Defenders of the Light 0.58 (SD Reforged Update)

[Lenneth]

I don't remember the correct answer but here's the 3 parts of the password , there's 6 possibilities so you should figure it out

Spoiler

ta ka wa

 

[Ryan26]

ThinhHo, I created a profile just so I could comment. I've been playing Defenders of the Light for a couple weeks now, and I just wanted to say THANK YOU. I love this campaign. I've tried about 10+ different custom campaigns now, but they're all missing what I really craved, which is to focus solely on hero/unit play. The Founding of Durotar was a masterpiece, and I can never find a campaign that lives up to it. Yours is very well done. OH, and on a side note, that cinematic that plays showing the Blood Feather clan fighting the demon? That shit was EPIC, dude. lol After hearing classical music during the whole game up to that point, then hearing the techno/rock song queue up and the dialogue that ensued?! Craftfully done! I was grinning the whole time. Excellent work all around, and thanks for the hard work.

 

[DamascoAe]

Im stuck in the main quest Water of Purity.....The collecting of 20 spider crab meatheeeelp

 

[witchdoctor]

The mage in Adenvale city need Staff of Renavant to give more infomation but I already sold it, sadly. May I can have it again, or have to replay campaign

 

[felixng2012]

Im stuck in the main quest Water of Purity.....The collecting of 20 spider crab meatheeeelp

Make sure to turn off iseedeadpeople cheat as the crabs wont respawn if its active. Go along the coast and farm the crabs there

 

[felixng2012]

The mage in Adenvale city need Staff of Renavant to give more infomation but I already sold it, sadly. May I can have it again, or have to replay campaign

Sadly thats my only complaint about this campaign is the inventory problem.

I would love to just dump any item i find into stash in case it is useful but since we have very limited space we have to either drop a useful item to make room for an item that isnt too useful or leave it there.

And it would be very annoying to transfer back to old map to get it. Sometimes I dropped items in random spot too so I don't remember where it is if i find out its useful later lol.

 

[witchdoctor]

Sadly thats my only complaint about this campaign is the inventory problem.

I would love to just dump any item i find into stash in case it is useful but since we have very limited space we have to either drop a useful item to make room for an item that isnt too useful or leave it there.

And it would be very annoying to transfer back to old map to get it. Sometimes I dropped items in random spot too so I don't remember where it is if i find out its useful later lol.

So I replayed the campaign just to find the Staff for him, and guest what, he need " Mana Stone" this time, What the .....!!!

 

[felixng2012]

So I replayed the campaign just to find the Staff for him, and guest what, he need " Mana Stone" this time, What the .....!!!

Spoiler: Location of mana stone

You can find that on the murloc map in the top left, you have to use flame strike staff to destroy the trees to get it. Let me know the reward for all of this. Feels like its not worth the effort lol

 

[sunabokori]

Exeptionnaly well made campaign for what i have played,i didn't get captivated at such for a long time by a Warcraft3 Custom map or campaign since Tomoraider's Curse of the Forsaken and Rise of The Blood Elves, i have finished the main story with heroes at level 34+ but i haven't done every map (not the most hidden at least).
@ThinhHo thank you for giving us this Masterpiece ,it is quite inspiring ,even if is not exempt of kind of errors or bugs of sort.
Waiting with impatience The Second Act

T

 

[ThinhHo]

Hi everyone,

Ever since this campaign was uploaded, I haven't got time to open the World Editor to work on the campaign. My time is really tight at the moment. It's hard to find time to even reply to your messages. Though I have read all of your amazing comments. I thank you greatly for playing this campaign. I'm happy to have created something that you guys can enjoy.

The hidden text below is my reply to @deepstrasz's review on the campaign. If you haven't completed the campaign or if you don't want to be spoiled by even the little things in this campaign, I suggest you not reading the text.

SPOILER, Reply to deepstrasz's review

Spoiler: Review

Spoiler: beginning scene

1. -you can quickly take the potion of lesser healing after placing it on the circle
2. -nice touch with the dummy items as being actually references to HiveWorkshop mappers

Spoiler: home

1. -from what I understand Hao Hao is a product name for noodles?
2. -the CTRL+1 (control group) is lost after the first quest; you could have just disabled the spells and enabled them afterwards instead of replacing the hero with another unit copy. I don't remember him being without the hammer so I don't really see why even have the need for another unit. The damage is useless anyway because you don't need it for the first quest.
   
3. -Adias' spells are pretty regular. Storm Bolt has its icon edited for some reason even though the spell is the same except for mana cost. You could at least edit them with triggers to make things more interesting and not repetitive. I mean Storm Bolt and Healing Wave are a big part of the Rexxar campaign. Or you could import custom made ones: Spells | HIVE
4. -Buri is basically the Blood Mage... also, hasn't he got an ultimate? Why need to use two spells for mana transfer when you could use siphon mana for that too? Not quite suitable for a paladin, these spells are. For one following the Light that is. Also, Flame Strike's icon, changed but not the spell too.
   
5. -completed quest: Dave Munshi? But I haven't even started it. I just met the dude.
6. -why is Tommy calling Adias pop? That means father
7. -permanent immolation kills things even Paul

Spoiler: little village

1. -centaurs in Lordaeron/Azeroth?
2. -now I realized that Buri only has 3 levels for spells while Adias 8 and 3 for the ultimate. Buri is supposed to be played with for a while then.
3. -I think Vicar did not have a yellow ! over his head before meeting the footman.
4. -maybe you should mention as a game text what the reward is from quest characters? I think Vicar gave gold but I didn't see any indication other than the value up top.
5. -NPCs could have the ? over their heads after the requirement is done and the protagonist needs to return to them.
6. -only Adias can give the vial. That's a bit annoying.
7. -still have to find the chicken. I assume it's in the south level; oh, it's the one from Dave but I thought it was roasted or something; it's like they're eating it raw; same, only Adias can give the chicken even if the trigger asks when the item is on another hero
   
8. -I refuse to kill the dogs! What the hell man!? What kind of stupid quest is this, out of the blue with no proper reason? If you hate them, it's your problem, not the player's; at least make them rabid (attacking enemy units) that you have to kill because they are a danger to the village

Spoiler: dark wood

1. -after the scene with Akiba and the lost city, Buri was instantly moved to the start of the level
2. -the statue protection doesn't work all the time; the zombies might come near the generator and stay a while fighting then return to the place they came from; yeah, the statue is pretty useless, it even changed facing after game load to 300 something degrees.
   
