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What do you believe in then?

I basically just find the study of extremes to be interesting; or as Dan Carlin would put it, "the extremes of the human experience". I guess most of the stuff boils down to history however, my main interest beyond art.

What do I believe in? Politically, I'm most likely socialist of some sort.

Spiritually? Nothing.

Philosophically? All over the place. Anti-natalist ideals, anti-theist ideals, misanthropic ideals, philanthropic ideals, liberal ideals and some "positive Nietzschean" ideals are probably some of the things that sticks out. Generally, I'm just lazy bastard, however.

https://archive.org/details/historyofworld00rale/page/n0

I don't get how you can say philosophy is a thing but religion not; religion itself is a philosophy.
How can you say you are an antinatalist and misanthrope but also a philanthropist!? Are you confused? Why even live then? I suggest you leave everyone with their philosophy and not try to convince people so they'd do bad things. I mean, basically, those ideals mean humanity should cease to exist.

What keeps you going then, instincts?

I am as scattered brained and full of contradictions as most people. I should've pointed out that by ideals, I didn't mean that I fully embrace the entirety of the ideology. Rather, I share commonalities and parts of these ideals.

Regarding anti-natalism, misanthropy and philanthropy:
- I do fully believe that humanity is something wicked and something that the universe most likely would be better off without and I do have a general disdain or suspicion of most people (generally misanthropic).

But that doesn't mean that I'd ever try to wilfully destroy us; I consider suffering the most foul thing we bring out as a species. Rather, I believe the only "noble" goal we open to us is to bring less suffering into the world.

How you do this varies and I'm not in full agreeal with everything. An example of this would be 'Free Speech' (generally a liberal ideal) versus 'Hate Speech'. I have never and will never accept that these two ideals can work together.

Free Speech protects everyone, even the foul and distasteful. But as long as it isn't an incitement of violence, threat of violence or something along those lines, I would never try to take away someone’s right to speak, no matter how much I hate what they're spouting.

But Hate Speech Laws is in fact away to shelter people for suffering (anti-natalistic and philanthropic ideal in general), but the liberal in me quickly denies the importance of it, as I value the right to speak your mind a heck of a lot more than I value peoples suffering.

Again, I’m full of contradictions. We all are

On religion/spirituality:
Religion is more than just philosophy. It's a way of life, a worldview, a philosophy, a cultural denominator and a set of rules and laws. Probably a whole lot more than just that.

Just calling it a philosophy isn't enough, it's more than just that.

On: "Why even live then?"
- I don't believe life has any meaning whatsoever. But unlike edgy teenagers, I don't believe that means that we should give up and commit suicide.

Far from it. In contrast to most "nihilists", I do believe that we can find purpose in pointlessness, but I do not believe for a second that it's a "universal purpose" for all of us.

But I do believe that you can make the time you have valuable for you personally. And that's the thing people should strive for, personally gratification. To make themselves as content - with the time they have - as possible.

Of course, if your satisfaction comes from causing pain and suffering, I'll have an direct issue with you as you're directly causing more suffering.

But as long as your goals and happiness doesn't stem from others suffering, you're most likely on the right track in my opinion.

I want to point this while we're at it:
- You're basically asking me to write down my worldview on a freaking message board/forum. It's going to be clunky, probably riddled with holes and inconsistencies

And regarding the main point of anti-natalism; the assigned negativity to birth:
- I generally agree. Birth is, from my point of view, a negative thing in general. It mostly stem from the fact that you can never ask "life", before you force it into the world, if it actually wishes to be here.

I generally consider it a deeply egocentric action. It's for you personally, with no regards for the life you're forcing into existence.

However, can I be turned around? Of course! I'm not condemning all parents of being egocentric dirtbags, only thinking about themselves.

But if you can't make sure that your offspring suffers to minimal degree, I'll think badly of you. You forced this "life" into being, it's your damn responsibility to take good care of it.

And remember, "suffering", in my mind is a floaty, hard to grasp subject and I'm not even sure I can pinpoint exactly what I mean by it.

That's enough for today.

Well that's an interesting read.

What interests me most, Arowanna, is: how "popular" do you think your views in life are in your area, as in how often do would people think similarly about such subjects? Of course you won't know exactly and methodologically, but you may have a grasp of it.

Also I was expecting some sort of reply from @deepstrasz with his views at the end - come on man.
Jk, you know you don't have to. But c'mon :P

It continued in private

How popular are my views in my area? About as popular as socialism in the USA? I.e. not very? xD

I've met a couple of people over the years that share some of these views, but we often diverge at certain questions. However, if I were to guess, my worldview would end up in most peoples, stereotypical, "Nihilist Camp"; a childish/teenage view of the world, something to laugh at and doesn't belong in a serious debate.

But USA is all about socialism, at least up until D-Trump.
I doubt such views are even globally spread to more than a hundred maybe (far fetched) thousand people since most peoples, as we all are animals, love life.
And yeah, even in private the conversation ended because of non-continuity reasons.

Praised be the trolls:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-08/indian-man-suing-his-parents-for-giving-birth-to-him/10795690

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/life-style/relationships/love-sex/what-is-antinatalism-and-why-raphael-samuel-of-mumbai-is-suing-his-parents-for-giving-birth-to-him/articleshow/67882775.cms

Even little Phil had a laugh about it: https://youtu.be/PVIEcaXTWjI?t=298

Despite the troll-like nature of the guy, this is a message I can approve of.

Is that even a real beard?
Dementia kicking in.

Dementia? I'd rather go with enlightenment!

And of course the beard is fake, lol. I love the dedication of this trollmeister tho.

Uncontrollable laughter: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMKfXN_Y1PbOdPYNZtuQYzQ/videos

If we mean dementia in the Ancient Greek way; i.e. "madness".