Contest - Bossfight

[The World Is Flat]

As I said, i am working on the rules, and will completly re-organize them soon. Thnaks for rules suggestions, and no need to appologise teuncreemers.

Edit:

I Never said rules were bad. i fact thats what i have been working on, they will ofc be completely strict, if there are rules then if you deviate you will be disqualified, the only things we need are more difining rules, i just want avator to back off and stop being so aggresive about it.

 

[zolga]

ok i may find time for this
so three questions
1. do we have to team up
2. does it have to be multiplayer
3. are you going to change the theme

 

[The World Is Flat]

No No And No

...not yet. and probably not ever.

 

[zolga]

No No And No

quite positive arent you

 

[real138]

hmm ok cant wait to start on it.

 

[Kingz]

Still don't forget to make this in the correct form

@zolga

Lep potpis

 

[The World Is Flat]

Ok I will be updating and solidifying the rules, now.


Thanks all.

 

[Agrias]

Well, I guess I can join a group that needs a terrain or some ideas since I can't do anything texture wise(broken tablet ; - or code wise besides GUI and we all know how inferior GUI is xD.

And sounds like a great contest idea, even if a lot of people don't enter, the scripts for bosses and etc will help people make some more maps like Obsidian Depths or Impossible Bosses! ... hopefully .

 

[The World Is Flat]

Alright rules organized... will add a couple more if i forgot...

 

[ACdestinydream]

sorry ppl.... i cant participate.. its a last min notice that im going overseas during late dec and i wont be able to bring my lappy so thats it im not participating. i wished that i could participate but cant.. going overseas for important business.

 

[real138]

aw unfortunate. well have fun overseas im going to europe in late january.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Too bad, i'll take you off the list.

 

[real138]

hey put down a table of criteria in first post. like
?/5 - Idea
?/10 - Gameplay
?/10 - Coding
?/10 - Fitting Terrain
?/5 - Balanced

 

[Kingz]

It should be : X/100

Something like:

Theme: X/20
Gameplay: X/25
Coding: X/25
Atmosphere: X/15
Balance: X/15

At least i think it should go like that.
There should be no X-factor as The World Is Flat suggested, since that is pure discrimination

 

[real138]

what he mean by X-factor? and ya your thing is better mine was just an example.

 

[Kingz]

• They will be rated on: Originality, X-Factor, Flow, Play style, Phase Planner, Coding, and Theme (How accurately they stick with the theme.)

He mentioned an X-Factor there which tbh i don't like and think should be excluded and the rating should be brought down to the 6 i listed:

• Theme
• Gameplay
• Coding
• Atmosphere
• Balance

At least i think it should

 

[zolga]

He mentioned an X-Factor there which tbh i don't like and think should be excluded and the rating should be brought down to the 6 i listed:

• Theme
• Gameplay
• Coding
• Atmosphere
• Balance

At least i think it should

you are right on every thing except balance
how can you balance something if you already dont have anything to balance too
or you think balance is in the possibility to kill the boss (something like difficulty changes on 5 or 10 men-ing him)

 

[Vosty]

yeah, the point of a boss is to be imbalanced. That is why he is better than you.

 

[Kingz]

If the boss can't be killed by a maximum number of players in a map then i would call it imbalanced, no?

If it is killable by 1 player easily i would also say that that submision won't get much points in the balance category.

It is more a measurement is the boss realistic or not, it shouldn't be easy to kill but neither should it be unkillable

EDIT:

If you want call it difficult, but balance sounds better imho.

 

[Pyritie]

yeah, the point of a boss is to be imbalanced. That is why he is better than you.

No, balance = a hard fight but not WTF hard or too easy. They should be a challenge but not something that kills everyone if they aren't at their maximum level, for example.

 

[real138]

mhm and btw kingz you only listed 5 but said 6 well any idea when we can start guys?

 

[Forgotten_Warlord]

No, balance = a hard fight but not WTF hard or too easy. They should be a challenge but not something that kills everyone if they aren't at their maximum level, for example.

boss fights are suppose to be like WTF hard lol
kinda like when your 40maning onyxia in basic wow for the first time XD

 

[Hemlock]

Well Balance is all about the possibility for fact if the boss isn't being overpowered or underpowered.
In a bossfight, we are to make here, it's supposed to a boss that takes some thought and experience in order to beat the boss.

So either it shouldn't be a boss that can be steamrolled over, or just obliterative you in the first seconds.

 

[real138]

exactly what hemlock said. it should be possible to beat on a first try but extremely hard. so you dont get killed in first few seconds and you learn as you go what to do. and even when you have done it a couple times should be challenging.

 

[Forgotten_Warlord]

exactly what hemlock said. it should be possible to beat on a first try but extremely hard. so you dont get killed in first few seconds and you learn as you go what to do. and even when you have done it a couple times should be challenging.

yep lol, its gotta be really hard like a japanese video game >.< (American video game difficulty is nothing compared to them O.O)

 

[Deolrin]

So, say, the boss could mindlessly attack you and not use any abilities so that you could understand what to do, then after about one minute of mindless fighting he'll start using awesome abilities and such.

