GilneasWoman.BLP

[Moderator]

15:00, 15th Apr 2011
shiiK: Cleaning up skins that have been rejected (until updated) for more than a month - moving to rejected permanently due lack of updates since last moderation. No new review of the skin has been made. If you feel that this decission is wrong, or if you want to update the skin, please reply to this PM and I'll work it out for you. As this is a preset message, and I'm just picking up each and every skin in the category, I want to apologize beforehand if this clutters your inbox.

20:30, 12th Dec 2010
shiiK: Read my moderation comment(s) before you update this again.

13:00, 5th Dec 2010

shiiK: I honestly wonder where this roughly 75% freehand you speak of is located. I see you've changed the upper part of the gown, around her chest, and that you've recoloured a few other parts. Beyond that, you've done nothing to satisfy the criteria for approval.

I suggest you wipe the entire original skin, make it grey, and then work your way from scratch to remake the Gilnean villager. The chest part, the one that you freehanded, is entirely flat. You've done no shading to it. The buttons you've made are yellow, while I think they are made of gold, bronze or copper in the concept. The bodice is dark grey, with a tint of blue, in the concept, while yours is a bleak grey that is slightly too bright. The lower part of the gown is brown, like the Lordaeron villager's gown, with some hints of grey recolour. The concept, however, has a slightly green, but mostly dark grey, gown with a white piece of cloth hanging from the waist. Furthermore, the woman in the concept has covered arms and red hair.

The main issue, however, is not really the choice of base colours, but the lack of depth and definition - not to mention you've kept most of the original skin. There's so much more you can do, yet you deny the very possibility to change any more.

14:06, 30th Nov 2010

shiiK: Inadequate amount of freehand and originality. Rejected.

 

[darkdeathknight]

This look way too similar to original.

 

[varsaigen]

This look way too similar to original.

Yeah, well, not much to change on a still-human villager. Only difference are the clothes, and the hairband, really. Oh, and her breasts are covered better, making her more decent.

Other than the "uncreativity" of it, what can I change to improve it? But who knows? It might prove useful in a Worgen/Gilneas map. The dress and everything is based upon a Gilnean NPC

 

[darkdeathknight]

Well, I don't really know what a Gilneas woman is so I can't really help you.
Maybe you could lightly make thread weaves on the clothes? I don't really know.

 

[varsaigen]

Well, I don't really know what a Gilneas woman is so I can't really help you.
Maybe you could lightly make thread weaves on the clothes? I don't really know.

Ah! Finally! Here is the picture I wanted to show you as proof. The one I used is third woman. (Going from left to right)

 

[Sellenisko]

I recommend - change the hair color - to the black color. Gilneas is now dark place, i think black haired villager would match perfectly.

 

[varsaigen]

I recommend - change the hair color - to the black color. Gilneas is now dark place, i think black haired villager would match perfectly.

Maybe on the next variation. From what I saw in Cataclysm, there were a lot of people with brown-ish hair. Besides, with black hair, it is harder to see the detail, and might as well be a black blur at a distance. :/

Maybe it can be a bit darker, but I don't want to make it too dark, or we won't see it at all.

 

[darkdeathknight]

But if you so black, you can do shiny white highlights.
The woman on the right has a beard...and is muscly. :O
Yeah, just do more proper texture for the cloth.

 

[Misha]

oho.. nice to see a skin from you var

but yeah.. it isn't that much edited so it wouldn't fit hive standards, maybe you should add something more

 

[varsaigen]

It's kind of hard to put in a cloth texture without making it look like a potato sack, in my experiance. So I'm not sure exactly what it is you want me to do.

And I really don't see any beard on her what so ever. I didn't change the face.

 

[darkdeathknight]

That was a joke, about the beard. Cos the ref image has a man on the right.
Im not sure how to make it look like cloth, but ask a pro or something. I'm not good at cloth-stuff as well.

 

[-Grendel]

isn't this rejected?

 

[varsaigen]

isn't this rejected?

Until I improve it. But I don't see why it would still be rejected if I continue to improve it. I've made sure to freehand roughly 75% of it. But really, how much more original could one be with the Villager Female model?

How do I know it isn't completely rejected? Because I found it in the "Until Fixed" list for skins. So there is still a chance of getting it approved.

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On another note... it would be helpful to inform me on what exactly I can improve on, other than "more freehand". Shadows, edges between colors like brown and white, coloration, etc.

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Oddly, when I look at other skins, I see more comments critiquing it. This thread seems to be full of silly... It's just... odd. Oo

As for origionality... I noticed that there were only 7 other Villager Female skins on Hive. Only two of those were in the same role as a villager, and some of the others were royalty. So, I do not see how having another villager skin would hurt. It looks nothing like the others, and they were taken with good reception.

 

[FriendlyHost]

looks the same as the original.. why would anyone download this?

 

[darkdeathknight]

The main reason why everyone is say this looks the same as original is the colour. Even though now it would be different to the concept, it will have to be changed.

