MasterHaosis

Sorry I didn't reply. Had no Internet yesterday.

And yes. Blizzard now doesn't know it's own lore since the previous creators have been changed and now new people who haven't even taken the time to analyze the story are writing bullshit. Example? Diablo 3's crappy lore, WoW's Lore, I won't go on. Grom, the character who they previously depicted as a defender of his clan, ready to sacrifice for the good of his people, stupid but good at heart for his own kind, betrays his wife in one crappy cinematic saying she wasn't strong enough. Although he valued strength he never would have done such a thing. Blizzard has turned into a money grabbing shit company that produces shit products and yea, they do not know their own lore, I thought it was obvious.
I know it better, not perfect, but better, since I took the time to understand what the previous creators meant to say with their product, analyzed it and so on. The new ones we can obviously see do not even know what the fuck diablo is and created the bullshit league of legends style diablo 3.
In fact, a lot of people would agree with me, it's different than your jail example. People who actually know what I'm talking about with Diablo 2 vs Diablo 3. Also, if the jailed man was actually right, some would see that and he would be unfairly imprisoned.
Oh no no no, his Betrayed title is not the problem here. It was put in during Warcraft lore and it made sense, since he didn't claim himself the Betrayer. He actually says in one cinematic that "Betrayer... in truth, it is I who was betrayed". I am not complaining against his title put on him by Malfurion perhaps, I am complaining about WoW lore because it contradicts warcraft 3 lore. It wasn't written by the same people.
I never wanted to change his Betrayer title I just agree with Illidan on this one about his title. It is like being known for being a nerd when in truth you're a cool guy (a real life example of a title gone wrong).
Exactly! I chose not to follow Blizzard's story after Warcraft 3, their epic fall following WoW, Diablo 3, the new Moba shit, acting like copycats, etc. etc. Now I'm not saying WoW (to WOTLK) was a bad game, just that storywise it was.
Oh no no, I am in truth saying to ignore ALL of the characters' lores after Warcraft 3. Think of Thrall who turned into some lazy prick who just storms shit, think of Grom who is now a pig, think of Illidan, think of Kael'Thas who turned evil to be a boss and so on.
Regarding the gate, it is gameplay, we already argued here, gameplay is allowed to have "plotholes" since it's gameplay, not story. I mean, in the near future I hope more games will get accurate gameplay's to story but for now, we have to ignore it because it would be impossible to make these two truly coherent. As I said, every game I've known has gameplay to story incoherence, it is inevitable. While this killing off the demons problem could have been fixed, it's not that much of a big issue so it's ignorable, I'll say. Also, probably only lesser demons are still connected to the gates, or probably only these Demons were connected to the gate, for some unknown to the player reason. As I said, WAVES. Think of waves invasions, there is no better example, it is in EVERY fucking RTS and it is inevitable for now. Otherwise the mission would be very short and boring. Sure, it would be coherent with the story (if there was only but 1 wave or so) but it would be boring. And gameplay is about the player experiencing fun not from story, but from GAMEPLAY. So killing off all the demons was the better way for the player to experience fun. For you, it probably pissed you off since you want full coherence between story and gameplay, but as I told you, every game is like that and I just don't know how you handle all these games with gameplayplotholes.

Ok, it seems we agree here on this thing - it is my private story. Yes it is! But a very similar private story is true for many other players. Why? Because WoW lore sucks ass! Many choose to ignore it, I am only trying to convince you to ignore it as well. Ok remember how Disney made Star Wars the Old Republic non canon? In the hearts of all SW fans it is still canon. No matter what Disney says. If SW7 has Mickey Mouse as Darth Sidious in it (I actually have high hopes not saying it will) everyone will ignore it right? No one will accept it as the truth. There is a point when a product is no longer owned by the owner as much as it is by the fans. If you choose to accept WoW lore then that is why we argue. I am merely trying to convince you to reject it, like so many have. Besides, the product wasn't created by the Blizzard today, it was created by the old Blizzard, so even the owner is different! The fact that he owns the product means nothing to me!

It's probably a combination of SPACE MAGIC and LASERS.