3. -Buri is quite annoying for a melee hero with such low hit points, especially with Death Coils everywhere
4. -Lightning Storm=Starfall; a large area (description) makes you believe you select where to cast not that it's around the hero
5. -the necromancer complete? I don't remember having that quest from anyone
6. -the orb of corruption does not lower armour if carried by Darak
7. -so, you're a StarCraft (II) fan? Two Easter eggs in the same map
8. -well the problem with the circles is that they are waygates; you should have made them like in the dungeon because in dark wood you just have to click somewhere on the map and the hero knows through which circle to go to get to Assan
9. -survive for... but you don't get full hp... actually, it doesn't quite matter with so many zerg
   
10. -hurt undead by normal means? Or the undead used magic to injure Assan?
11. -the chain lightning item's icon=the chain lightning spell's
12. -I've used a Kochuba (?) herb before meeting the Shaman. I hope there are enough for the quest
13. -shouldn't your heroes be restored after each battle in the arena vs the ghost warriors? (also, you could make them transparent with change unit's vertex colouring trigger); it's not like that makes you play with each separately while the others regenerate because those out of the area are paused
    
14. -Anub'arak should cast Locust Swarm earlier not when nearing death
15. -problem is Thrall is really weak (doesn't summon wolves); I think you should make the heroes stronger; Uther is the best of the first three only because of the 45s Divine Shield
16. -so, it's the same heroes each time depending on your heroes? Oh... you have to play with the same hero in a row but it's a pain to wait for regeneration each time.... plus, I don't remember having been told about this; or not? It's just random? I'm confused...
    
17. -you don't have to also kill Rexxar's summons to win the fight
18. -if one of your heroes (example Darak) dies in the hero vs ghost hero challenge, the fight should immediately end (even if the spirit wolves are still there?)
19. -so I don't get it, this challenge is only for experience?
20. -the tauren doesn't have reincarnation
21. -oh yeah, music played through music channel please including the orc theme (I don't remember if it was here or in the barrows when meeting the orcs)
22. -those shades are horribly annoying mostly because they respawn; now I got to use one slot for the invisibility detecting item if I can remember where the shop selling it was... good thing, I just ignore them and run past; I usually storm bolted the ones that didn't respawn in previous maps; many things are ok if you have the right level to resist
    
23. -the ! over the living tree is horizontal
24. -why make it so that players select the units with the ! while one of their heroes is near them for interaction instead of just coming near them; to interact again, you have to leave the region/get a bit away from the NPC and come back again to it
25. -living tree quest completed? I had not discovered it yet. Who was supposed to give it? I met the tree though... Well, it should have appeared after speaking to it
    
26. -so, you're just supposed to kill the Maiden of Pain during the day without the unit attacking to get a tome? I thought it might have been a quest, some interaction, I don't know...

Spoiler: glowing cave

1. -you can see the enemy in the darkness if the healthbars are on and/or move the mouse over them and/or press F10; chain lightning them and they don't come to the heroes in the light but only some; or Darak might attack them bringing them to you
2. -from what I can see, an issue with the respawning system is that enemies appear in greater numbers in time
3. -during the meeting with Kaleo, the heroes moved and should have stopped; they were touching the golem
4. -not too nice to not be able to finish the lil' map in one go; basically you finish part of the map, then have to return later when you're stronger; it's a bit annoying if you have to remember this since quests are not ported on every map (which is good in terms of not cluttering and confusing the player but might make you forget about those in some maps if you don't note them somewhere)

Spoiler: lonely island

1. -trial and error, can't dodge turtles especially if it's night and they follow the ship until it sinks
2. -makruras stun for too long. I don't have time to heal Buri... even with the three heroes, the stun is annoying because the Makruras also summon multiple units and imagine fighting more than one abomination at once... the trick is to fight them either alone or with Darak and a melee hero only but they might still stun and summon before dying; well, you could always kill them fast with spells if you have enough mana; wait... there's a cooldown before they do it but you have to be extra careful to the abolish magic FX to realize when to move back
   
3. -I don't think they knew of stroke back then
4. -boats move too slow; it's a waste of time
5. -flying palms, sea cliff living ones (see pic)
6. -well, keeping one hero on the switch not only makes you lose manpower but more importantly experience; the bigger annoyance is the distance between the switch and the place to go to; because of this, it's better to let your heroes die to get them to the points together
7. -should the gargantuan sea turtles have 20/200 mana in the middle zone/temple/fort?; one of them had, that which was right at the entrance to the right
   
8. -by the way, you should remove/change the armour and damage type texts if they don't follow Warcraft III's
9. -permanently opening the two gates got me thinking you can feed the statues with all heroes at once
10. -the whole of the statues room should be visible because it's a waste of time to get to the edges to see if any egg is spawned there
11. -it's annoying that the upgrades are outside where the enemy is...
12. -"farming" simulator, so much gold for upgrades for a potion of mana after keeping the statues fed all that time in the countdwn? I understand that if you don't finish in time but... Another great quest; this wouldn't be that bad if players wouldn't have to actually spend that much gold on it... anyways, I'm not gonna waste time on it any more; if you like gambling, good for you, I hate it; when I design a game, it's not for people to waste time but relax, have a good time but of course, gamblers will have a great time
    
13. -if you reset the camera accidentally with DEL/DELETE you can't put it back up (statues room)

Spoiler: shimmer wood

1. -instead of Quests (title) the level name should be written there.
2. -you can use Solaire to get past Balaro and get the items in the back
3. -not sure if bears should be in the centaur camp or not
4. -when Edenvale folk talk to the heroes about the Sasquatches, there's one shot that shows the roof of a house as the main interest of the camera. It wouldn't be that bad if it didn't last so long and also being able to see through the roof.
5. -the items from Solaire should drop after the unit changes ownership
6. -I was leaving but I was welcomed to Edenvale
7. -how can Adias see the pressure plate? Over the gate?
8. -I think you need to set the undead units to neutral so their level will show when clicking on them too.
9. -sometimes creeps just run somewhere else during fights.
10. -what does Alpha mean on mercenaries? Are thee stronger versions or? I think they're like the WoW elites?
11. -thank the creator for mercenaries as they make things faster
12. -killing the corruptor won't make Balaro step aside
13. -some buffs are shared by more items like the Healing Salve's with Life Gem's although not both items are non-combat consumable
14. -dungeons are a pain without mercs
15. -I suggest notifying the player of the recommended level/power for each map
16. -would be nice for units to also have QWERT hotkeys for their spells
17. -not gonna burn Buri's body? What if he gets raised? Actually, why didn't they raise him?
    
