Hero Contest #4 - Animalistic Nature

[Bannar]

One of reasons that Integer A sucks (sorry, thats truth):
- it's default war3 global integer variable and if used within loops and differend functions can cause bugs, or ruin given instance.
Why? Because if you do so, functions share the same global, changing it's value dynamicaly thus, given loops/whatever can end/mess instances that it is currently executing, or cause other wierd things that shouldn't have happened. It's esspecialy unsave if you want to make MUI spells - one index change - ruins whole spell.

 

[Magtheridon96]

One of reasons that Integer A sucks (sorry, thats truth):
- it's default war3 global integer variable and if used within loops and differend functions can cause bugs, or ruin given instance.
Why? Because if you do so, functions share the same global, changing it's value dynamicaly thus, given loops/whatever can end/mess instances that it is currently executing, or cause other wierd things that shouldn't have happened. It's esspecialy unsave if you want to make MUI spells - one index change - ruins whole spell

Thanks for that Spinnaker

what an argument!

Dude, everything that Spinnaker just posted is what you should already know..
I didn't need an argument when anything I was going to tell you is common knowledge..


The thing is, using a global as a loop index is bizzare..

 

[HappyCockroach]

Dude, everything that Spinnaker just posted is what you should already know..
I didn't need an argument when anything I was going to tell you is common knowledge..

you're wrong.
- first, im more of a modelfag so this isn't in my field of knowledge.
- second, you will judge, so it should be in your common knowledge that you should justify your judgements.
- and as a thinking individual, that I assume you are, you should know that the only way to justify something is with logical arguments.

The thing is, using a global as a loop index is bizzare..

something quite like this would've worked...
(you could still mention why does it come to be bizarre, saying that the global value might be changed in the process by other function in conflict and cause errors... as Spinnaker did)

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Used correctly Integer A causes no problems. Like my Motto Simplicity is my Specialty, i keep it simple, and when its simple integer A likes to follow the rules =)

 

[Ignitedstar]

- and as a thinking individual, that I assume you are, you should know that the only way to justify something is with logical arguments.

Becareful with that word. Especially when using it in the way you are using it. There are three types of arguments. Having all three is the best argument. Just having one is a poor argument.

 

[Magtheridon96]

you're wrong.
- first, im more of a modelfag so this isn't in my field of knowledge.
- second, you will judge, so it should be in your common knowledge that you should justify your judgements.
- and as a thinking individual, that I assume you are, you should know that the only way to justify something is with logical arguments.

Well, I wasn't trying to prove or justify anything :/

modelfag

 

[Garfield1337]

Using Integer A (or B) isn't wrong. They will never conflict unless you put a wait function inside the loop which is bad.

 

[Pharaoh_]

InfinateAnswers, I will reply here, since I don't want to double post on the other thread.
a) Don't make a check every 0.03 seconds to see whether a unit has learned an ability. Use the event "Unit - A unit learns a skill", Conditions: Hero learned skill equal to X

b) You are using a trigger that removes the dummy once it casts the ability (Bloodlust), that's why it didn't work. Delete that trigger (Fury Dummy one) and use this expiration action in the Fury trigger:

• Actions
  • Set Fury_Unit = (Killing unit)
  • Set Fury_Point = (Position of (Killing unit))
  • Unit - Create 1 Fury Dummy for (Owner of Fury_Unit) at Fury_Point facing Default building facing degrees
  • Set Fury_Dummy = (Last created unit)
  • Custom script: call IssueTargetOrder(udg_Fury_Dummy, "bloodlust", udg_Fury_Unit)
  • Unit - Add a 2.00 second Generic expiration timer to Fury_Dummy
  • Custom script: call RemoveLocation(udg_Fury_Point)

P.S.: Re-enable the VM, please. I am tired of this.

 

[Bannar]

Used correctly Integer A causes no problems. Like my Motto Simplicity is my Specialty, i keep it simple, and when its simple integer A likes to follow the rules =)

Thats great that you are making 1 spell maps! Hope you know what I meant.

@HappyCockroach
Be Happy

@Magtheridon96
Be Maggy

And guys please don't argue more, it's pointless. I would said the same, looking on Happy's accont you could never tell that he doesn't know why Integer A isn't save, although it's always nice to explain that further especially if it's someone like Maggy who runs through vjass.

@Garfield1337 It can bug if you got few triggers that run on the same event.

 

[Magtheridon96]

@Magtheridon96
Be Maggy

Even Nestharus calls me Maggy sometimes ^^

Sorry HC I should've explained why Integer A was bad before 'almost'-flaming you :/

Oh and Integer A can also when you use ExecuteFunc on a function that also uses Integer A

edit
Listen guys, you have 26 hours left, so here's some advice that might help you with the "Balance" field.
To make sure your hero is balanced, try using him in a melee map and see how easy/hard it is to win/lose
To do that, you'd have to edit an existing hero, but that shouldn't be much of a problem (Considering it's mostly CnP)

And one question:
Is anyone here using cJass?

 

[Garfield1337]

@Garfield1337 It can bug if you got few triggers that run on the same event.