I wouldn't say I deserved the vacation. I actually wouldn't mind working a bit more

And no, we're both from Denmark, but me being half french and her being francophile
And yeah, same as you, the weather is incredibly hot. I can hardly wear a t-shirt for 5 minutes without sweating insanely!
But 2-3 days a weeks is more than what I see my girlfriend. I do kind of envy you!

And I'm happy for that too mate!
I hope you'll have a fantastic summer with less heat than what you've got now

I JUST saw the email feature Please ignore my babbling

I was hoping you could just send it to the email which he used to register his account? I assume as a moderator you can see it?

Could you throw ENAleksey an email, tell him I've responded to his PM. It's been a while since he wrote, and I want to make sure he gets the help he needs.

ohhai

uhh...

I'm fine mate, I'm on vacation at the moment, so really nothing is happening. Girlfriend going to France for 5 weeks, so I'm just looking forward to relax, party and have a nice time

But what about you!?

Whew,its busy..about the campus.I must study harder these days.

Hehehe
Well, I don't know, but I guess that Ghostlands!
And you?

neka hvala, taj bi dobio batine of prvih bambula na koje naidje

MasterHaosis,

i haven't touched any related stuff with Warcraft for the last 2 weeks. I'm in a very lazy mode. I have a map that i completed and i'm too lazy to upload it. I want to make a gameplay video but i'm feeling too lazy to do anything.

LOL Stalker LOL
More or less hehe

nznm .u.

i'm good bro and u?

Read first post first >

Oh come on Haosis, all RTS games (even the ones you mentioned) aren't coherent. Think of the wave missions. Also, MK doesn't have much story, so we cannot count that in. Try Mass Effect. It probably has some minuses. Like, "Uhm why did the Reaper shoot at me in a certain way of shooting and not just hit me?" or "uhm, why can't the bad guys just snipe my head?" or "why are these NPCs so dumb and come on waves? They could just slay me if they all come together". Yea. The perfect example is "Waves" - a thing found in many games. It means total incoherence between story and gameplay. Also, numbers. RTS games always have them less. Also, time. All games have incoherence between how much time should have passed and how much has actually passed in the game (but I think Witcher 3 might get close to it's supposed time ). It's just the way it is. Don't get so mad about it. I don't think Warcraft is any more or any less incoherent here. It was just as possible to kill Magtheridon or Mannoroth as it was possible to fight Saren in ME1 (I will not get into further details in case you haven't played Mass Effect. Oh and, you should. SHOOOOULD).

Also, Illidan is not Betrayer, he is Betrayed. He was betrayed by his brother who claimed that actually it was Illidan who was the traitor, thus being given the name Betrayer. Betrayer of the Night elf race, etc. But in fact, Malfurion betrayed him, his own brother and left him for dead in prison and afterwards banished him. Even if my brother made some serious mistakes, I would probably know him well enough to know he didn't mean to do that and try to help him instead of fuck him up even more. Furion is the real traitor here.
Also, creating a new well of eternity wasn't his "betrayal" as Heroes of the Storm (Blizzard) has written who don't know their own lore - his betrayal act was in fact that he helped Sargeras to enter through the first Well of Eternity. Creating a second one wasn't bad at all, wasn't good either though. Furion saw it (the creation of the second one) as an act of betrayal, but he was supposedly put in prison for his first failure - helping Sargeras. The second well hasn't done anything wrong, he did it in order to preserve the well (and furion was a well hater as I said earlier so he was 100% against that. But the Night elf race or the Highborne weren't that much against wells. They used them for immortality, duh.).

Yes I know that they removed the Illidan vs Arthas cinematic due to lack of time but come on, if you are 100% game stats defender, Grom has no spell to sac himself to kill someone. And besides, he did not sacrifice himself, he just died afterwards because he had drank of Mannoroth's blood and killing Mannoroth led to his death. It was lifelike logical but not gamelike logical. Same goes for Illidan vs Magtheridon. Imagine it storywise being a real fight where there is no such thing as stats or damage. And that Illidan probably evaded most of his attack (lets not forget 25% evasion, imagine each proking if you soo much want it to be gamewise correct) and that Mag never even hit him with his 99999k dmg.

