Items - Invulnerable while being beared

[Muhahahahaaa]

hi

Goal: Items that are carried by a unit should be invulnerable, if the item is dropped the effect should be still active for 1 sec. after that the item can be destroyed.
any ideas without triggers checking for pick up , drop down, and loose.

 

[MeKC]

You cant't do that without triggers.

 

[Dr Super Good]

I did not know you could attack items that were in the inventory of a hero...

 

[Muhahahahaaa]

jeah it is possible - more or less. let me explain. my heroes bear 6 items in the 6 always open slots. if i cast grenade launcher on this unit, sometimes items get destroyed ( the effect is a dmg effect with search area).
so you are right, in fact it just needs invulnerable items the very moment a item is lost by the bearer.
it would be easier if there is a possibility to check if an item is beared (flag hidden) or not but it seems to be impossible without checkking each item to be collected, dropped, lost, resulting in 1000 of item trigger actions.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Why must the items be killable in the first place? Usually it is considered a bug if AoE moves can hit items at any time.

 

[Muhahahahaaa]

it's part of the gameplay, so is teamkilling, zombie survival tradition :d

 

[Dr Super Good]

Items are usually not hit by friendly fire, atleast in all good zombie maps I have played (SWAT Aftermath).

 

[Muhahahahaaa]

you never played the good ones then

 

[Dr Super Good]

SWAT Aftermath is the best. All others were childish ammature creations that relied on grinding or luck to win.

I am guessing what you are after could be done with a simple trigger that when an item (any item) is picked up it becomes invulnerable while if an item is dropped it becomes vulnerable.

 

[Muhahahahaaa]

none of Night of the Dead maps(NOTD II/III,NOTD:SO,NOTD:AM) are luck based. it's really about teamplay and tactics. (it's not luck to find items, it's a strategy)

 

[Dr Super Good]

it's really about teamplay and tactics.

Or you load a massive rank character that has access to the good classes who can summon gunship support helicopters and things. That is if there was not the penalty for "over rank" which then causes 11 bosses to spawn on the first wave which rip you appart. Yes, one should never load a maximum rank character as the game difficulty becomes stupid.

SWAT Aftermath is entirly team and tactics based. Rank does not make the game any harder, game difficulty does. Also all players have access to all but 2 classes and these classes are not particually better than ones the player can choose from the start.

So did my idea work?

 

[Muhahahahaaa]

ofc trigger work but i dislike having triggers
(you described notd:am) even if you load a general with all medals in notd II, he cannot win solo

 

[Dr Super Good]

he cannot win solo

Which he should be able to if he is the only player in the game. Otherwise this just shows a lack of gameplay scaling.

SWAT Aftermath has a lot more depth to it. It is not ment to be a survival based game (although there is a mode for that) so you need to move around and do stuff. When you get to the higher difficulties enemies start having strong abilities making it even harder. Let us not forget the Nemisis final boss which has to be one of the best boss battles in WarCraft III (especially in extinction difficulty).

ofc trigger work but i dislike having triggers

Nothing is wrong with triggers as long as they are made efficiently. If you want to do silly things then you often need triggers since the data editor logic is designed not to be too silly.

 

[lucycandy]

I am guessing what you are after could be done with a simple trigger that when an item (any item) is picked up it becomes invulnerable while if an item is dropped it becomes vulnerable.





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[Muhahahahaaa]

even easier, all items have the flag hidden while being beared which can be validated. i didn't find it because of the bad localization of the editor.