18. -optional quest completed: Find Buri. It wasn't even discovered
19. -I hope Insurgent isn't Talia...
    
20. -Chen was teleported to the north of the map after finding Buri; the first time it did not happen

Spoiler: murloc caves

-first time I engaged the murloc boss it attacked and only after some time ran south; after load it ran from the start; that murloc is awfully annoying... running from north to south and the other way around without engaging for more than a few seconds; maybe it wouldn't be that bad if there weren't any other murlocs spawning constantly plus that killer poison... even with three heroes Darak may die because of the poison and the murloc escape due to very fast movement speed and regeneration; I had to use many summoned units to trap the creature and of course storm bolt; there was no shortcut made, the trees in the south where the gold was, were still there

Spoiler: edenvale city

1. -after finishing the mathematician's quest, another calculation appeared and then it told me I was too slow and that I lost
2. -wonder how those ships got there with all those bridges
3. -what about a packhorse instead of a static stash?
4. -creatures in the barracks should be placed in strength order. For instance, the Abomination is much more stronger than the centaur
5. -intended or not, experience is shared between the heroes if they are close enough while one of them engages in the arena; plus you can use Buri to cast stuff from behind the ring wall
6. -buffs should be removed and spells reset after an arena fight
7. -kept Buri on the runes and chose the monster, the text said it was a battle for two but Buri wasn't ported to the arena; maybe it only works on betas? Nope, same thing...
   
8. -heroes die in the arena; shouldn't they just reset and the player lose gold?
9. -shouldn't the Holy Order avatar spawn with full mana?
10. -after finishing the arena quest on alpha, betas don't give you any gold for winning; might it be because the avatar kills the units?
11. -I suggest only updating the crab meat number in the quest log; it's annoying to cover the screen with quest messages
12. -one of the sheep remained green after the 4th round... even after a new game; playing this during the night is ill advised; it's quite a pain much like the one with mathematics; a problem is that they appear too fast and maybe it would not be much of a problem if other colours would not appear at the same time too because they distract; the green one turned white when it was its turn to become green again; the trick is to look in the middle and use the peripheral vision at least it works most times; the last two are horror; wasting so much time for an ankh and a potion of mana? Really? What a rewarding quest...
    
13. -Musko has Healing Wave too? Is he a Paladin, or Holy/Light Order trainee too?
14. -funny thing is that there were no bandits soth before
15. -make sure to have units invulnerable like the sheep just in case any player decides to randomly kill NPCs
16. -the green gateway on the minimap should appear in the north after the magic line markings appear
17. -Musko is on a horse but the character's movement speed is average, slower than the other heroes' with boots of speed on otherwise it'd be the same, I think
    
18. -honestly the bandits are so weak you don't even need healing unless you're a lower level of course but well until you reach this place, you're pretty stuffed up. The bandits should all attack together, instead they can be drawn few by few
19. -why not make the key from Thompson a variable so you'd not have to waste space carrying it?
20. -same with the delicious crab food... man this is annoying to have to exchange the item using the stash

Spoiler: edendale dungeon+Arthas room+Throne Room

1. -weird that they'd waste time on tests instead of hastily going to search for the king
2. -"The light is with us! I curse you!"
3. -they're sacrificing their own soldiers?
4. -Elmrom looked as if he was actually waiting there but he should have not because finishing the trial isn't waiting
5. -I was on round 5 for the door-circles puzzle and failed it but the doors opened; actually, you only need to select the first circle, the door opens and then it doesn't matter if you fail
   
6. -the Pandaren is the weakest of the heroes; doesn't use mana at all...
7. -the key of the optional quest doesn't work anywhere unless it's in a place I can't reach yet for some reason; the secret key is used on the doors for the generators at the start of the level but those doors I've destroyed before...
   
8. -oh... but how're you supposed to know the generators in the beginning of the level will become vulnerable? Hopefully you can destroy them in time without the avatar
   
9. -some elevators (with magic barriers) are bugged; you can get off them while they're higher than others (see pic); there are more than 1; or is that the reverse way they're supposed to work? But sometimes you can walk on those which are on the same level; this is confusing; I just did a clicking fest to get out of there; feels pretty useless that you don't get anything but a "shortcut" to the north of the map; plus, it would be faster not to do the puzzle
   
10. -ok, but the treasure is protected by a barrier; do I need to return to this level with something? Actually, you can just pass through it
11. -many rooms in this map could look prettier
12. -fighting Arthas isn't quite hard if you attack the hero fast enough not to shoot the big damage spell again
13. -that level's minimap looks like a lion. Stormwind!?
14. -do you get anything out of that not saving the game achievement?
15. -right, waste more time sending a letter; as if no one else could...
16. -would make for replayability: deciding which hero to choose not having the Pandaren automatically
17. -not all heroes were present in the dungeon trials by the way
18. -right, so there's no one else but guards and soldiers to send for a piano fixer
19. -I hope you've credited the doodad paintings (Easter egg images)
20. -did you make the throne room map or is it a template. It's really lovely!
21. -you could change the hue of some icons to differentiate them, example: cloak of flames and fire
22. -no info in the library ?
23. -fighting the heroes in the dungeon again after the trial!?

