World Editors at Dawn! FamousPker49 vs. frostwhisper

[FamousPker49]

The Hive Workshop
Challenge Request

1. Copy this form in its entirety.
2. Create a new thead in THW's Admin Contact or Challenge Submission forum. Title: Challenge Request.
3.Complete the information in each <field> below the underlined categories.
4. Do not alter the document in any other way.
5. Improperly completed requests may be rejected.

• No memory leaks are allowed in triggers or scripts.
• Challenge results must be bug-free.
• Copy and paste techniques are not permitted.
• No exports from other games are acceptable.

Challenge Theme:
(Triggering, scripting, texturing, modeling, terrianing, concept art, story writing, other.)

Terraining.

Challenger:
FamousPker49


Opponent(s):
frostwhisper


Challenge Duration:
(14 days maximum)
7 Days


Proposed Reputation Award:
(20 points maximum)
20 and the rights to the Sexy Eye.


Challenge judging:
(Poll or appointed judge)
50% Poll
50% Judge


Map-specific conditions:
Theme:
Anything. Just purely terrain skill.
File size:
Any
Imports allowed:
Yes
Optimization/protection:
None
Other:
Nope

Other challenge conditions:
Details:
None
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Anything else you might want to change frostwhisper, if you want a theme or just open?
And I hope I did this right.

 

[frostwhisper]

Munch, munch. Aye, I accept (though the sheer thought of losing 20 rep sucks xD).
No theme is fine, don't worry. Only question I have is, who would you propose to be the judge?

EDIT: Oh, and one more little thing. Can the whole thing not be UTM only? I'm getting a little sick by the UTM's limits recently (especially since version 3's basically outdated). Besides, for me the true artistic terrain skills can be utilized when every model is explicitly picked to match the piece perfectly.

 

[FamousPker49]

Alright, lets see here... I'll be a judge. And I'll change it to down to one week.

And as far as the UTM, I suppose sure. We'll allow imports, but nothing that you create specifically for this. I suppose that should be fair enough eh?

 

[frostwhisper]

Yep.

Hold on, you're kidding about being the judge, right?

 

[FamousPker49]

Lol. Yes. Well, I think maybe we should ask Ghenjis, [Death], or Void?

 

[frostwhisper]

Death's the oldest and most experienced. I say we take him.

 

[FamousPker49]

That was my feeling, I just don't know how active he is. I know he is on sometimes for the WT. I say we start sending PM's.

 

[frostwhisper]

I say YOU start sending PMs cause you're the challenger. ^^

 

[FamousPker49]

Alright. I did anyhow! I sent him one at WC3C and Here.

 

[frostwhisper]

Cool.

 

[~Void~]

If he doesn't get back to you I'd be happy to judge.

 

[FamousPker49]

Alright, I'd say Void would be a good judge. If he doesn't respond in a few days I say we go?

 

[frostwhisper]

Kay, let's give Death a day or two, and if there's no response, we'll begin with Void as our respectful judge.

 

[FamousPker49]

Alright, he gave me a response, but he is still on vacation, so he cannot judge right now. So I suppose we shall continue with teh Void as our judge.

Hello there, I have recently challenged frostwhisper, or here know as ikum-bokum, over at THW to a terrain contest and we decided that you would probably be the best judge of the contest. We were wondering if you would accept our offer. If so it'd be great if you could post in the thread.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/f522/world-editors-dawn-famouspker49-vs-frostwhisper-90845/

Thanks alot.

I can't. I'm still in vacation, so I'm too "busy" to do much good besides talk. Sorry.

 

[frostwhisper]

Righto.
*looks lovingly at Void*

Now we need to see this challenge approved, correct?

 

[FamousPker49]

That is correct. Who do I PM in that case?

 

[frostwhisper]

No fekin idea...

 

[~Void~]

Admin contact forum? ;P

 

[FamousPker49]

Done. Just waiting for a response now.

 

[Huurka]

Good luck, FamousPker49 and frostwhisper.

 

[frostwhisper]

Thanks. I'm gonna need it.

 

[FamousPker49]

No you aren't. I'm no good.

 

[Celaquil]

Really, this one I just HAS to follow to see who wins!

And yeah, good luck to you both!

 

[Ghan_04]

Challenge Approved On: 7/16/08
Challenge Concludes On: 7/23/08

Good luck to the contestants!
And as a side note, the penalty for losing is only ever 5 reputation points. It is not the same as that for winning.

 

[FamousPker49]

Thanks for the approval! And oh, that's good to know. Whew.

EDIT: WIP, I may go with other ideas.

 

[~Void~]

Make the stars smaller and more of them (more realistic) and make the sky less blue and more black. Maybe tint 10/10/25?

Also, make the northern lights (assuming that's what they are) different colors!

 

[FamousPker49]

Alright, well, I have another update, but will do what you suggested Void, just getting it somewhat layed out...