Now Haos, killing demons with an axe is possible. It was never ever said that you need holy water or such shit. For our demons in real world (in mythology n shit) yes. But TBL can be killed with just about anything. Remember the first wars, etc. They are just too large in numbers. Doesn't mean they can't die. Infernal? Doom guard? All can be killed with axes, Mannoroth is no exception.

Cleaving attack in reality isn't splash it just means that he can hit more than 1 enemies. If his enemies are smarter than him, they would split/evade/dodge his kinda blind attacks and easily escape, thus him having no cleave at all.

But ok, lets not view it in reality. Then why view it in game mechanics? Because as I said, no fight would be possible if you view it in game mechanics. On every fucking hold mission the enemies come on waves. It is similar to the Draenei killing Demons one by one you complained about - they would just all jump at them at once and kill them. Also, Grom and Thrall killing Mannoroth - in no way possible. Mannoroth would just call down infernals or just kill them with his chaos dmg, etc. etc.
So do not look at game stats either.

Ok so you look at story and gameplay combined (as I read now), but think of it - did you manage to hold the waves in Kel'Thuzad's mission? Did you manage to kill Magtheridon? All yeses? So yea, it IS possible. You say it isn't, but you managed to pass the levels right?

(technically it doesn't take days, because that would mean that everything in the Warcraft world moves 10 times slower than us or has 10 times faster days than ours, but only the 1st would be a solution since the second would still mean it would need to take days, just that they will be more. Also, no fights are led by 10-16 units, these aren't bandit groups. All of the naga are like, what 80? Yea my ass. So you say demons should have crushed Nagas, Draenei and Blood Elves, but don't look at the games numbers. The numbers of the armies were probably a lot bigger, that camp of draenei wasn't made of 4 people, it was probably a loooot more. Also, demons in Outland are few compared to the real TBL. I think it's very possible that 3 armies would manage to win against so few demons. After all, Outland isn't the main location of the demons from TBL (they are from another world, and came to outland to hunt draenei I think) and after all, not all demons on Outland fought because that would be simply impossible to move them from all continents. Illidan's armies came combined, thus crushing demons one by one while they were regrouping. Now that's a lot of distance we're talking about, they simply couldn't get there in time to gather (think of all the continents with wild beasts everywhere and imagine all the demons gathering to Magtheridon ---> yea... not gonna happen quickly).
If you really love Magtheridon so much you can say he should have won but even though I really think Illidan would beat Arthas on a 1v1, in that fight he simply couldn't have. Same goes for Mag prob.. he was just caught unprepared. He was never even attacked before, and by 3 armies..

ma on verovatno nije ni imao pojma sta pise <.<

I'm fine. How are you?

you remembered me

novi ljudi = mladi ljudi = verovatno jos neznaju nista.. opeci ce se na nesto, sigurno

Ah damn this suppsoed to be in morbent's profile

No, his powers were strictly against demons or something (which I found kind of illogical, that Sargeras would give him such powers). But I think the powers were more like understanding demons, being one of them, thus seeing them in all shapes and forms, etc. etc., but also knowing their weaknesses and so on. So probably Sargeras meant to give it to Illidan to make him become a better demon but instead he used that knowledge against demons.

That is completely not true.
Magtheridon has 104-114+5 damage, 15 Armor, 4600 hit points and 750 mana.
His abilities are Frost Nova, Howl of Terror, Rainf of Chaos (Archimonde), Cleaving Attack. As well unit abilities: True Sight, Finger of Pain, Shockwave, Frenzy, War Stomp, Bash, Hardened Skin.
Items he has are: Orb of Fire, Khagdar's Gem of Health, Pendant of Mana, Runed Bracers, Potion of Greater Healing, Legion of Doom-Horn.