Spoiler: shimmer coast

1. -the grunt should not decay during the scene
2. -these blacksmiths or artisans or whatchamacallit are in places with high danger; the other one in the Dark Wood with the undead...
3. -why use the same doodads (barrels), some being invulnerable, some not? I suggest a different model or hue for differentiation
4. Tojara is weak
   
5. -while fighting the tentacles, the camera is annoying because it's locked and you can't really see too well
6. -what about south and north grunt in the leaderboard; i know it's pretty obvious but still D:
7. -those sunken monsters shouldn't regenerate so fast... the battle is quite annoying at first because the place is cluttered: wolves+sludges and Darak gets hit easily by the tentacles and sunken monsters but once you kill the first 1-2 monsters, it gets soft; trick is to kill the tentacles quick and shock the sunkens
8. -the kraken(s?) (or whatever it was supposed to be) wasn't supposed to be sent by the undead (team name) I guess since Insurgent said the Fire Demon shouldn't have killed so many orcs
9. -Fury Dash is useful; it's not like you have to run after someone/something; I suggest it increase attack speed instead
10. -the hidden hydra in the north is weaker than the one in the south so it's only for the bullet that you'd get the trees down... I don't use bullets anyway because of insufficient inventory space and because they'd be too powerful; might as well put a stronger creature there that fits the forest theme

Spoiler: barrows

1. -Duplicate name/unit and lookalike (even size) level 9 Thunder Lizard but with different stats? Same with those levelled 13
2. -those lizards are too many from the start
   
3. -you can get through doodads to pass to the western exit from the nearby eastern orc camp (see pic)
4. -I suggest respawns be greater in number depending on hero level not on how many times you've killed the spawned; but yeah, they also spawn too fast in some places too
   
5. -can't have mercs and sappers at the same time... Well, I only use the sappers for the trees anyway... don't think anyone uses them to kill units
6. -should thunder lizard eggs still drop after you've found one?
7. -the warlock in the middle of the other two turned itself into a fel beast and died quicker or did it happen after it died, I couldn't tell because it happened very fast because I've cast Acid Bomb on the warlock?
8. -the shimmerweed just appears from out of nowhere, it moves from region to region or it was there near the two warlocks to the southeast all along? I found it where the lizards immediately northeast from where the last warlock was after I killed the unit (the second warlock from the west to the east)
9. -there's an issue with orbs on Darak; now, not even the one of darkness works anymore...
10. -worth it, Drek'thar said, right... it's just a useless healing potion, not even a permanent stat giving tome. And no, it wasn't one of the most time eating quests. That's for the Lonely Island's
11. -small units (like the Shaman and Witch Doctor) can get through doodads (see pic); they can get through most if not all of these rocks on the map
12. -do the eggs and shimmerweed found gather somehow for the player not to get one of each then go to Drek'thar but to be able to create more potions at the same time?
13. -I suggest different colours for runes so you won't either click them by accident thinking it's healing or mana or waste time hovering over/clicking the runes to see what they are; it's annoying when you accidentally get spirit link on low hp mercs like sappers, shamans etc.
14. -blind eh? That's why they keep shooting mana burn?
15. -maybe a faster way to travel between maps (directly from here to edendale) with zeppelins?

Spoiler: long pass

1. -wait a minute, there are only 8 levels in the hero spell descriptions but actually more to choose
2. -now, I really am angry for wasting 9k gold on the statues...
3. -Arthas chain lightning, for real?
4. -Lord Wood is running all over the place; found him again fighting Sasquatches and ran again somewhere to through the undead base in the southwest; he came back with a group and killed the bastard; wait, this one was level 3; afterwards the other one with level 9 came back and killed that one too... third level Laron Wood again. Do they die and revive at an altar? It could be an issue with that because the hero might be summoned again instead of revived? I don't know...
   
5. -after the meat wagon zone you can go west through the trees toward north and do your stuff while the wagons remain there; of course the same undead come from time to time (see pic); not to mention you could potentially do this with sappers too; went my way and killed everything beforehand
   
6. -hehe, they're actually rebuilding, not for long! "Purge!"
   
7. -Laron Wood without an army doesn't know what to do, moves aimlessly from a direction to the other; happened in the main undead base
   
8. -treants belong to the undead?
9. -shouldn't the requirement be for Musko and/or Arthas (depending on which you choose) not to die too? Or are they also revived for the AI?
10. -Arthas did not leave all the artifacts I've put on the hero
11. -too bad there's no stash here; it's a pity to lose those items which you could put on a future hero but well, I guess the player'll have to let go; taking one at a time to edenvale would be...

Spoiler: Stormhaul

1. -why do Rum for a Friend and Broken Piano appear on every map?
2. -shouldn't enemy towers give you more gold? They don't give at all :|
3. -I was doing quite fine, the titans I could have handled on and on, at least I think
4. -Arthas didn't say anything to Adias after finishing the titans quest (hide and seek completed too)
5. -indeed, Gryphons require a Castle to be trained
6. -so titans give me +300 but I don't get it? What's this? Actually, I'm not getting any more money even though +gold appears after I kill enemies... (maybe because I've trained one demolisher and researched its upgrades!?)
7. -should make the titans another colour on the map as they can be confused with the orcs when they go out of their base
8. -you can reach Glearing Shore by just running through their base; I thought you'd have to finish them here first and then be able to go there

Spoiler: Glearing Shore

1. -Arthas was daydreaming or did the titans just appeared out of nowhere? Because if they did, every hero could die like that...
2. -the artillery units can hit the Akiba wards
3. -I hope I can go back to finish some other optional quests I've left like the one with the molten boss in the dark cave level (dark wood submap)
4. -last StarCraft (epilogue) II level much ?
5. -bested by some infernals? Heh... and I even thought they died too
   
6. -OK, so you can't turn back, it's over; it'd be good to get the heroes back to edenvale and let the player finish all that there is to and then somewhere in edenvale you could click to finish the act; I don't remember being notified that this level will not enable you to return
7. -or I guess Arthas knew the destiny and did not do anything against it?

My Reply
Beginning Scene
- That's the nice trick you found there.

