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kantarion
kantarion
Y,i saw it. There are warcraft 3 units that have charicature alike phacial phisionomy. Also they got unique faces, that werent projected in hd and high poly versions anywhere in warcraft universe related games.

Reforged didnt hit this charm at all...I warned about this on forums,but when i did it i got banned.

Well, archer design of this amazing artist is not quite fiting for wc3. Acolity is ok,but still i wouldnt go charicature style for acolyite....
Peon is good but it could be better.

I am too lazy to make a list of all units that have this toony charm...

If i would seek perfection i would tell that footman is perfect,just totaly perfect. I would say for ghoul too, but i wish it has a lower jaw more inside. Human peasant , this artist is first dude on earth who hit that face :)
deepstrasz
deepstrasz
Yeah. Same thoughts about the archer. Generally, they're too cartoony though.
Reforged has fast food quality models and animations.
kantarion
kantarion
Anyway...Thise texturing style is not what we used to,its different than wow or hots .... But its more pleasant for the eye than reforged noise

Still, i claim that the main issue with reforged art are designs. Thats the key word Art Designs that came to us with silly non fitting rts proportions and skipping some unique animations....
deepstrasz
deepstrasz
Yeah, Reforged looks bad, blurry bleach.
kantarion
kantarion
And about Reforged texturing job : I am 100% sure that people who got used on traditional handpainting would complain x10 times less if they went toonier substance approach.

Here is example of not consistant art,and reforged is full of it.
Look at the clean and nice texture and its ingame appareance that is stronger than wow or hots .

And then compare it with this dirty,nosiy troll...Not to mention some assets have dust on their clothes,dirt, and pure blackness.

https://imgur.com/sW0YPlN

https://i.imgur.com/oNwBPlD.png
deepstrasz
deepstrasz
What did they do to that poor troll? It looks like it has a skin disease.
kantarion
kantarion
Thats why i am telling you. Faitfull designs + toonier approach in substance like tyrande textures would make us no complain that much.

Reforged models are high poly, and it has its benefits...

Just look this chen,its even zoomed out more than hots one.

Its appareance texturings are amazing, and its beatifull and have more realistic texture than hots or wow but still not dirty and noisy like the troll.

The community survey asked something like this : Half away between realistic and toon (More realistic texture APPARENCE than hots and wow but not super realisitc grainy,dirty,noisy crap APPAREANCE)

I must accent the word Appareance, because hots has stronger handpaint diffuse texture map and reforged have weaker, but still the final TEXTURE APPAREANCE is stronger than hots.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FZA1se0UUik/maxresdefault.jpg

https://wow.zamimg.com/uploads/screenshots/normal/876244.jpg
kantarion
kantarion
I dont want complain about chen,its last model i would complain,but i mention him,so i will use it for my example where reforged failed.
Just being lazy to find a pure and accurate example of failure.

I will have to abuse it meaningfully...

Notice the button areas on his stomach.

Its too small on reforged.

I repeat,chen is awesome model so this was a nitpick.

But there are plenty of models that are good, and their general appareance are destroyed by silly small details that destroy the model, also spamming details too, and ofc bad proportions...

Ok...i found a picture of general bad proportions where reforged failed alot.

https://i.imgur.com/a4GME96.png
kantarion
kantarion
i am amateur and couldnt make perfect demonstration but still i hope you understand what i want to tell...

A good example how you destroy a well design model with silly proportions :

1.Reforged 2.Me 3.Hots

https://i.imgur.com/QqTl1FY.png

Reforged lovers claim reforged proportions are more realistic and more better and hots is dwarfy crap...

So heres my answer...It doesnt have to be any of that.

As you can see armor part fits more natural to my uther version,and its still less size than reforged or hots one.

Just look at the armor size. Small head and thin junky on heroin alike base body proportions make appareance of Armor Bulky.

But in fact mine shoulder pad armor is smaller in real time :)
kantarion
kantarion
deepstrasz
deepstrasz
Chen's textures look good, at least the non-fur/live stuff. Most stuff looks plastic, metallic, even skins. It doesn't really imply realism but more like HD toy soldiers.
Most Reforged models are like very tall people with small heads. The orcs are the worst because they also are on steroids.
kantarion
kantarion
Ye, we use word realistic because we didnt invent yet the word for weirdest proportions of reforged. Not rts proportions,nor realistic proportions like other games, and not like mine uther...

Its something that exist only in reforged.

Anyway its over. Game dont work and art is sealed....Too much community prooven people left or stagnated,went deep silence not being active. Not to mention refunds... GG. The only thing we can do is cry and call this game Rewhine...
deepstrasz
deepstrasz
I've seen another compliment, regurgitated.
kantarion
kantarion
Aahahahah, ye there we come up with funny names. Whole game became just a meme
deepstrasz
deepstrasz
Not even a funny one...
kantarion
kantarion
LOL what the hell is this rofl
deepstrasz
deepstrasz
Jaina, obviously.
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