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Who won this conflict?

Discussion in 'The Legends of Arkain Series' started by Championfighter25, May 25, 2018.

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Who won this conflict in your opinion?

  1. The Humans

    4 vote(s)
    33.3%
  2. The Orcs

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  3. The Undead

    6 vote(s)
    50.0%
  4. The Demons

    1 vote(s)
    8.3%
  1. Championfighter25

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    I wish I could have made this thread a lot later, but considering that the Arkain universe is in a state of Limbo and more stories will not come out in the foreseeable future, I think now's gonna be the best time.
    But anyway to the topic at hand. Who won this conflict, judging from the endings of the 2nd Human Book. Some people may deem this as unfair considering we only got 1 viewpoint to judge from, but I think a point can be made for every race. So how are we making the criteria? Well, we will see each race, what they and their characters wanted to accomplish and how it turned out for them in the end.
    Of course, you don't have to agree with me. You can debate and make your viewpoints as well and decide who was the winner in your eyes.

    Let's begin!

    1. The Humans:
    The humans, those living on Arkain at least wanted the demons completely out of their kingdoms and to remove their threat for good.
    Gardon wanted their kind forever destroyed, together with reforming the Zyainor empire.
    Van Durce wanted to defeat their invading force and after that leave to overthrow the emperor who was ruining the human empire.
    So how did it turn out?
    In the Gardon ending the demons did get completely thrown back from the kingdoms. Gardon didn't, however, destroy their kind as he wanted to. He did reform the Zyainor empire though.
    Van Durce is dead in this scenario so it's now completely up to Aedale to end the emperor's games alone (if you didn't corrupt her of course) Will she succeed? While it's left ambiguous, I actually think she can.
    In the Van Durce ending roughly 2 and a half human kingdoms are left under demonic occupation, so the humans of Arkain didn't at all accomplish what they wanted to. Gardon is dead so destroying the demons for good, ending their threat or reforming the Zyainor empire is out of the question.
    At least the humans on the continent of the human empire will be possibly saved ( unless you also didn't corrupt Aedale since then that will make it impossible)

    2. The Orcs:
    Oh, oh, oh, the laughing stock of the series if I can call them that. There have been possibly 50 - 100 times more anti-orc comments than Anti-demons or Anti-any other enemy comments.
    What were they trying to accomplish?
    Well, the orcs wanted to increase their numbers by allying with other races or other clans.
    They wanted to prevent their kind from going extinct.
    Rangul wanted to create a realm for the Orcs, where they could launch invasions and be known for more than being simple brutes that were marauders and pillagers.
    So how did they fare?
    The 1st one is a no-brainer, of course, they succeeded.
    The 2nd they also managed to prevent, even though in the end they owe it more to the undead than themselves.
    The 3rd one will both remain ambiguous, but also answerable. Rangul, the Orcs and the rest of their allies did make a realm for themselves, in the kingdom of Salria and will possibly use it for future invasions. The Orcs may also finally learn to live a more civilized lifestyle, surrounded by the other races.

    3. The Undead:
    What were they trying to accomplish?
    Aridon wanted to keep the balance of the world and make the other races fear the undead.
    They wanted to defeat the demons.
    Manipulate the other races into doing their will.
    So how did they fare?
    Aridon accomplished the 1st one flawlessly since the undead did what was needed and is a terrifying foe to face in the eyes of every mortal.
    The 2nd one doesn't even need answering, they did it, not alone though and they still needed the humans, but still accomplished it.
    Probably mostly succeeded. I'm saying this because Aridon still probably tries to manipulate the orcs, without realizing it doesn't work.

    4. The Demons:
    What were they trying to accomplish?
    Fully invade Arkain.
    Above everything else, try and save their kind from extinction.
    So how did they fare?
    In the Gardon ending they failed miserably, way too much and it's only because of the undead that they didn't lose more land.
    The saving their kind thing got fulfilled though, even if you declined or accepted the pact, again mostly because of the undead.
    In the van Durce ending, they fared a lot better. Almost 2 and a half human kingdoms belong to them and won't be liberated for a long, long time. Of course, they won't be able to push further, but they should be sufficed for the time being.
    The saving their kind thing doesn't apply here.

    So who won this conflict in my eyes? Well, the answer may surprise you, but I think every race got their share and nobody, in my opinion, won outright.
    If you really want to make me chose however then it would be a tie between the Humans and Undead. Both of them accomplished nearly everything they wanted to and even though the undead currently manipulates the former, that may change, once Aridon makes the mistake of trying to kill Gardon.
     
  2. LISBOAH

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    In the Gardon storyline, humanity reached 75% of victory. They managed to free the occupied kingdoms, push the demons to the Void and recreate Zyainor. But they failed to defeat the demons for good.

    In the van Durce's storyline, humanity is on a stalemate. They can't reconquer the previous kingdoms, but have the cannon that will allow them to hold the demons. That is until the demons learn how to counter it and then the kingdoms are screwed.

    The Empire might be safe, for now. If the Kingdoms fall, then the Demons will have a full continent to launch attacks from.

    Maybe they will create a more civilized lifestyle, but then again they had plenty of time to do that, but they didn't.

    The Undead are the ultimate victors, in my opinion. Everything went exactly as they planned.

    The Demon Threat is gone for a while, Gardon might have his own kingdom but it will start to fall apart eventually and while orcs are beyond manipulation, the other races aren't.
     
  3. Championfighter25

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    The humans living on the continent of Arkain that is.
    The humans on the continent of the human empire *may* be screwed.

    Again only the humans on Arkain. And I'm sure that the undead may prevent the demons from countering it because they need someone to defend them once again for a while.

    I feel like the empire will be able to defend itself a lot better than the human kingdoms. Remember what happened during their first attempt?

    Well, they had a lot more things to concentrate on. Allying with the ogres by first helping them get rid of their moghtar problem, helping the centaurs survive extinction, invading Salria to transform it into a realm for them and their allies in the future, accepting the Cliffhunter clan and finding a way to ally with the goblins, ally with the gnolls, ally with golems, finding a way to ally with the red dragons and let's not forget they didn't officially form the Tribal Dominion until chapter 12. There were just a lot of other priorities they had to concentrate on.

    Yes and I can see why. Still, though I made it a tie between both them and the humans since who said the humans won't get their payback at some point.

    Maybe it will collapse after his death, but before that, I hardly doubt it.

    The answer to that statement will probably remain unanswered sadly. When I asked Shar a while back in the official thread if the other races of the Dominion can be manipulated, he simply replied with ''secrets, secrets'' and I really doubt he would want to spoil it.
     
  4. Shar Dundred

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    Re-opened.