Oo man we already talked about this it is almost completely irrelevant! Think of Mannoroth, the most op pit lord ever, one of the prime demons ruling there. And he got 1 hitted by Grom! Don't think of stats, think of logic. If you get hit in the head with an axe you die. That's what happened. In gameplay it would have been something like 10000 hits. Real fights aren't stats. Imagine that Illidan knew the weakness of pit lords or something and just stabbed him, or that he didn't but just got lucky? Pit lords are pretty slow. Fat, and with a lot of dmg, but slow. Speed is often very important in combat. Knights in Medieval times were pretty OP (1 hit dmg, lots of armor) but often lost due to lack of speed. So speed is OP in real world.

If you really want to look at game stats, nothing beats Naga Royal Guard. Myrmidon is very OP and the murlocs we won't count since they aren't true naga. And Sirens are good spellcasters - on a 1v1 they lose but so do sorceresses against other units. They are strong in fights. Also, Naga Royal Guard has OP shit spells. But yea if we count in Infernals and Doom Guards TBL prob wins here. Depends on count too. Of the units.

But ok gameplaywise you are correct. Still, I think you should look at it more from a story view rather than game view. If you really want to look at the game gameplaywise, then all missions are shit. Think of Kel'Thuzad holding - why did they come on waves? Or wait a second, why did all units come on waves during many missions? Also, why do all fights end within 2 hours of gameplay? Why not days, probably even years as it should be?
I don't know man. You are right of course, but I just see no reason to judge the game from this point of view, because... well if these things piss you off then probably 99% of all games will not have a coherent story to gameplay. Why does the player sometimes lose the boss fight, if he, storywise, has to always win for example? It is a similar case. Or, why can the player move his character in circles like a retard even though it would be illogical for a serious character to do so? All games have these.. game-story holes, is what I'm trying to say. Until we learn how to make lifelike games I think we should try to ignore them. Mind them of course to try and fix them when possible, but not let them reduce the fun out of the content we receive/make (if game developing).

Nah, not really a big project. A personal project by my friend and me
I'm also trying to find out how to billboard gunshot flashes like the Marine have.

uvek ima 'ekcentrici', posebno u 'something else'

At least you get to stay home I guess? Must be quite hot... Well at least your girlfriend is with you as well so it doesn't suck too bad right?

Yes perhaps there it was kind of a mistake on Blizzard's side, but I'll say, a forgivable one since it didn't really matter to me much at the moment. Besides, they were equal then, remember? So they both just gave up. I think that Blizzard was trying to point to us their equal strength, with Illidan gaining favor over time but ultimately Arthas gaining the upper hand by merging with Ner'Zhul (before taking the armors, when NZ was channeling his power into him at the Frozen Throne) and as I mentioned before, the tired Illidan in snow, who actually feels and freezes, unlike Arthas. And tires. Arthas became even more undead after the "childish fight", in which he actually got tired since he was still human. And of course lets not forget undead > human, usually.