 

[Kingz]

Diablo 2 boss: Diablo is a good example of the simplest boss there is.

There are several skills he uses against you and if you are skilled you can kill him the 1st time you face him, if you aren't skilled you will probably die the 1st time he uses his red lightning attack.

And even skilled players sometimes die from that attack just because of 1 moment of unconcentration.

But that was Diablo 2, this is Warcraft 3, surely the advantages of making much better bosses has expanded.

I would say a good boss is one you can kill alone in 10-15 minutes, not half an hour.

A bad example would be a boss that needs button mashing for 30 minutes, or getting him killed in the 1st 2 minutes
EDIT:
If anyone ever played DMC3/DMC4 they should know what a good bossfight can be, especialy if they played royal guard/trickster.

 

[Sephalo]

I'd say a cool boss has the following aspects:

- Movement. There is movement required to do the boss event. He could per example do an AoE attack to a certain indicated area which you gotta avoid. You could make a boss even one-shot people with avoidable damage while not making him overpowered.
- Damage/Pressure to every player. Every player in the fight should work! If you have a bossfight with the stereotype tank/healer/dps setup you should not only let the boss hit the tank. Pressure should be added to the dps or healer in the form of debuffs or avoidable damage.

You could add a high attack damage value for a boss to make him hard. But that would mean you can make a boss hard by making it as if the healer is unfocussed for ~2 seconds you lose. I would always make a boss hard by adding the 2 aspects mentioned above here. Making a boss harder will mean I add more or stronger movement/pressure aspects to the fight. A higher damage value is lame I'd say, and will only result in bad luck losses.

 

[real138]

no not like that. just the spell frequency gets higher as it goes on and such

 

[Sephalo]

no not like that. just the spell frequency gets higher as it goes on and such

Yeah thats an option aswell.

3 things on how to make bossfights harder!

 

[real138]

btw that was ment at debode lol and ya i agree fully with teuncreemers

 

[Forgotten_Warlord]

well Real138 and I are going to have an epic boss fight ^^
Going to have more aspects than that

 

[Vosty]

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/general-mapping-tutorials-278/creating-bossfight-94684/
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/idea-factory-462/single-player-bossfights-134210/
Anything you will need to know about bossfights.

 

[Kingz]

The most important things i would say is to make the boss unpredictable, don't make it a patern, random boss decisions would surely make the battle dynamic.

On the end dynamic and tactical battles is what makes boss fights good, don't forget that.

 

[Hemlock]

Well, I'd advice not to spoil all your ideas, seeing this contest is going to start in about 2 days, so you can start on your maps, and all your creative idea's.
Looking forward to see what people are going to come up with.

 

[Deolrin]

Too bad a Nerubian Death Knight is not considered demonic. :'(

 

[zolga]

Ok so this is going to start
is it an official contest

i will see if i can join and tell you tommorow

 

[ACdestinydream]

zzz so sad i couldnt join and prove how good i am in bossfights. yes i played countless bossfights over garena, bnet and i noe the expectations. but, this is my destiny.

 

[The World Is Flat]

Ok, i'm set with the ratings sry guys. it says when the bossfight will sart btw...


And X-Factor means intensity, excitment and fun involved. - So i don't exactly se how it is descriminatory.


EDIT:

We Start Tomarrow.

Give me a good reason to change somthing and i will.


EDIT:

New Rule:

You map may be from 1-4 players but no more for this contest.

 

[real138]

uhm could we start friday? im busy all week. i have finals and 3 soccer games.

 

[Kingz]

Gameplay category should cover up the X-factor, i really don't like the current judging criteria since it isn't even clarified, please put up a finaly judging criteria with the maximum score number and the score each category can achieve.

Gameplay can replace all 3 factors(X-factor,flow,play style).

 

[The World Is Flat]

Alright, that makes sense, ill do that.

Edit - And Real138 we are starting tomarrow.

 

[real138]

ok that works. i guess i still got lots of time when is it due?

 

[real138]

nvm. i got it jan 22

 

[The World Is Flat]

Great, lets begin, there will be, from now on, only a rule change in this Contest if it wins a majority vote. if we find rules lacking, then there will be additions to the next contest.

LET THE GAMES BEGIN!

 

[Mage_Goo]

uh, this isn't even 'lifted' from challenge submission, is it okay?

if yes, I join.

edit:
I'll use this as my boss: Hell Bull from General Frank

 

[The World Is Flat]

I Never put it in here, if they want to approve it they may. But it has started, and is relativly finalized. so feel free to join, but it is an unnoffical contest. Let me know if you really want to join.

 

[Mage_Goo]

ok, then, count me in.

 

[scorpion182]

only one boss?

 

[The World Is Flat]

Per Map, if you want to do more, submit it in campaing fashon.