There's a point when it goes from helping a person to holding the person's hand. He needs to learn to help himself with the basic stuff (Like where to post) or nothing you or anyone here says is ever going to make an ounce of difference. It's not like those forums are labeled or something. It's also not like he's broken a dozen rules before making this thread.V.I said:I would have thought the Hive would have been a bit more helpful than what I've just seen, really.
If it hadn't been the same way with me when I started, I wouldn't have gotten anywhere and wouldn't have made anything decent. It is through failure that we succeed, and certainly if everyone pretends that you're doing well when you're not, you will never improve. Just look at some of the poor artists at this site, they haven't improved in years because no one here has the balls to talk down on their work seriously.V.I said:I mean, after all, we don't want to hold his hand and aim him in the right direction. It's not as if someone rubbed his face in the dirt or anything.
Inexperienced, maybe, but stupid, no. The willingness to learn is punctuated only by the unwillingness to accept criticism of a harsh nature. You're preaching that the hive should be a community site over a modding site in what you're saying; while I agree that a certain level of patience is necessary, being kind to a person who has, on multiple occasions, broken rules and refused to mend them is being blind and uncaring to the rest of the community.V.I said:Everyone starts off differently, and even the best of map makers were stupid at one point. I'm not saying people like yourself ever posted like he has, but you know, if the Hive's for 'everyone', then the Hive has got to have a high level of patience.
Yes.V.I said:and 'devilash' from WC3C, are they the same people?
The original poster was given a half dozen 'okay' reviews and didn't listen to a single one. If after that he doesn't care, then no one else ought to either.V.I said:...and by saying someone has 'no quality' or should 'go to a different site' because they're not good enough, isn't really motivating the user to improve. I do fully agree with the 'tough criticism' point, though.
In setting one's standards to accept the bottom of the barrel, you alienate those with real talent. You can't possibly have an 'everyone' site; between WC3C and THW it's been proven impossible.V.I said:I wasn't saying it should be a community site, more so that it sets its standards for everyone and doesn't restrict itself to the top echelon of the map modding world.
Granted, but it reinforces the fact that he hasn't read the rules nor the forum descriptions of the site at all.V.I said:At least he's posting here to find a resolution, instead of re-re-resubmitting rejected resources.
I understand, but the operative keyword here is if. Judging from his past, I seriously doubt that will happen - nor do I expect you actually believe it will either.V.I said:This will be the part when we can tell if he is just 'inexperienced' or just 'stupid', though: if he improves now he has been shown the areas, then at least we can say it has been time well spent, if you understand what I mean?
Way too melodramatic for my tastes.V.I said:Finally, I have hope. I may not believe it, but I hope he will. Consider it like Faith, almost.
You mean some people start with the capacity and willingness to learn and others don't.V.I said:Everyone starts at some form of grassroots, some just start out more capable than others.