Increase the reward for terrain contests

[~Void~]

It bothers me that winning a terrain contest, especially a playable terrain contest, gives less rep than making a skin. I think a map's terrain is twice as important (if not more) than one lousy skin. Discuss.

 

[Hawkwing]

How much did you get?

 

[~Void~]

Well, it's set at 30 right now. The texturing and icon contests are 40 (wtf?). The campaign contest is like 65, but I can understand that.

 

[Gilles]

I would agree that all the art contests should have the same rep rewards. I would say that it should be 30 though. We hold a lot of contests, the rewards should be kept down a bit.

 

[Paladon]

The current Phoenix Trial has such a high award since the contestants have to create 6 icons.

But i see the problem.

 

[TheBlooddancer]

I think the epicness in Void's terrains, should sure deserve rep.
And a playable map, depending on size, should give more.

 

[Gilles]

I think both should be 30 regardless of the difficulty. Besides, the icon is the real reward.

TheBlooddancer, remember that second and third receive rep. I'm sure Void will place at least second.

 

[LordDz]

You got 576 rep atm, do you really need much more?

 

[TheBlooddancer]

True, but working at a terrain, which should be playable, and good looking from any angles, takes more than working in a 2d plane. I don't say iconing/skinning is easy, and i neither say that terraining is hard.

Void, i suggest you to create one awesome heck of a tutorial. Im sure that would give you much rep, if you arn't afraid of letting your secrets slip.

 

[~Void~]

You got 576 rep atm, do you really need much more?

583* ;]

Anyways, of course the rep reward doesn't matter that much, this isn't that big of a deal. I'd still like to see it changed, though.

@TBD: Well I don't really have any secrets... Everything I do with my art is intuitive and not really practiced/learned.

 

[Gilles]

Tutorials are overrated.

 

[Mechanical Man]

Terrainers are the most repped people in this forum, so there is no need to increase the rep prize. Also making a texture is harder, everybody can make a terrain, but not many people are able to create a skin.

 

[skrab]

Terrainers are the most repped people in this forum, so there is no need to increase the rep prize. Also making a texture is harder, everybody can make a terrain, but not many people are able to create a skin.

quote for truth

 

[Rising_Dusk]

Who cares what the rep reward is? The very fact that 3rd and 2nd place even get rep rewards for such small-time contests is ridiculous. That it's a bit varied here and there is inconsequential.

 

[~Void~]

Terrainers are the most repped people in this forum, so there is no need to increase the rep prize. Also making a texture is harder, everybody can make a terrain, but not many people are able to create a skin.

Point fail? Anyone can make a bloody skin. Just paint over it. It's whether it looks good or not that will win you the contest; as with terraining.

Who cares what the rep reward is? The very fact that 3rd and 2nd place even get rep rewards for such small-time contests is ridiculous. That it's a bit varied here and there is inconsequential.

That's exactly the argument I was hoping I wouldn't have to deal with. You are essentially saying "rep doesn't matter who gives a shit". Then you may as well set the rep reward for all contests to 0, and remove the rep system completely. Why not? Try to think of a reason without contradicting your argument, and I will +rep you.

 

[Naze]

Who cares what the rep reward is? The very fact that 3rd and 2nd place even get rep rewards for such small-time contests is ridiculous. That it's a bit varied here and there is inconsequential.

Okay, "the rep system fails and who gives a shit", but the guys are earning so much rep from these contests. The art should be lowered to 30, doesn't matter if it is a skin, an icon or a terrain.

Terrainers are the most repped people in this forum, so there is no need to increase the rep prize. Also making a texture is harder, everybody can make a terrain, but not many people are able to create a skin.

Oh, true, everyone can terrain. Here, two random examples of terrains from random guys (example1/example2).

Yes, as terraining is easier than everything else in this forum, I think the 1st place prize should be 15 rep.

[/sarcasm]

Oh, come on.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

I actually wasn't saying that the rep system fails or should be removed. I was saying that it really doesn't matter if the reward bounces up and down a bit here and there. Really, what's +30 versus +40 in the grand scheme of things? People are (Void is) just bitter that someone else can earn a higher amount of rep than they (he) can for different talents is all.

It's all arbitrary anyways, so what good is it to complain? Just take what you get, wear it like you're the king of the world and be done with it.