Home
- Yes Hao Hao is a product names for noodels.
- Having the other model without the hammer is a small detailed touch that I spent time on making. There is not much significance in doing so but I did it anyway. Losing your hero control group is also a small thing.
- If you are not aware, the reason I don't do complicated abilities with triggers is because of potential bugs. The more complicated the triggers are, the more bugs the campaign has. W3 has its limit. Adding more triggers like these may break the limit of the campaign. So I decided to create just simple abilities which your heroes can use them in synergy with one another. As you have seen, those abilities work quite well in this campaign in many circumstances.
- There's no Blood Mage in the world of DOTL, so having a Blood Mage's abilities won't make him a Blood Mage. Buri's main purpose in term of gameplay is to support Adias as a mana hero in the beginning of the game. Without him, the game would be hard and tedious in the beginning. The Transfer Mana ability makes him unique. Siphon Mana is quite essential for the kind of hero that he is. If I am to change his abilities, Banish is the ability I would change. It's not that useful. However, I couldn't thought of anything better to replace it. Flame Strike maybe too good for him as a support hero. He's not meant to be an full-on AOE in my opinion, while his Flame Strike can decimate the Murlocs in Den of the Murlocs. Chen should be the one who is capable of that. This is not the world of Warcraft so not many things would be the same as you've known. Paladins in this world aren't always Light-oriented and equipped with Light-abilities.
- Yeah you completed quest Dave Munshi. Quests in this campaign is not like the original ones. Not all of them are meant to be completed nor discovered. Dave Munshi is only one of the hidden quests you'd find. When players miss any quest in this campaign, they shouldn't expect to sweat over it. Quests in this campaign are not to-do list like other campaigns. It may only frustrate you if you treat the quests like one big to-do-list.
- I think it also depends on culture to call pop as a father or not.
- Permanent Immolation kills things even Paul! Wow, thanks for pointing that out.

Little Village
- It is intentional to leave Buri with only 3 lvs for his abilities. And you got it right, he is meant to only played for only a while.
- Buri should be able to give the Vial as well in the next version.
- The Doggy Exterminator quest is totally optional. You don't have to do it. It's even hidden. I made this quest because I felt like making it for fun. I wanted to see how many people would be able to find this quest, or complete it. Every playthrough is different and hidden things like this should bring different experiences to different players. You don't have to like it and you don't have to do it.

Dark Wood
- Like any other maps, I noted all of the bugs that you mentioned. They will be fixed in the next update.
- The statue doesn't protect you actually. Adias just basically told players to avoid the houses and stay close to the statue so that players don't aggro the zombies. It seems like I didn't make it clear enough for you.
- Orbs doesn't work on Darak sometimes when he already carries other orbs with other effects. This is the limitation of the engine and I can't do much about it.
- I'm not a fan of Starcraft. It's just the game I spent the most time with when I was younger. It is also made by Blizzard so may as well give it some credits here.
- You're right about the Circle Gateways. It would require some triggering but it's definitely doable to make them like ones in the dungeon.
- Yeah Undead can be hurt in this campaign. The physical pain they experience is significantly lesser than the livings experience though.
- If players use too many herbs and there are not enough for the quest, then it's their fault. The quests are not all designed to be completed anyway. Depending on how you play it you may have to abandon some quests in the game.
- I could have made heroes to be fully after the ghost battles. However, I didn't want players to abuse the system too much by using the same hero again and again.
- The AI of the Dark Souls are entirely the orignal game's basic AIs. I didn't trigger their AI in this case. This is an optional thing and I didn't want to spend to much time on it programming what abilities heroes should use at what time.
- The Dark Souls heroes are totally random each time and yes it's only for experience.
- I have all music playing through music channel. None of them is played through sound channel. I don't know where and how you got this info from.
- Yeah, the shades are annoying. Some optional maps are annoying too and they are meant to be difficult, annoying and frustrating. They are not meant for casual players who just want to run pass everything. I made maps like this with the Dark Souls mentality in mind. They maps are meant to be hard and tedious just like the Dark Souls series. They are meant for gaming masochists like me.
- About the horizontal ! on the living tree, I tried but couldn't fix it.
- Living Tree quest completed! Yes, it's a hidden quest.
- Yeah, the Maiden of Pain attacking back is a nice touch. I'll consider it. The unit's purpose is only for the tomes.

Glowing Cave
- There might be a bug with the spawning system in this map. I'll take a look into it. The spawning system always has a limit of how many units to spawn in certain areas without over populate those areas.
- The hereos were touching Kaleo during the cinematic? Haha. They must been on queue commands or something. I didn't get this during my playthrough. And yeah, the issue you mention can certain be fixed.
- Yeah this is one of the tedious optional maps if you wonder. Frustration is expected.

Lonely Island
- I agree, the Turtle-dodging system is not perfect.
- YEAH HAHAHA, Makrura Abominations, my favorite custom unit in the game. The stun is long but it's not overpowered. I believe you've found out the trick to fight those guys. Moving away before they cast the stunning spell is the best way to deal with them.
- The switches are annoying and the map is meant to be that way anyway.
- Gargantuan Turtles with mana? Was it intentional? I don't quite remember. Need to check that out.
- Armor/Damage types are the same as the original, the only difference is the Damage Reduction.
- You're right, the whole room should be visible.
- I may reduce the cost of upgrades for the statues. I didn't test this as much so they, as you say, can be greatly overpriced.
- Putting the camera back up... uhm, good idea.

Shimmer Wood
- Aha, using Solaire to get the items in the back of Balaro is quite clever. You don't have to kill Balaro by doing this.
- I'll make the items from Solaire drop next time when the unit changes ownership.
- I thought I et the undead units to neutral with their level displayed. Will check that again.
- It's normal for creeps just run somewhere during fights. It's part of the roaming system.
- When a unit has alpha besides its name, it's two time stronger than the original version. All creeps in the campaign used to have Alpha, Beta, Delta behind their names but I removed them. Players should now notice the difference in creeps' power by their level.
- You're right. It would be nice for all units to have QWER hotkeys for their spells. However, making QWER hotkeys for all units in the campaign requires time and effort. I don't have enough of those factors, so I only applied QWER to the most important units in the campaign.
- Not gonna burn Buri's body? Hah, you're right! I forgot about that. I guess you can safely assume that Adias bring Buri's body to his family later.
- I can see why Chen was teleported to the north of the map after finding Buri. I'll check the triggers and see if I can fix this.

Murloc Caves
Wow, you figured out the way to kill the Emperor! When I created this boss fight I know that it would be an annoying boss fight. That's why it's annoying and optional.