No, they'll run 1 by 1 so there won't be conflict. According to DSG, Wc3 is single threaded so no actions may happen at the same time.

 

[HappyCockroach]

didn't mean to hostilize the issue.

nevertheless, as it seems there are ways to use the integer A in a bugfree way, so turns out that discounting is invalid in these situations.

 

[InfinateAnswers]

things like that get a bad rep, its like hash tables, they are useful but most people hate them. W/E ill change the integer A then.

Oh and thanks Pharaoh, im done with this hero and im not going to open Weditor for a few weeks.... its been giving me a headache so now just awaiting the judging and poll

 

[hayatesasaki]

HELLZ YEAH! XD I have the COOLEST idea! Has nothing to do with transforming or werewolves or any animals you can think of XD COUNT ME IN!

 

[Ignitedstar]

Umm, I think the contest ends tomorrow night. It's kinda late to enter. xD

 

[Orcnet]

Update:
- Enabled Map visibility to reveal the map template
- Moved "Cenarius" in a specific position
- Added Triggers:
[-reset] for mana and skill cooldown
[-reset2] dropping a "Tome of Retraining" in front of the hero to reveal skill speculations and skill tooltip descriptions
- Fixed Grammar in "Gloom" Description
- Added Instructions in the Loading Screen

 

[Adiktuz]

On the IntA matter, I actually had some problems before with successive integer A loops... the trigger bugged but when I changed one of the IntA into a custom one, the trigger worked... haha...

Oh, Maggy will judge, nice! and good luck to all... (I'm a bit frustrated that I wasn't able to join...)

Just a question, Am I qualified to be a judge? If yes, I would like to try judging this one... ^_^

 

[Champara Bros]

the leaks are bad thing. I once created a trigger with periodic event with leaks that caused my computer to lag. But Casting unit function is there for a reason. in campaign blizzard uses this option too. i know it leaks, but that leak is only one handle which leaks. on the other hand creating globals would slow map load exactly like one handle would. The one handle like casting unit is just one number. even calculator would have no problem with that. So clearing all those "leaks" would not improve map quality. Also handles like casting unit are rewritten every time unit triggers an event so it is just a symptom of O.C.D. to clear all leaks. And for the Integer A it is very simple function which does not leak, desync or causes problems when used properly. I have never had problem with using constant integers and neither did anyone who has clear sense of triggering and programming. I have made all my spells with GUI and JASS and they are MUI and leakless(by any normal standards). I utilized handels Casting unit and Targeted unit of ability being cast. Those "leaks" could not possibly cause lags and leakless is all about avoiding lags. I saw that coding section said "Coding: Is the hero bug and lag free? How well was the coding executed ?" So I would ask judges to act according to rules and to remember that this is not a spell contest.

 

[Champara Bros]

On the IntA matter, I actually had some problems before with successive integer A loops... the trigger bugged but when I changed one of the IntA into a custom one, the trigger worked... haha...

Tell please for the sake of this site why did you comment that ?
Your trigger was not working. Many other triggers do. that is not the reason to torture us participants for slightly POSSIBLE problems. I say if it does not cause lags(on anything that is worthy of being called computer) and if it works then 10 points.

P.S. sorry for double post.

 

[Bugz]

P.S. sorry for double post.

Just edit it, and delete message and post it again , basicly works same way

 

[Orcnet]

Am I qualified to be a judge?

yes! and pharaoh will approve

 

[Pharaoh_]

On the IntA matter, I actually had some problems before with successive integer A loops... the trigger bugged but when I changed one of the IntA into a custom one, the trigger worked... haha...

Oh, Maggy will judge, nice! and good luck to all... (I'm a bit frustrated that I wasn't able to join...)

Just a question, Am I qualified to be a judge? If yes, I would like to try judging this one... ^_^

Confirmed.

 

[Freyleyes]

This is my final entry :

Garruk

Primeval Hunter

Abilities

Charge

The Primeval Hunter charges towards a target enemy unit, stunning it on impact and damaging it.

Level 1 - Stuns the unit for 2 seconds and deals 100 damage.
Level 2 - Stuns the unit for 4 seconds and deals 200 damage.
Level 3 - Stuns the unit for 6 seconds and deals 300 damage.

Causes a Heavy hit if the Primeval Hunter has rage counters.

Heavy Hit reduces a targets armor by 2 points for every rage counter, lasts for 6 seconds.

A visious swipe that strikes all enemies infront of the Primeval Hunter.

Level 1 - Deals 100 damage.
Level 2 - Deals 200 damage.
Level 3 - Deals 300 damage.

Consumes all rage counters to apply an enrage power, causing the Primeval Hunters attacks to hit all nearby targets for the next 5 seconds.

Cleave attacks deals 20% of normal damage per rage counter consumed.

Each attack has a chance to aqumilate a rage counter. Rage counters are used to increase the effect of the heroes abilities.

Rage counters lasts for 10 seconds and stacks up to 5 counters.

Level 1 - 20% Chance.
Level 2 - 40% Chance.
Level 3 - 60% Chance.

