both the alliance and the horde has hired a line of legendary champions, all sticking out by their heroic deeds.
The war is about to end, once and for all.
Will you make history?

Something like that

 

[youkaiz]

I want to use same history of WoW and i still don't know a good description to use on map =/

 

[ksStr]

Personal View:
-I think the creeps are too much and it caused their movement to be delayed...
-They walk and turn back and then walk again @@. dono whether is my PC's problem..

 

[RaijinSpark]

I'd love some screenshot, one of things a person must see in order to make him/her download a map.

 

[ImperialShadow]

pls make custom item for heroes and custom skills.Also make some recipe.it kinda boring if normal skills and normal items.

 

[youkaiz]

Im working on heros, but it take alot of time.
I want to make Tank/Healer/DpS heros each hero focused on only 1 thing.

 

[Mumbis]

I know what you mean, i've spent atleast 1 whole month on making all heroes for my own map, final showdown.
Takes alot of time to get em good

 

[youkaiz]

If anyone can help with map.
I need make a better terrain, units models, and spells effects.
(preffer to don't use any imported model to hold tiny map size)

I working on new itens now and don't have too much time to improve tarrain, unit models, creeps spells.

 

[Slayer14]

Hey, I like AoS maps! I'll try this out and leave a review when I'm done!

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Good things about your map:

• Nice Floating Text to show gold being gained over time.
• Custom items. That's always good.
• Nice, simple, and not bad looking setup. (Terrain, layout)
• Bases appear balanced.
• Edited some things in the Gameplay Interface.
• Personally, I like that really large Altar of Kings behind the Mountain King in the Human Base.

Bad things about your map:

• Nothing in the quest log (such as information on the map that can be referred to at any point while the player is playing). What if he forgets the commands that flashes up on the screen at the start of game?
• No custom Heroes.
• The word "itens" should be "items" instead.
• No Neutral Hostile creeps.
• The bases don't really have enough in them. Most AoS bases have a barracks, a town hall, and other buildings for looks to fill some of that empty space in the base, and to have a better place to have the troops spawn from.
• The units owned by Blue and Red are just running back and forth from their base to the middle of the map, as if they are confused on which base to go to. That needs fixing. That one bug kinda ruins the gameplay.
  

Overall:

Since the gameplay is ruined by the bug where the units just go back and forth between the two bases, I won't rate the map yet, since I really don't know how the map would play out if it didn't have that bug. But overall, it's a pretty simple map. If I were to rate it though, I might give it a 3/5. I suggest you do something to your map to make it more enjoyable, such as some random events, or well for starters, creeps.

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[youkaiz]

Nothing in the quest log (such as information on the map that can be referred to at any point while the player is playing). What if he forgets the commands that flashes up on the screen at the start of game? Fixing it now


No custom Heroes. <<< I will do this to 0.7+ version, first i will work more on game mechanics.

The word "itens" should be "items" instead. <<< Fixed

No Neutral Hostile creeps.<<< I don't want to add neutral creeps, have too many factions creeps is far enought, but i want to make some "bosses" spawn sometimes.

The bases don't really have enough in them. Most AoS bases have a barracks, a town hall, and other buildings for looks to fill some of that empty space in the base, and to have a better place to have the troops spawn from. <<< Fixed, i think

The units owned by Blue and Red are just running back and forth from their base to the middle of the map, as if they are confused on which base to go to. That needs fixing. That one bug kinda ruins the gameplay. Fixed with new AI, i hope this new AI work fine.

 

[Orcnet]

Map Review

"Alterac Valley" another AOS map that resembles the scenes of the Alterac Valley of World of Warcraft's pvp battleground. this map was made by Youkaiz.

Map Review

Alterac Valley v0.64

Rating System

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	5/5	91-100	A

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	4/5	81-90%	B

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	3/5	75-80%	C

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	2/5	70-74%	D

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	1/5	50-69%	F

General:

Gameplay-[5/5]
Note: Were I pronounce your game challenging or a waste of time.

Playability-[5/5]
Note: This part tells me if the game is rather fun and can be played again and again.

Terrain-[5/5]
Note: Were I tell your game's environmental display is either great or terrible.

Managing-[5/5]
Note: This is were I explain the output or outcome quality of the game.

Bug/s
Note: No score, just to tell your map has bugs on it or simply bug-free.

Overall-[20/20]

About My Reputations:

My complements for the Maker/s of the map's game.

Were I explain your map needs to get fix or make an improvement of your work.

Overview

Gameplay

I find your game annoying and hard to finish at the same time, I mean a 40 wave is just too much, and the healing spam is so hard to coupe on, reduce the healing effects or rather remove it and replace it with the Human Priest's Heal ability, the creep spawning commands, I recommend you to also remove it since that is too imbalance in the game of an AOS, its best if you could just make those commands into a de-bug like state or wtf, you know what I mean.