Edenvale City
- A packhorse is even more complicated than a static stash. Would it be invincible? If it dies, keeping all your items for map transfering is quite complicated. The stash system is just spiral up into oblivion. The best thing I can think of for the stash system is that I can add another stash. So now players would have 2 stashes to transfer items between maps instead of only one. It would require a lot of triggering but it's safe to do this.
- Yes experience is shared. We can remove buggs and reset spells in the future version after an areana fight.
- I think I haven't incorporate Buri into the Unit Testing minigame so the modes may not work with him proberly.
- The Holy Order avatar shouldn't spawn with full mana. With the mana transfer ability, players can abuse it to restore Adias' mana every time the avatar get summoned.
- All testing units should give you gold just like any creeps would do even after finishing the arena quest.
- One of the sheep remained green after the 4th round? Wow, this must have happened because the game engine reaches its limit. Sometimes the game cannot go through all of the triggers proberly causing problems like this. It's unfortunate but I can't do nothing about it. The final reward of this quest are not the ankh and a potion of mana. The final reward can only obtained if you complete round 50 of this minigame. As I said, this quest is optional. It may not be for everyone as not everyone has the ability to do it. You may ask how the hell we can reach round 50. It's possible. One of my friends reach round 40 in his second try.
- Yeah, I didn't notice that the sheeps were vulnerable. I'll make them vulnerable in the next update.
- You're right, the bandits are really weak. Maybe we should replace with the alpha (x2) version.
- Making the crab food and the musical core as variables are better than making them as items. Simple but effective, I like it. I'll do it in the next update.

Edenvale Dungeon/King of Edenvale/Throne Room.
- "The light is with us! I curse you!" Huh? I don't get it. Do we have this line in the campaign?
- It's a game after all, so the boss may look like he/she is waiting for you.
- The door opens after you finish round 4. Players can keep playing beyond that point if they want to.
- Chen sometimes would use his mana when he's low on hp. He also uses a potion of healing when you fight him. It would be fun fighting him without item on Adias. I know I made this fight quite simple and it's intentional. The main fight is after him.
- The doors which you destroyed at the start of the dungeon should be invulnerable. I'll fix it in the next version.
- The elevators with magic barriers are not bugged. The pathing of the elevators are supposed to be reversed in someway. I know I changed the numbers in the triggers to "reverse" them but I stil don't know how they work exacty in practice.
- Yes Arthas isn't really hard if you find a way to fight him. You figured it out. Congratulations! One of my friends use hit-and-run on Arthas.
- I intentianlly painted a minimap that looks like the lion. Stormwind, yes, a preference. I did it mainly for artistic purpose haha.
- You don't get anything out of game achiecement btw. The only thing you get out of it is the achievement itself.
- The problem with multiple options of heroes to choose from is that you can't build a good story for them. Chen plays an important character in the story so we can't replace him with anone else.
- The heroes which weren't present in the dungeon trial you can assume that they were already defeated.
- I made the throne room map. It is one of the last maps that got reterrained before public release so it's quality is pretty high. My terraining skills definitely improved after terraining more than 2 dozens maps. When you see parts that look ugly in this campaign, you know when the terrain was made.
- Hues for Cloak of flames and fire? Nice. Thank you. I'll do it.
- I thought of putting info in the library as well. However, after putting everything I needed in there, I found out that there weren't much room left for info.
- Fighting the heroes in the dungeon again after the trial was meant for gameplay purpose even though they are technically no longer in there.

Shimmer Coastal
- You're riht. The grunt should not decay during the scene. That's why the scene always seemed weird to me.
- I'll use different names, color for the barrels which are invulnerable.
- Tojara is a minor boss.
- The Sunken Monster wasn't sent by team undead. I just classified it as an undead enemy.
- Your wolves will gain an ability to increase attack speed when Darak's ability reaches level 8.
- The Light bullets are powerful but they are limited in supply. You're right I can put a stronger creature there. I'll consider it.

The Barrows
- The number of lizards will throw people off at first. Targeting the strong ones in the clusters is the trick to deal with those lizards. When the strong ones are down, the rest are just pieces of cake.
- I didn't set the respawn to be greater in number. I wonder if this was a bug.
- The thunder lizard eggs should still drop after you've found on.
- About the Warlock in the middle, I can't answer your question because I don't know either.
- The Shimmerweed is really random. It also moves, yeah.
- This map was reterrained right before public released so the pathing at some areas are not fully blocked. That's why units can just go through the doodads. I'll spend more time on blocking the pathing on this map.
- You can get a lot more eggs and shimmerweed. The game will store them as variables so that you can create more potions in the future yes.
- I thought of other fast traveling systems for the campaign as well but I like the slow pace of this genre and I wanted to stay true to that.

Longpass Valley
- Heroes have more than 9 levels but there's a limit of how many characters you can type in a box of tooltip. That's why I can only put 8 levels their. Venkolm also suggestted other ways to write the tooltips including the higher lv abilities. However, the power of the of the higher lv abilities are not solid as Act II's still in development and balancing still needs to be done. The power of heroes' abilities increases a lot less once they are above level 8. They are subject to change as Act II is developed. New tooltips for heroes' abilities will be re-implemented once Act II is completed.
- 9k gold on the statues?! Wow, they need some nerfs.
- Arthas Chain Lightning. Yeah, this is not Warcraft 3 you know. This is Defenders of the Light.
- I need to take a look at the enemy hero in this map. He's kinda buggy I'd say.
- You can go through a shortcut, as you did, leave the wagons behind, kill everything beforehand. That's a nice trick you found there. No complaint, I could have done the same thing.
- Treants don't belong to the undead actually. However, that's the only way I could think of to make the undead not attack the Treants. Because the undead is hostile to Neutral Hostile, they will kill every neutral hostile in their vicinity. Another approach is to make the undead treat neutral hostile as neutral. By doing this, the treants and some other units can belong to neutral hostile.
- Arthas and Musko will be revived just like the other heroes when they die.
- Arthas did not leave all the artifacts you've put on him?! It's either the triggers that I need to take a look at or the game reached its limit again.
- Now that I think of it. It would be better to have a stash in this map.

Stormhaul
- Rum for Friend and Broken Piano are universal quests. They require you to travel to other maps to complete the quest. That's why the quests appear in different maps as well. But you are right, they don't have to appear in every single map. I can remove this in the future.
- I don't quite remember. Can building give gold? Now that you mentioned it, I'll see it I can make them give players gold. 200 each would be nice.
- About Titans not giving out money after you complete the quest, that's really weird. They should continue giving you money. There's not even a trigger to stop them from giving you money. It must be something related to the engine.
- Titans with another color seems like a good idea. I'll consider it.
- Yeah you can just run through the undead base to reach Glaring Shore. You can make it a challenge by destroying all of the building if you want.