 

[Pyritie]

Really, what's +30 versus +40 in the grand scheme of things? People are (Void is) just bitter that someone else can earn a higher amount of rep than they (he) can for different talents is all.

It stops threads like this from being created. ;P

 

[Gilles]

I actually wasn't saying that the rep system fails or should be removed. I was saying that it really doesn't matter if the reward bounces up and down a bit here and there. Really, what's +30 versus +40 in the grand scheme of things? People are (Void is) just bitter that someone else can earn a higher amount of rep than they (he) can for different talents is all.

It's all arbitrary anyways, so what good is it to complain? Just take what you get, wear it like you're the king of the world and be done with it.

It's also not a big deal to change it. It makes sense that all art contests receive a set amount of rep, so why not make it that way?

 

[LiOneSS]

Anyone can make a terrain: a bit of WE here and there...

For modeling/texturing you need special tools and stuff

 

[Rising_Dusk]

It's also not a big deal to change it. It makes sense that all art contests receive a set amount of rep, so why not make it that way?

Maybe no one is reading what I'm saying, but I am not actually arguing one way or the other. I am saying that it really doesn't matter. Sure, make them all consistent, that makes sense to me. Sure, make them all different, that also makes sense to me. You can't justify one way or the other, since valid arguments can be made for both sides. Just pick one, get your rep, and be happy.

 

[Gilles]

If you take no stance, don't post?

LiOneSS, I think you underestimate terraining. I challenge you to take part in the next contest. We'll see how you do.

 

[X.e.r.e.X]

LiOneSS, I think you underestimate terraining. I challenge you to take part in the next contest. We'll see how you do.

Pwn'd

 

[~Void~]

I actually wasn't saying that the rep system fails or should be removed. I was saying that it really doesn't matter if the reward bounces up and down a bit here and there. Really, what's +30 versus +40 in the grand scheme of things? People are (Void is) just bitter that someone else can earn a higher amount of rep than they (he) can for different talents is all.

It's all arbitrary anyways, so what good is it to complain? Just take what you get, wear it like you're the king of the world and be done with it.

I could probably join the other contests and win some rep every once in a while, terrain isn't the only thing I'm good at. That's not the point, however. The point is that the reward for another kind of contest is greater when it shouldn't be and doesn't need to be.

 

[LiOneSS]

If you take no stance, don't post?

LiOneSS, I think you underestimate terraining. I challenge you to take part in the next contest. We'll see how you do.

I never did terraining, I am focused on art, while you have been doing that for ages. It would be the same as me challenging you to a texturing/modeling/icon contest.

 

[Rising_Dusk]

If you take no stance, don't post?

As you wish, Mr. Arena Moderator.

 

[Gilles]

As you wish, Mr. Arena Moderator.

I can't tell if you are insulting me or not. I wasn't trying to insult you at all, I also wasn't asking you to not post, I was pointing out that if you don't care, why post?

 

[~Void~]

I never did terraining, I am focused on art, while you have been doing that for ages. It would be the same as me challenging you to a texturing/modeling/icon contest.

Exactly, but your point was that it wasn't like that. Your point was that anyone can pick up the editor and make a contest-winning terrain piece, and that's why the rep reward should be less than an art contest. So you are either agreeing with us or contradicting yourself.

 

[FamousPker49]

Seriously what is the point of this thread? And your argument about rep not mattering is not necessarily all or nothing. Some people care about enough for it to serve as an award for contest but not enough to care really how much. And as stated before the real reward is the icon.

Who really gives a shit?

 

[~Void~]

Well if nobody really cares, I see no reason why not to bump it up to 40 for the next contest.

 

[LiOneSS]

Rep-whore. :|

 

[Gilles]

Or lower the other ones.

 

[LiOneSS]

Creating a model, animating it, and texturing it is a whole bunch of work, why lower the prize for that?
Painting an awesome texture from scratch is a whole bunch of work, why lower the prize for that?

Let's just raise that prize if the moderators/admins agree, really, so you stop bitching :O

 

[ike_ike]

The thing is, all other contests (modelling, skinning, Phoenix Trials, spells, blah) can then be uploaded into Resources and be used by the public. Whereas terraining is a bit of a one-off.

 

[Gilles]

This discussion has gone on too long. It should have been a simple, "yeah Void, your right, we'll change it for the next one".

The next terrain contest will have a raised reward.

~Closed~