 

[frostwhisper]

EDIT: Terrain was overall messy and was therefore not a good representation of me.

 

[FamousPker49]

With the shadows, but they need better placing, right now it looks kind of funny for some reason, but the shadows are better imo.

Another WIP, I have to tweak a lot of the angles n such n still add more color.

 

[frostwhisper]

I like the moon reflection so far.

 

[Dr Super Good]

frostwhisper, I highly recomend trying turning on AA (AntiAliasing) in your graphic card drivers. It would probably improve your terane looks a lot as currently there are a lot of noticable saw blade edges. Also it might make the grass appear betters.

FamousPker49, the moon reflection looks cool. However you will probably need something large on the ocean otherwise it will appear too emtpy.

 

[FamousPker49]

Hey, I had that same idea DSG, and this is what I have so far. Mostly foreground work.

 

[frostwhisper]

Eehehe... gulp. This is starting to look dangerously good.

 

[FamousPker49]

Alright, this is prolly my last update for today, maybe my final, but Idk what else to add. So for now, just a WIP.

EDIT: My final submission. I are done.

 

[frostwhisper]

EDIT: Terrain was messy and not worthy to represent me.

 

[~Void~]

May I judge them now?

 

[frostwhisper]

I told ya already, I think It's time for the judgage to commence.
We'll also ask Ghan to open up the poll.

Kinda funny how we had a one week deadline and both finished in the first day ^^

 

[FamousPker49]

Yes Void, you may judge them, and I shall get Ghan to open a poll if I see him soon.

 

[frostwhisper]

But remember to keep the judgment hidden until the poll ends D:

 

[FamousPker49]

Yes, I agree, don't want any external influence... influencing the polls.

 

[~Void~]

Judgification (word?):

Judgification

Frostwhisper:

PROS:
- Very epic
- Colorful!
- Nice atmosphere (sky/light/fog)
- Original

CONS:
- Can see the trees on the horizon, which in my experience usually doesn't look good, basically the horizon is too close.
- Lack of tile variation in the background
- Lack of almost everything in the background (you know which hills I'm talking about!)
- Somewhat sloppy placing of flora around the path, looks too random and somewhat unnatural.
- Maybe TOO much doodad variation in the front which doesn't suit the background style...

Overall score - 7/10

FamousPker49:

PROS:
- Northern lights are original, and the reflection is pretty nice.
- Good trees
- Very good use of subtlety (background mainly, and the moonlight)
- The water and pier are very nice
- Makes good use of a shitty model (the ship)
- Star reflection looks good

CONS:
- Again, sloppy/unnatural doodad placement.
- The northern lights look like they are really close, and are also very blurry.
- The northern lights are only green!
- The reflection of northern lights looks a bit more like just more lights but lower down to the ground.
- The rocks on the side of the path look unnatural, I guess someone could have made it that way but it still looks off.
- Looks like you tried to cram too many different things into one picture.

Overall score - 7.5/10

COMMENTS: I'm going to have to hand the prize to FamousPker49. Why? Well frostwhisper, your terrain was very good and it was a tough decision, the background lighting was very nice and showed a lot of potential, I wish I could say the same for the foreground. And the doodad variation seemed to all be in the foreground and not in the background. As for the floating thingies, they add a nice touch, but still look a bit odd. The key point of doodad abuse in my opinion is making doodad abuse not LOOK like it's doodad abuse, which is really damn hard! Famous, well yours won it for me actually because of the grass sticking up through the boardwalk. That might make some people laugh, but it was what gave you the extra half a point and the win. Touches of detail and nature actually, believe it or not, add significant atmosphere. It gives the idea that it was a fairly old path leading to the shore, which really works with the rest of the piece. So it's not because Frostwhisper's was bad in any way, I just think FamousPker49's was better.

FamousPker49 - 7.5/10
Frostwhisper - 7.0/10

 

[FamousPker49]

Hmm... I'm not sure, but I think frost wanted it so that nobody besides him n I would know your judgement results so the poll's wouldn't get influenced by what you said.

 

[Ghan_04]

A poll has been added.
Let the voting begin!

 

[frostwhisper]

If it is possible, I would like to pull out and receive my negative reputation as soon as possible.
Congratulations to FamousPker.

 

[~Void~]

Are you serious? O.O

 

[FamousPker49]

Yes... Sadly he is. He's taken it pretty hard... But he has made his decision and I wish he hadn't, but I don't think he will budge.

 

[~Void~]

That sucks. I didn't mean any hard feelings. But my final judging is not going to change ;P

 

[FamousPker49]

Me neither. I thought that it had turned out well, with both terrains being of quality.

 

[frostwhisper]

/me smacks Famous and Void's faces. Twice.

Backing down was in my personal interest, now get over it.

 

[FamousPker49]

You ask. It shall be done.