Glaring Shore
- The titans were summon by the boss. There can be many explanation for your point. Maybe the boss just wanted Arthas afterall. Maybe Arthas was unlucky when the titans' spawn locations were right next to him. Maybe we can skip through all of the reasoning I just accept that Arthas is meant to die.
- The artillery units can hit the Akiba wards? Wow, that should not happen. Added into to-fix-list.
- You can't go back at this point unless you have a save before this map.
- Your 4 point about Starcraft II last level is not true haha. I thought of this level design from scratch actually, not inspired from anything else. I went through many improvement to reach the gameplay that it has right now. Epic final boss right? I'm curious of how many times you died from this boss.
- Before entering the map, you was notified about this being the last map right? Maybe it wasn't clear enough. In the previous versions, you could return to other maps after the final boss.
- Arthas doesn't believe in "destiny" stuffs. He's skeptical. The prophecy was vague so Arthas didn't know what will happen and deal with them accordingly.

After this, I'll start replying to the rest of your messages. With the limited time that I have, short texts would be better from now on. Replies will be more responsive cause now I can use my phone to reply to messages. Ask me any questions that you have, I'll gladly answer.

 

[deepstrasz]

Spoiler: ThinhHo->reply to reply

If you are not aware, the reason I don't do complicated abilities with triggers is because of potential bugs.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Bugs appear when you make stuff wrongly. You do them properly in one map and export-import them on the others.

- There's no Blood Mage in the world of DOTL, so having a Blood Mage's abilities won't make him a Blood Mage.

That's a cheeky way of getting out of the situation. The remark is not only for a hero rank but also for the almost copy paste of a hero ability roster from the game.

Quests in this campaign are not to-do list like other campaigns. It may only frustrate you if you treat the quests like one big to-do-list.

Not if they are optional and you can ignore them if you want. Of course, hidden ones is a neat gameplay diversity.

- I think it also depends on culture to call pop as a father or not.

I'm not sure how an English word and it's sense could have a different meaning in another culture? You're saying the English word pop in other countries has other meanings?

- The Doggy Exterminator quest is totally optional. You don't have to do it. It's even hidden

Hidden? I just got it when entering the map from the north without any notice. How does that make it hidden?

It seems like I didn't make it clear enough for you.

Yeah, I might have misunderstood.

- Orbs doesn't work on Darak sometimes when he already carries other orbs with other effects. This is the limitation of the engine and I can't do much about it.

No. They don't work even if it's the only orb on him.

- If players use too many herbs and there are not enough for the quest, then it's their fault.

That shouldn't be because you could use the herbs before getting to know about the quest which makes it frustrating and it's a sort of laugh in your face from the author to the player.

Depending on how you play it you may have to abandon some quests in the game.

That forces player to replay which isn't a good way of creating replayability. Usually you do it by letting a player choose between something and something else but without having to know of it beforehand unless it won't work anymore.

- I have all music playing through music channel. None of them is played through sound channel. I don't know where and how you got this info from.

I play with music off so, I have no idea how it happened unless you trigger the volume for music on each chapter.

- About the horizontal ! on the living tree, I tried but couldn't fix it.

Weird, maybe try another attachment point? Or use special FX on region, I don't know really... Another possibility might be to make the ! a flying unit with Locust ability so you can't select it.

- Yeah, the Maiden of Pain attacking back is a nice touch. I'll consider it. The unit's purpose is only for the tomes.

Maybe some seduction/deceit as well?

- A packhorse is even more complicated than a static stash. Would it be invincible? If it dies, keeping all your items for map transfering is quite complicated. The stash system is just spiral up into oblivion. The best thing I can think of for the stash system is that I can add another stash. So now players would have 2 stashes to transfer items between maps instead of only one. It would require a lot of triggering but it's safe to do this.

Either make the horse invincible or make the stash item transaction range higher (map wide) but I think if you do this one it affects all item manipulation ranges from hero to hero, shop to hero etc. You could circumvent this by adding an ability to the stash which moves the items from a selected hero to it, say only from the first slot or something like that and the other way around.

- I think I haven't incorporate Buri into the Unit Testing minigame so the modes may not work with him proberly.

Should just mention that he is excluded or make the quest available after Buri is no more.

- The Holy Order avatar shouldn't spawn with full mana. With the mana transfer ability, players can abuse it to restore Adias' mana every time the avatar get summoned.

Well, it has a cooldown but the thing is that the other spells become useless when you'll be using the summoned unit for mana transfer when it already has low mana.

- One of the sheep remained green after the 4th round? Wow, this must have happened because the game engine reaches its limit. Sometimes the game cannot go through all of the triggers proberly causing problems like this. It's unfortunate but I can't do nothing about it.

You can. Just reset the colour of the sheep every time, after every round.

One of my friends reach round 40 in his second try.

What about you as the creator? If you can't then... it's pretty weird. I don't expect other people to do something I can't in one of my maps.

I don't get it. Do we have this line in the campaign?

Yeah, it's funny, using the light and all that but he resorts to cursing like dark magic, you know? It's the unit's soundset.

- I thought of putting info in the library as well. However, after putting everything I needed in there, I found out that there weren't much room left for info.

Hmm? What exactly do you mean? You could just simply stand next to the bookshelves and text would appear.

- Your wolves will gain an ability to increase attack speed when Darak's ability reaches level 8.

Yeah, saw that but well I really didn't think the movement speed buff was useful.

- Treants don't belong to the undead actually. However, that's the only way I could think of to make the undead not attack the Treants. Because the undead is hostile to Neutral Hostile, they will kill every neutral hostile in their vicinity. Another approach is to make the undead treat neutral hostile as neutral. By doing this, the treants and some other units can belong to neutral hostile.

Or just use another player?

I'm curious of how many times you died from this boss.

On Normal? Not once. The titans were a bit problematic but I had the allied units so, it was really OK.

- Before entering the map, you was notified about this being the last map right? Maybe it wasn't clear enough. In the previous versions, you could return to other maps after the final boss.

You should be able to return to those maps afterwards to finish what there is to. That's how many JRPGs do it but not most I gather. Also, actually, the antepenultimate map is the last and you can't return once you start the mission.

