Microsoft is watching?

EloTheMan · Jan 15, 2013

Does Microsoft monitor each individual computer with windows OS that has an internet connection to make sure the software is working correctly?

I highly doubt its true but I cant stop my mom from talking about it being true and how their support center in India specifically contacted her about her computer problems (her computer is a complete wreck, I don't have the knowledge or experience to save it because the amount of errors is so high I cant even install a antivirus program on it nor remove the old one(s)). The guy in the "support" wanted her to send/pay money with Western Union for new software because the old one was so infected with virus and stuff (simply starting that damn thing shows that it is infected, you don't need to scan it to know it is)

I could talk about her computer and her idiotic way of handling it all day but I just want to have a straight answer to the question.
(Taking advice from a complete stranger? No problem. Taking advice from your son with some basic knowledge on how to use a computer? HELL NO :ogre_icwydt:

)

P.S. She didn't pay anything, mostly because she thought it was to expensive (January in very dull time of the year for shopkeepers)

P.S.S. She bought it in 2006 and it got Windows XP, might be worth mentioning.

Squiggy · Jan 15, 2013

No, they don't.

Straight enough?

Just google how to reinstall win xp - there's a million of guides around and most are piss-easy to follow.

Dr Super Good · Jan 17, 2013

They often gather data such as usage statistics (if you allow them to) but these are mostly kept anamyously.

Ralle · Jan 17, 2013

You may want to read this. http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/mar/01/microsoft-virus-scam-continues

rulerofiron99 · Jan 17, 2013

The people that contacted your mother might have been scammers.

This scam has been around for a while, they call random numbers and pretend to be microsoft so that they can get your credit card details.

EDIT: Ralle beat me to it.

EloTheMan · Jan 17, 2013

Thanks guys, I knew it was a scam but I couldn't do a sh*t to stop her from arguing against me on how wrong I was. "-This guy in the phone is an educated IT person and knows a lot more than you do when it comes to computers."

After showing that article to her she completely changed her mindset on things, so I'm hoping this experience will help me in the future for taking care of her computer problems.

And about the computer, the win xp cd is nowhere to be found and I doubt the hardware can perform good with W7 so I'm thinking about scrapping it instead and save me the trouble. We have a notebook that can replace it anyway.

Ralle · Jan 17, 2013

You could try Ubuntu?

EloTheMan · Jan 17, 2013

Ralle said:
You could try Ubuntu?

I have always wanted to try out a Linux based systems, this may be a good opportunity to actually do it.

But since I wont be using it much, would you recommend it to a 40+ woman who only uses Microsoft Word and Outlook, Internet Explorer, and has folders with over 2000 work related images?

Dr Super Good · Jan 17, 2013

Seeing how I managed to get Ubuntu into an unrecoverable state within 30 minutes of installing it, I would not advise it for anyone below someone extreemly skilled with IT.

If you want to use linux, I advise Debian as it is a lot easier to set up an harder to get into a unrecoverable state (it is much more easy going with its account security).

EloTheMan · Jan 17, 2013

The little IT skills I have are bound down to Vista and W7 so an easy to use OS would be much preferred, or easy to learn. But it wont be used for other things than work, web browsing and multimedia.

Ralle · Jan 18, 2013

I must admit that for parents, the best OS to go with is the one where the kids can help.

rulerofiron99 · Jan 18, 2013

The safest would be Windows 7. Create a non-administrator account for your parents to use, that way it's almost impossible for them to break anything.

Zakamutt · Jan 18, 2013

Well, it's also hard for them to install anything if you enable UAC like a good boy (I personally have UAC enabled on a decent level and run as normal user on my laptop, but some people will find having to enter an admin password too annoying; even just clicking a yes/no can be problematic).

(I now want to whine about people not using NoScript since it's a bit annoying for them to enable scrips, despite the huge security advantages and usually blocking ads) (parentheses)

I think there are also special (but limited) editions of Win7 created for low-powered systems, might want to check that out. Otherwise, just reinstalling XP shouldn't be that bad, my dad still uses it lol.

EloTheMan · Jan 18, 2013

rulerofiron99 said:
The safest would be Windows 7. Create a non-administrator account for your parents to use, that way it's almost impossible for them to break anything.

It would be the best alternative since my mom tried to delete the 'command prompt' because she thought it looked suspicious... but I don't think that computer got the hardware to function well with W7.

I think there are also special (but limited) editions of Win7 created for low-powered systems, might want to check that out. Otherwise, just reinstalling XP shouldn't be that bad, my dad still uses it lol.

Do you mean Windows 7 Starter? I have no idea how to get it legally nor any experience with it but it might be a valid solution to this.