Playability

The playability of your map is so boring, usually, an AOS map makes the players Think, Visualize, and React as fast as they could because its a game of where predators can be the prey and prey can be the vice-versa. I suggest you enlarge your map and make a terrain or environment where players can make good strategies within the game, not just making them stand in the middle and do spamming skills that makes you so bored.

Terrain

The Terrain was plain, I suggest you combine Lordaeron/Village Terrain with the Lordaeron Winter so your map would look epic, make good mountains, icey waters, lakes and add better doodads and environments for your map to look alive.

Managing

On my conclusions, its not enough, I mean you can kill your allies and that is not good for an AOS map, make a trigger where you cannot kill your allies but rather deny them, all towers act the same, no level by level, where on each said levels, they increase there damage and hitpoints for the enemy cannot pass so easily, the items, I suggest you just make recipe systems instead of making the same items. and finally, the bosses of the game, well there good to me, nothing bad to explain about it but there is one thing, it would be nice if you can make a good ending. like making the map pause and show the overall multiboard for all players, or something better.

Bug/s

No bugs for now

Total Score

Rating	Number	Percent	Letter
	6/20	65%	F

[Fail]
Hope you can do better than before, Goodluck!
happy map-making!

 

[youkaiz]

I still working on everyting of map, making a new version every day.
I think most part of map problens have been fixed on new versions now.

 

[eubz]

Right, screenshots are cool...
______________________

LHS v2
The Villager
Book of Virtue
Last Hero Standing (nmv)

 

[Mumbis]

eheey! you took my idea for a description!

EDIT:
I Think this map idea is to awesome! Let me help you make some spells for the heroes :3
I know how to make the most of the real WoW spells.. Can help you with alot more aswell I guess!
Just love this idea somehow. x)

 

[Slayer14]

Well, this map has definitely improved since the last time I looked at it. The terrain has made serious improvements, the bases look a lot better, you have some new heroes, you have information in the quest log now, and I see you've fixed that bug (which of course was a must ). All of these characteristics make your map much better than it was before.

One minor problem I've seen though. You put the map's environmental sound effect on "Psychotic", which makes all sounds on the map with a seriously weird sounding echo that lasts too long to sound normal, if you have your 3D Environmental Sound Effects in the audio settings on.

The game can also lag a little with all of those units that spawn you have spawning. Another thing is that the map seems kind of boring when all of the units are just sitting there in the middle attacking each other, but there are so many units there, you can't kill all of them. I'd only probably find this fun if I played it with about 5 different people.

3.5/5(~4/5) from me.

 

[youkaiz]

Anyone to test map again plz?

without any feedback is hard to know what to do =/

 

[Weyird]

I'll say it has potential. But so far, that's it...
The next sentence is not advice, it's not a suggestion, it's an order: Halve the numbers of creeps that spawn... I played for half an hour.. I had Tyrande and after half an hour, with lvl4 trueshot aura, spamming starfall every 30sec and with that item that gives +5 devotion aura i coudn't push the creeps out of the river... WOW.

People like to be strong.. I get that your idea for the map is that the heroes people play with are mercenaries that are just "helping out"... If I were a lowly soldier in world war three and i really wanted one side to win, I'd "help out" as well.. But today I was playing a game, something i was hoping to get some fun out of, and i attack moved, spammed my ulti, and didnt make a difference. I couldnt even get to the first line of towers.. Make hall heroes about 3 or 4 times stronger than they currently are compared to creeps

You should turn the bounty flag on for the creeps' player.. Then at least I could try and pay attention to stuff and bother last hitting. As of yet, besides killing heroes, i havent figured out how i actually get that periodic cash boost.

My item BROKE?! BROKE?! After spending about 1k gold on it, it just said "oops, your item BROKE!?!?" Maybe you thought it was a nifty idea at one stage, but it is most definitely NOT. When i tried to make it again, it broke randomly a few more times..

OK, sorry if this message came across a bit aggressively.. But I've pointed out things that need the most urgent attention.
Other than that, i noticed:
Suggested Players: 10+? There can only be ten players.

Also, you need to put some round-about paths and stuff into the trees so players can run around to the back of the armies, etc..

 

[youkaiz]

People like to be strong.. I get that your idea for the map is that the heroes people play with are mercenaries that are just "helping out"... If I were a lowly soldier in world war three and i really wanted one side to win, I'd "help out" as well.. But today I was playing a game, something i was hoping to get some fun out of, and i attack moved, spammed my ulti, and didnt make a difference. I couldnt even get to the first line of towers.. Make hall heroes about 3 or 4 times stronger than they currently are compared to creeps

I done it now, add "-easy" command to easy mode all NPCs have half HP and is prety easy to push.