 

[varsaigen]

looks the same as the original.. why would anyone download this?

As the origional what? The villager texture blizzard made? Or the origional Gilneas texture I made, where the dress lacked freehand? All of her clothes are now fully free-handed. I didn't mess with the face, for fear of screwing it up. But really, if there is no point of downloading such a skin, why would anyone else want to download the other villager skins that fulfill the same purpose as this?

Gilneas, as a nation of its own, has different styles, and customs than Lordaeron has. Thus, the clothes will be different. Do I really need to give a comparison?

Well here you go. -.-

Does she look just like the Blizzard counterpart? -.- As for the first version of the skin, this is more detailed, with more free-hand in it. Just like with the seven other female villager skins.

The main reason why everyone is say this looks the same as original is the colour. Even though now it would be different to the concept, it will have to be changed.

So... what colors do you propose? Bright reds and yellows? Or a dreary black (already used by another skin)? It wouldn't really be based upon a Gilnean dress if I didn't stay true to the design and colors, right? Dark colors fit Gilneas, and dark colors, this one has. Tell me, what do I need to change to make it acceptable? (not just "colors" but specifics so I can try to match it)

 

[Misha]

the problem is that we have too needy community, always demanding 200% freehand, like.. redone hair, freehanded dress, redone face, redone arms, shadows and highlights maxed, and even redone pupils Overkill much?

yeah you can whine about it as much as you want, but if you don't see the usefulness of the skin... well too bad for you



back to the topic, since i followed the making of this skin on msn, i can say you did a lot more than it was before, var =)

 

[AIagremm]

I like this skin, but I do agree, black hair would fit much better ^^

Tis a good one Var

 

[darkdeathknight]

Gilneas, as a nation of its own, has different styles, and customs than Lordaeron has. Thus, the clothes will be different. Do I really need to give a comparison?

Well here you go. -.-
View attachment 93615
Does she look just like the Blizzard counterpart? -.- As for the first version of the skin, this is more detailed, with more free-hand in it. Just like with the seven other female villager skins.


So... what colors do you propose? Bright reds and yellows? Or a dreary black (already used by another skin)? It wouldn't really be based upon a Gilnean dress if I didn't stay true to the design and colors, right? Dark colors fit Gilneas, and dark colors, this one has. Tell me, what do I need to change to make it acceptable? (not just "colors" but specifics so I can try to match it)

Look man, I was just trying to help. I don;t know what colours you need, I don't know what a Gillean or whatever is. Im just saying maybe you should consider changing colour was because most people, think its too similar to the original.

 

[Misha]

Look man, I was just trying to help. I don;t know what colours you need, I don't know what a Gillean or whatever is. Im just saying maybe you should consider changing colour was because most people, think its too similar to the original.

haven't he already said that this is just changing of the dress? you sir, haven't even read his posts correct..

 

[AIagremm]

He judges, not even knowing what a Gilnean is? Oo

 

[Cavman]

could do a higher contrast on the face to hair. Make her skin a little paler, and her hair near black. Could freehand all the hair and parts of the face. Also maybe turn the brown parts that kinda dark grey green, free handed of course.

 

[varsaigen]

could do a higher contrast on the face to hair. Make her skin a little paler, and her hair near black. Could freehand all the hair and parts of the face. Also maybe turn the brown parts that kinda dark grey green, free handed of course.

finally! specifics! I'll see if I can do that.

 

[Cavman]

finally! specifics! I'll see if I can do that.

You're welcome. Just want to see this skin turn out cool, cause if it does it would work great in/on the female Worgen villager model I have in the making.

 

[varsaigen]

You're welcome. Just want to see this skin turn out cool, cause if it does it would work great in/on the female Worgen villager model I have in the making.

Dang. You and I are on the same page. XD This skin was a byproduct of the Worgen villager I've been making XD This way, I can simply add in a fur texture, and if I have this on a model instead of just as a skin, the worgen will be able to switch between human and worgen forms, and have both skins avaliable.

 

[darkdeathknight]

haven't he already said that this is just changing of the dress? you sir, haven't even read his posts correct..

I said maybe change the COLOUR of the dress. I did not say "you only changed the dress"

He judges, not even knowing what a Gilnean is? Oo

I dont have to know what it is, if I'm judging something in general.I meant that I don't know the lore. I saw his Concept image so I know what it's supposed to look like. When I said to change the colour of the dress because sometimes its better to slightly deviate from the original.
If you dont like that maybe choose another one of the people in the screenshot and do their skin.

 

[varsaigen]

Current WIP. Let's see what you guys think of it now. I think I like how Cavman's suggesstion turned out.


For some odd reason, there is a brown line running up the middle of her hair. I can't seem to find it anywhere on the texture. It simply appears on the model. :/

 

[Cavman]

Current WIP. Let's see what you guys think of it now. I think I like how Cavman's suggesstion turned out.
View attachment 93958

For some odd reason, there is a brown line running up the middle of her hair. I can't seem to find it anywhere on the texture. It simply appears on the model. :/

the line is probably the top of the hair on the texture, against her face's part. Just extend the gray/blackness up a little over the bottom couple pixels. Also, looking good!