Zakamutt · Jan 19, 2013

Who said you have to get it legally? Fcuk the polees!1
And yes that would be it. I don't know much about it, though.

Ubuntu actually has a netbook version or something; I personally didn't get it unrecoverable until quite a bit later but yes it's significantly more unreliable than windows, sad but true.
Linux is still awesome though if you know the magic of the wonderful commandline.

Nuclear · Jan 19, 2013

Every time I've tried any Linux based OS (except Ubuntu), it has left me crying in the smoking ruins of what was my computer moments ago.

EloTheMan · Jan 21, 2013

Did some more research on the web and I couldn't find any copies on Win 7 Starter, guess I will have to go the PB way but I really don't mind.
I will probably go with Win 7 Starter or Win XP.

Anyway, thanks for your replies and tips guys. :smile:

Dr Super Good · Jan 21, 2013

Use Windows 8 if it works, a lot of the complaints made are wrong.

saphiree · Jan 23, 2013

I would not use XP anymore, as it is soon obsolete. Windows 8 should use a limited amount of memory from what i've heard, but is very different from XP compared to windows 7 (Just imo, I know some people will disagree, but for a parent its a big change). And yes, give her a normal (non admin) user if she is so "retarded" with computers

I do the same with my parents

Nuclear · Jan 25, 2013

Using XP would be a serious crime against humanity. It's over 10 years old o_o

Squiggy · Jan 26, 2013

Just go for xp pro sp3.
It's fine for this laptop I suppose.
Also do the non-admin account thingie.

SA Dashie · Jan 26, 2013

I got scam callers for a while.
Oh the times of entertainment over the phone I have had.

edit: I would recommend installing something as new as Windows 8 for a parent. It's to different from the original versions of Windows before it. Although I do enjoy it myself.
Yeh considering when you bought it. A simple re-installation of any Windows version from xp to 7 would be fine(I wouldn't recommend vista though). Maybe download windows security essentials, it's free if you got your windows version legally or just choose the right security software.

Zakamutt · Jan 26, 2013

I personally would say Avast is pretty good for an antivirus

EloTheMan · Jan 26, 2013

I prefer Avast too, I've heard good things about Bitdefender and F-Secure so I'll probably try them out in the future. I used Norton for a while but back then it took so much resources when it scanned the computer. I switched to AVG and it worked well but I lost faith in it completely after a while. I think there is a thread around here somewhere related to that actually.

Ohh and I might add the she installed Panda Security because she got a recommendation from one of her friend's son who said it was the best anti virus on the market. Now apparently he worked on the company who are developing it which kinda makes it obvious why he would say that.

And whatever OS I will install it will have a non administrator account for her, so don't worry about that guys. :wink:

saphiree · Jan 26, 2013

Seriously. The people saying XP is fine, should have a highfive... With a bat.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle
Go the the end of support section. It stopped back in 2009, which means XP is so exploitable at this time. Even if you pay money for the extended support, you are sure to have an insecure OS.

I would recommend Avast!, as that is what I am using. AVG is probably as good as avast!, so if you are more familiar with that, you can use that.

Never heard of the Panda Security, so can't help you there. All I know is, bullguard used to be a piece of shit. Although, I they might have improved it, I would stay away from it.

Gilles · Jan 26, 2013

Insecure? What exactly do you mean by that? I assume you mean secure from outside attacks or virus'. Microsoft has never been secure, which is why there is such a huge market for protection.

Using XP is fine.

Ralle · Jan 27, 2013

saphiree said:
Seriously. The people saying XP is fine, should have a highfive... With a bat.
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/products/lifecycle
Go the the end of support section. It stopped back in 2009, which means XP is so exploitable at this time. Even if you pay money for the extended support, you are sure to have an insecure OS.

I would recommend Avast!, as that is what I am using. AVG is probably as good as avast!, so if you are more familiar with that, you can use that.

Never heard of the Panda Security, so can't help you there. All I know is, bullguard used to be a piece of shit. Although, I they might have improved it, I would stay away from it.

You're wrong. It says "April 8, 2014" for the end of support for Windows XP SP 3.

saphiree · Jan 27, 2013

Ralle said:
You're wrong. It says "April 8, 2014" for the end of support for Windows XP SP 3.

That is extended support, which costs money.

And even if support first ended in 2014, it would be a waste of time to install windows XP now, and then install windows 7 or 8 in a year.

EloTheMan · Jan 27, 2013

Personally I don't like XP for various reasons, but whatever OS I choose it will be one that actually runs somewhat okay on that metal scrap pile some may call a computer.

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