Adds 10% increased damage and 1 armor for each rage counter.

Unleashes the power of the beast. While in Beast form the Primeval Hunter always gains 5 rage counters when Heart of Rage procs and has a 2x critical multiplier.

Consumes all rage counters to increase the damage of nearby friendly units by 5 points, armor by 1 and live regeniration by 0.2 for each rage counter consumed.

Lasts 10 seconds.

 

[Ketsuno Anson]

Tis hero too OP!

 

[Brambleclaw]

Ket has a point with a 60% chance of getting a range counter after 10 attacks u will have 5. Using ur abillity thats 1hp Regen 25 dmg and 5 armour increase. Now sorry but surely if i just spammed peons then used his abil. I would have 100 peons hitting 32 dmg. o.o coup that with the speed item - scroll of speed. I would have an imba army of the workers

%Would be better as its relative

Otherwise looks good
Apart from the 300 dmg to al;l units infront o fhero. Should be nerfed to become more like the carrion swarm stats or shockwave max 250

Also a 6 second stun is stupid o.o

 

[Champara Bros]

very imba hero with surreal abilities, but Idea is very good. Rage is too much utilized as a factor of animal instincts. Animals are not psycho monsters who joined the dark side of the force.

 

[Zeatherann]

So, if your hero was just major object editor work you'd get a 10/10 for coding as it's done with as little code as possible (none) which makes it very clean (in fact nearly non-existent) and is certainly leak-free.

 

[Bugz]

I think you would get 0... since its object editor and not your coding, so it cant be judged

 

[Pharaoh_]

So, if your hero was just major object editor work you'd get a 10/10 for coding as it's done with as little code as possible (none) which makes it very clean (in fact nearly non-existent) and is certainly leak-free.

I mentioned it here

This is a rule from an older Hero Contest:


Entries with zero coding will neither get disqualified nor receive 0/10 points. They will be judged for the detail of work within the Object Editor. However, don't expect any impressive score either.

 

[Bannar]

Updated my post with entery, Final entry you will ifnd here. More information will be added soon, enjoy the hero.

 

[Magtheridon96]

Adiktuz is judging? ^^ Yay ^^

I think there are about 2 hours left.

 

[Bugz]

I dont think that more final entry's will come, so you can start doing your judging thing :3

 

[InfinateAnswers]

theres like 15 minutes left. Lol

 

[Brambleclaw]

No there is 1 hour and 15 mins. The time said GMT time at the mo everyone is at GMT+1 o.o

Anyway here is my final see attach

And this is description http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/1972042-post498.html with wips

Edit: PIE

 

[Bugz]

Good luck :3, next topic will most likely be the one that closses it

edit: it closes in 15 m

 

[HappyCockroach]

i guess ill give this contest a shot.

 

[Bannar]

Its still one hour Bugz.. updated my Entry once again, now it's final one.

 

[Bugz]

What world time zone are we talking?

 

[InfinateAnswers]

GMT, and my secondary clock is set to GMT and at GMT its friday already

 

[Brambleclaw]

Well im at GMT+1 And it says 00:37
now im confused

My time zone

(GMT) Greenwich Mean Time : Dublin, Edinburgh, Lisbon, London

Real GMT Is 11:38
GMT due to daylight saving times is 00:38

But due to everything being based of Real GMT it just says GMT+1
To stop confusion :O

As GMT doesnt change Just our clocks go forward and back during summer

 

[Bugz]

Exactly, contest is ended

 

[Brambleclaw]

No real gmt is 11:41

Sorry my mistake i did 00:38-1hour =12:38

Corrected it now


Edit: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.co.uk/ check it

27 mins left ...Hungry if ur making one in this last hour your post will be close o.o to finish

 

[HappyCockroach]

All times are GMT. The time now is 11:41 PM.

Edit: the guy posted. but hell, just look down there for the time, goddammit...

 

[Bugz]

No real gmt is 11:41

Sorry my mistake i did 00:38-1hour =12:38

Corrected it now


Edit: http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.co.uk/ check it

That link says 0:45 am, So does my ipod

edit: the site says: All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:44 AM.

 

[Brambleclaw]

no no you looking at the one below which is britain time GMT+1 Here is the direct link
http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time/scripts/clock-8/runner.php

 

[InfinateAnswers]

It doesnt even matter, Pyrite wont notice the contest is over for another 2 days or so. Hopefully it doesnt come to that, or someone else makes the Poll page

 

[Bugz]

It doesnt even matter, Pyrite wont notice the contest is over for another 2 days or so. Hopefully it doesnt come to that, or someone else makes the Poll page

That's the host's job

 

[Brambleclaw]

Well it does if you check the post time when it was posted ....

 

[InfinateAnswers]

Pyrites not..? oh right its pharaoh haha im used to pyrite hosting.

 

[Brambleclaw]

So pyrite is alot more relaxed than pharoh about time ?

btw nice sig--Procrastination ftw

Edit: 3mins left n counting o.o


Wonder if anyone is gonna post an entry at 11:59