You should turn the bounty flag on for the creeps' player.. Then at least I could try and pay attention to stuff and bother last hitting. As of yet, besides killing heroes, i havent figured out how i actually get that periodic cash boost.

I can't enable boutry cuz we have healers heros and they don't kill so much.
I can try add a low bountry like 1-5 gold each creep, but dps heros will gain alot more, but is a test.

My item BROKE?! BROKE?! After spending about 1k gold on it, it just said "oops, your item BROKE!?!?" Maybe you thought it was a nifty idea at one stage, but it is most definitely NOT. When i tried to make it again, it broke randomly a few more times..

Hehe, this is the idea, each time you try upgrade a item you never know if it will work or you will lost it.
Btw add "-bc XX" (Broke Chance) command default is 10, if you select -bc 0 items never will broke, oc if select 100 they will ever broke.

Suggested Players: 10+? There can only be ten players.

Is only to ppl coment about, haha it work *-*, i want a fun sentence to use on it.

Also, you need to put some round-about paths and stuff into the trees so players can run around to the back of the armies, etc..

You can use "Quelling Blade" item to chop trees and make your way or buy a worker and order him to chop trees(workers can crop trees *-*)

you can use this to attack enemy gold mine or try backdoor a tower.

PS: Thanks for testing and comment.

 

[Orcnet]

Anyone to test map again plz?

without any feedback is hard to know what to do =/

Slayer14 just gave you a good feedback right now.

 

[youkaiz]

Yes, but his feedback is from 12 versions ago *-*
I done everything he say

Now i need know the balance of items and what need more?
Change some hero spell?
Add new item?
I forgot something?

 

[Slayer14]

My item BROKE?! BROKE?! After spending about 1k gold on it, it just said "oops, your item BROKE!?!?" Maybe you thought it was a nifty idea at one stage, but it is most definitely NOT. When i tried to make it again, it broke randomly a few more times..

Epic! What a disaster! No one wants to buy an item that costs that much gold to just end up with it 'breaking'.

According to Weyird, I'd say it would be a good idea to either make items where they didn't break, or make it where maybe when the item broke, you received a sort of useless, or 'broken' item, that did absolutely nothing. Then you could take that item to a blacksmith of some sort and get it repaired and restore it to its fully functional counterpart.

Just a little idea I just came up with out of nowhere.

 

[youkaiz]

I fixed now the command to remove item broke chance and reduced default broke chance from 10% to 5%. ^^

I see this thing of itens broke when my friend say his items broke on a MMORPG.
But items only broke if you are updating basic items, recipes and others never broke.

Btw, i will try add something like a blacksmith to repair items.
But if yours can test again, i think now only 5% chance of broke is more fun, is rare to items broke on updates and hold the "afraid" of it broke when you try update it.

I have add too siges and demolithers that give more bountry when killed. Some more gold to help making items.

Edit:
Add a template on decription

 

[Slayer14]

Alright, by request, I've looked at the map again, and I noticed it has an AI in it now. I don't think that was in there before, but if it was, my mistake. AIs are always good for people (like me) who want to play single-player sometimes.

The map's got some nice spells. I played the Mountain King this time. His Storm Bolt ability is nice, you know, with the knockback effect and all.

A slight problem with this map is that the lane in the middle (at least in my opinion) seems a little too small. If you are a melee Hero and there are all of those units blocking the ramp, how are you supposed to get through? I suggest you make that area in the middle a little wider so more units can get through. It is possible to get your Hero through that mess, but it's just really cluttered with all of those units there.

I think some of the recipe items should be a little better. For instance, the Quelling Blade requires a Level 4 Claws of Attack and a Level 4 Trinket of Nobility, correct? It takes 1000 gold to buy the Quelling Blade, which adds 24 damage, 12 stats, and a Tree Chop ability. Well the other two items already give 24 damage and 12 stats, so really all you are getting is a Tree Chop ability and of course you are freeing an inventory space. But that isn't much for 1000 gold.


I'll give you a 4/5 and +rep, which technically didn't improve your rating any, since I gave you a 3.5/5(~4/5) last time, but at least you know you're going in the right direction.

If you need further comments or suggestions on your map, feel free to give me a shout and I'll try to get to you ASAP.

 

[youkaiz]

Ty for testing again *-*
I will add another way or something like this to ppl walk, probabily another ramp near mines.
And i still making spells for heros, i like spells with nice eyecand but they don't have a nice balance and some heros got a bit overpowered.

If anyone know a bad hero or spells that yours think it need to be changed tell me and i will try change it for something better.