Also would suggest some more definition on the buttons. Kinda flat at the moment.

 

[darkdeathknight]

The shirt is slightly a bit too dark.

 

[varsaigen]

ah. ok. Since the head (half a face on the texture) is up against the border, I don't know just how easy it will be fixed. :/

I can make the shirt lighter. I was wondering if it was too dark, as well. :/

Edit: It would appear that the brown line cannot be fixed. No brown exists anywhere near the hair or face, so I am baffled as to HOW it could still be there. (This makes no sense! D

 

[Cavman]

ah. ok. Since the head (half a face on the texture) is up against the border, I don't know just how easy it will be fixed. :/

I can make the shirt lighter. I was wondering if it was too dark, as well. :/

Edit: It would appear that the brown line cannot be fixed. No brown exists anywhere near the hair or face, so I am baffled as to HOW it could still be there. (This makes no sense! D

Take a screen shot of where the brown shows up and I'll check where it it on the wrap.

 

[varsaigen]

Here is what it currently looks like. I darkened the hair some more, and lightened up her shirt.


And here is that disgusting stripe on her head. The further away you get, the brighter, and more obvious it becomes. It's like a bright light shining for the world to see :c

 

[takakenji]

make her dress black

 

[varsaigen]

then it'd be too dark. It used to be brown, and a dark gray was too monotnous for the rest of the clothes, so now, with Cavman's suggesstions, it has a more olige-green tint. I think it looks better that way.

Besides, it would be almost impossible to show thew shading if it were black. (And sacridshadow points out: "She's not going to a funeral")

 

[Cavman]

then it'd be too dark. It used to be brown, and a dark gray was too monotnous for the rest of the clothes, so now, with Cavman's suggesstions, it has a more olige-green tint. I think it looks better that way.

Besides, it would be almost impossible to show thew shading if it were black. (And sacridshadow points out: "She's not going to a funeral")

The green/grey adds some needed color variation too. Also, found where the brown is located on the wrap.

Got an idea though, Try changing the TC for the model to something like blue or green in what ever program you use to view the model. See if that changes the stripe.

 

[varsaigen]

The green/grey adds some needed color variation too. Also, found where the brown is located on the wrap.

Got an idea though, Try changing the TC for the model to something like blue or green in what ever program you use to view the model. See if that changes the stripe.

TC changing didn't alter the stripe. And last I checked, the spot where the stripe is wrapped from is black as well. :/

As for the gray and green, what sort of variation are we talking about?

Edit: Ah. found the brown. It was a 1 pixel wide bar across the hair that I missed from when I desaturated the hair to give it the gray color, and darkened it.

Edit 2: ... for some odd reason, I have managed to color it black, yet it remains brown on the model. But it I slap on a massive amount of black over the area, it copies this black blob onto the model successfully... This is messed up.... :c

 

[Cavman]

TC changing didn't alter the stripe. And last I checked, the spot where the stripe is wrapped from is black as well. :/

As for the gray and greedn, what sort of variation are we talking about?

No, was saying that the grey/greed adds it, not that you needed to add more.

 

[varsaigen]

No, was saying that the grey/green adds it, not that you needed to add more.

ah. I think I misread it as "I need to add more variation" rather than the colors help display the model better...

 

[Cavman]

ah. I think I misread it as "I need to add more variation" rather than the colors help display the model better...

Yeah. And one more idea. the bottom few pixel layers and the top few of the hair, right where that brown is, put a filter over it and make those layers all greyscale. See if that helps.

 

[varsaigen]

Yeah. And one more idea. the bottom few pixel layers and the top few of the hair, right where that brown is, put a filter over it and make those layers all greyscale. See if that helps.

that did it. thanks

 

[Cavman]

yay!

 

[Misha]

heh, you add more and more cool details with each update

 

[CloudWolf]

Wow Thats an incredible improvement from the previous version

I like how you've captured the Victorian style that Gilneas seems to have. The only minor thing I could suggest is making the skin a little darker in the shadowed areas, for example, under the arm and a little more definition on the "waves" of her dress

Other than that though, top notch skin sir! I'm voting for this to be approved in its current state

 

[varsaigen]

Wow Thats an incredible improvement from the previous version

I like how you've captured the Victorian style that Gilneas seems to have. The only minor thing I could suggest is making the skin a little darker in the shadowed areas, for example, under the arm and a little more definition on the "waves" of her dress

Other than that though, top notch skin sir! I'm voting for this to be approved in its current state

Can do!

And thanks! ^^

 

[RiotZ]

It looks very well made, perfect shading and such, if I were a mod this would be a 4\5.

But what the hell is this freehand everyone is talking about!? The hell if no, but it doesn't look like a recolor to me.

 

[DeadBoss]

It's very good texture, and it's much better from the original Blizzard's texture.