Now about Magtheridon, lets not forget Illidan was a demon hunter, granted the power of seeing all demons, being half demon himself (Gul'Dan), having gotten powers directly from Sargeras himself, the ultra god! Unlike Mag who was just a fag demon who probably never even met Sargeras. He was a pretty small pit lord, the winner, I think, was obvious in that fight. Oh, and draenei were able to hold so far, with some allies they could also probably fight back? And Naga? Op shit creatures, stronger than demons. Kael'Thas? His army was shit but he himself was pretty powerful. Vashj?
That is my argument about strength. About stealth, I think I can agree here, but probably draenei developed some kind of other stealth, don't put it in such gameplay mechanics. It isn't either he's stealthed or not. It's more complex, we just don't get to see it. There are so many ways to stealth, even in our life, imagine a world of magic. Draenei probably really could hide from demons, somehow, since that is what they had been training for, escape, survival. I am sure they had their ways. There are probably hundreds of types of magics of stealth and true sight doesn't work like in the game, you just see the transparent unit - it's probably something like increasing your smell instincts, or hearing ones, or seeing ghosts, etc. etc. Of course, I am not trying to defend the fact that they didn't explain it, but merely providing an explanation for those who need it, in that case, you, since you question that. You can accept that it is a mistake or try to bend it somehow to your appeal, to get more out of the product you're given. Unexplained things can be interpreted to your liking. In that case, I always choose in favor of a good product and just expand the idea of stealth in my mind which was never touched in Warcraft's lore.
Although I cannot interpret the fact that it was a frontal assault which pretty much sucked, but hey, at least I got something to defend the stealth theory. You could say I am unhappy from this lack of strategics in an RTS game, yes it could have been done better. I agree. There are many holes I do not like about Star Wars for example, but I love it so much that I somehow manage to ignore what wasn't as obvious and to mod some not well told things to my liking. What I get really pissed about are stuff like a crappy scene which I just cannot change. But stuff like - did Dooku actually have some ideological good ideas for the world and was just against the Republic for their crappy rule and laws n shit, but on the way of "fixing the world" he just crapped it up more? One can never know, it hasn't been truly explained. I can now choose - do I think of him as that character or the dull villain who just destroys for no purpose? Well, as I said, choose to your liking. It isn't like ignoring something that's a fact, that would be if I tried to somehow justify Palpatine's actions, since HE is the generic evil villain, one cannot argue here. Yea... so, I went deep into this to further my point on Illidan. His character was never truly revealed (ignoring WoW here) so I decided I can take things into my own hands and make him the character I always wanted him to be. It's not like I'm right, but neither am I wrong, right? Like, we argued about this - you think of him as an evil dude, I think of him as an antihero... but we both have no real facts to back our theories. Can we see good in his actions? Yes. Can we see evil in his actions? Yes. Can we be sure that he actually meant to do these evil actions? No. Can we be sure that he means to do good but just fails every time? No. Etc. etc. I talk too much, you probably got my point 200 sentences ago xD

Wait, I didn't repped you, I thought the name + smile is to thanks for repping ?

I usually mix tiles from different tilesets. I won't decide what I'll use or what I'll make until the contest starts, though, because planning is a significant part of the time it takes to create something, and I don't want to give myself a headstart.

sto mi pa njega pominjes?

Ohai!

Master Haosis,

You have any problem with me?

It is over.

Pravi vidovit.. registruj se na nasem sajtu ako igras war3.. tamo organizujemo gejmove a ima nas par iz srb

Nah, nothing new here

Hi,MasterHaosis!
How are you?

Good, how about you?

Nah. Waiting for him to accept before I even do any planning related to it,

MasterHaosis, =)

Haosis!

MasterHaosis,

Heyy man How'd ya doing? Great job on passing the exam!

MasterHaosis,

I ended up in lurking mode after a lot of people I would chat with started dropping out.

Hahaha!, perhaps.
But I will try to point out to you that gameplay is never really coherent with story. Imagine it how in the story he didn't actually take them 1 by 1 but sneaked in somehow or something, but in the game it was made to be 1 by 1 so that you have more creeps to fight. Not just straight of to the boss. Or he could have found a secret tunnel passage beneath the dark temple, etc. etc. that you didn't actually get to see in the game because that would mean a lack of fighting and challenge. Try to ignore the plot holes in gameplay, I mean, yea I know it shouldn't have been like that, but this is an RTS, not an RPG, they are pretty limited to have more RTS gameplay, since that is what the game is. They cannot change cameras and gameplay because they need it at some point in the story. So they just go along with that gameplay, that requires mobs. And put in some mobs in every part of the story to fight with.
Also I am pretty sure they wanted Arthas to win cuz that was his moment, and the idea was for the Scourge to win, it was obvious from the start, it would be pretty fail if they just started rising and failed, and also Ner'Zhul to become the True Lich King with an army and body and Illidan to fail (cuz he always does) and The Burning Legion to fail (cuz it was about damn time) and to see how Humans failed (with Arthas) and to have a new faction - The Scourge. I am unsure whether Illidan would have taken Ner'Zhul's power because he wasn't mind controlled and basically taking it would mean losing his own mind so he would have destroyed it (also to be let alone by KJ at last) meaning that the Scourge would be gone which would be pretty lame. The other option would be that he takes the power in order to be able to face KJ but that would make no sense since he would have a new master now - instead of KJ - Ner'Zhul. Who would control him even easier, so I doubt that would be his choice if he had won.

go to this link

www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/off-topic-478/psychology-263678/index4.html

we will start there.

isn't that a little mean