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Not providing adequate, available care to your child has been against the law even then. That vaccines didn't exist didn't mean that you shouldn't treat your kids with what was available, when it was available.

Funny thing is, what's the borderline of freedom of everything in such cases? Vaccines>Orthodox God?

Darn, I can't find an article about something like that you've just posted where there were so many to counterargument with the law states that they have no right to refuse baking such a cake. Again, the question: what/where is the borderline of freedom for everyone?

You don't have a freedom to neglect children.

Vaccines are mandated by law in a lot of countries, and also proven to work efficiently and effectively beyond any shadow of a doubt, by science. If this is something that is known in a society, and you decide to disregard that because of your "freedoms", then you, simply put, do not belong in that society.

So yeah, law + science > religion, any day.

Freedom ends when you harm others. That's why jails exist, that's why services exist, that take children from parents unable/unwilling to take care of them.

Actually never mind, the article you linked has even more comments.

So, the law is greater than God.

Also, you realize this leads to law abuse, things like in the northern Germanic countries where your child is taken for what you've just mentioned, not because you don't vaccinate the kid but because you gave it a little spank for being naughty.

As for the bakery, I think that a non-essential privately owned business doesn't need to conform to the wants of every potential customer. I am very much against acts that force non-essential privately owned business to operate in ways that they do not see fit.

This is different with things that are essential, like pharmacies, which must under no circumstance discriminate, because it will bring actual harm. The bakery story literally boils down to "you don't want to make a lesbian cake?! OUTRAGEOUS! I WILL SHOOT LAW UP YOUR ASS".

So while that law is in place, I guess they're right to do so, but I think that the law itself is really stupid per se. We have mandatory vaccination laws in my country for a good reason. Mandatory "bake a cake for lesbians" law sounds stupid.

Laws have flaws, of course, but they are invariably better than conjectures several millennia old, and opinions of people who believe in them.

of course but see, religion is bad, it gets in the way of many things, so without it we'll be living a futuristic neo-Babel utopia.

Not all laws are brought on proper scientific basis, this also needs to be noted, though, which is why I said law + science, and not law per se.

And religion isn't the source of problems, it is the consequence of them. Or not even religion, more so faith-based ideology of any sort.

Ah, missed it by reading too fast

Don't be that way with your family. It's tad extreme.