 

[ThinhHo]

So when will you release the next chapter/update @ThinhHo ? And how many heroes you gonna allow in this campaign? I guess 4 heroes is a good number

That's a great question!
It will take quite a while before the next chapter gets released. As for the next update, I haven't had enough time to work on it just yet. The next update only fixes some bugs in the campaign. No new content will be added.
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When receiving Cairne as the 4th hero in The Founding of Durotar, I noticed that the RPG formula starts to break from there. The game which focuses heavily on micro now become a macro-focused game. With 4 heroes, you can also spam their skills continuously. It is also hard to find synergy for all of their abilities when you have 4 heroes.
So the maximum number of heroes you would get are only 3 heroes.
A 4th hero can be temporarily added into your hero roster when the mission is a macro-focused one, just like some missions in Act I.

 

[ThinhHo]

ThinhHo, I created a profile just so I could comment. I've been playing Defenders of the Light for a couple weeks now, and I just wanted to say THANK YOU. I love this campaign. I've tried about 10+ different custom campaigns now, but they're all missing what I really craved, which is to focus solely on hero/unit play. The Founding of Durotar was a masterpiece, and I can never find a campaign that lives up to it. Yours is very well done. OH, and on a side note, that cinematic that plays showing the Blood Feather clan fighting the demon? That shit was EPIC, dude. lol After hearing classical music during the whole game up to that point, then hearing the techno/rock song queue up and the dialogue that ensued?! Craftfully done! I was grinning the whole time. Excellent work all around, and thanks for the hard work.

Thank you Ryan, this is one of the best comments that I have seen so far.

OH, and on a side note, that cinematic that plays showing the Blood Feather clan fighting the demon? That shit was EPIC, dude. lol After hearing classical music during the whole game up to that point, then hearing the techno/rock song queue up and the dialogue that ensued?! Craftfully done! I was grinning the whole time.

I'm very happy to read these lines. My whole intention for that part was to nail the emotions of players, storytelling and character development to the max level. The part can be considered to be the best part of the campaign and I'm very proud of it. Thank you for giving it the recognition it deserves. I love to see how this cinematic has an emotional impact on people. I'm curious. Why was you grinning during the cinematic? Was it the anticipation? Was it the death? The music?

A note on the song that I used: The song is Attack on Titan - Hiroyuki Sawano which is from the show itself. This is my favorite song of all time. I've listened to this song for more than 1500 times without getting bored of it. It's meaning is powerful and I want to put it into motion through that cinematic of the campaign. The song depicts a fight in which the fighters know that they may die. They fight for their family, their people and their country. The great thing about this song is that the fighters know that they may not make it out of there alive. The important thing is not to stay alive. The most important thing is that they fight whether they win or not. Many people carries this philosophy through life. This philosophy can make them monsters in what they do. They are undefeated because they don't fear death or failure. All they fear is not doing anything.

Sadly thats my only complaint about this campaign is the inventory problem.

I agree. That is also my complaint. I'm thinking of putting a second stash beside the one that players already have. This allows them to carry more items through the maps. The system is already there. I just need to add another layer to it. It just takes a lot of triggering to implement.

So I replayed the campaign just to find the Staff for him, and guest what, he need " Mana Stone" this time, What the .....!!!

I made the items random each time so that players can't easily cheese the system. They can't also spoil it for others if it's random like this.

 

[JakedaSnak33]

is this map compatible with the latest patch release?

 

[ThinhHo]

is this map compatible with the latest patch release?

We haven’t officially tested the campaign with the newest patch. It only has some minor bugs from the previous 1.30 patches. If the newest patch hasn’t changed much. The campaign should work just fine.

 

[JakedaSnak33]

We haven’t officially tested the campaign with the newest patch. It only has some minor bugs from the previous 1.30 patches. If the newest patch hasn’t changed much. The campaign should work just fine.

Well i guess i will post if i find anything then! Thanks for the quick reply!

 

[Ryan26]

Thank you Ryan, this is one of the best comments that I have seen so far.

I'm very happy to read these lines. My whole intention for that part was to nail the emotions of players, storytelling and character development to the max level. The part can be considered to be the best part of the campaign and I'm very proud of it. Thank you for giving it the recognition it deserves. I love to see how this cinematic has an emotional impact on people. I'm curious. Why was you grinning during the cinematic? Was it the anticipation? Was it the death? The music?

A note on the song that I used: The song is Attack on Titan - Hiroyuki Sawano which is from the show itself. This is my favorite song of all time. I've listened to this song for more than 1500 times without getting bored of it. It's meaning is powerful and I want to put it into motion through that cinematic of the campaign. The song depicts a fight in which the fighters know that they may die. They fight for their family, their people and their country. The great thing about this song is that the fighters know that they may not make it out of there alive. The important thing is not to stay alive. The most important thing is that they fight whether they win or not. Many people carries this philosophy through life. This philosophy can make them monsters in what they do. They are undefeated because they don't fear death or failure. All they fear is not doing anything.


I agree. That is also my complaint. I'm thinking of putting a second stash beside the one that players already have. This allows them to carry more items through the maps. The system is already there. I just need to add another layer to it. It just takes a lot of triggering to implement.

I made the items random each time so that players can't easily cheese the system. They can't also spoil it for others if it's random like this.

I'm glad you enjoyed reading my comments regarding your campaign. Thank you for the background info for the cinematic I referred to, that was very interesting to read! The reason I was grinning while watching it I guess was just excitement. The song set it up excellently and it was just climactic to watch. I had hoped I could watch it again but alas, there's no link for it on the campaign list. I finally "finished" the act, kinda. I got to the level where the demon is in the center of the map, saved my game, but haven't gone back to play the battle, probably because I know that'll mark the end of the campaign for a while. It was a pleasure while it lasted though. Thank you, friend.

 

[WarsongWarchief]

IS there ANY way of killing the murloc emperor without cheats? like a strategy to stop those broken venomtrashers spawnin... really helps ... till now it's good,but this one particular fight drives me mad.

 

[ThinhHo]

IS there ANY way of killing the murloc emperor without cheats? like a strategy to stop those broken venomtrashers spawnin... really helps ... till now it's good,but this one particular fight drives me mad.

You can buy Hunter's Net in The Barrows which can be used to immobilize the Emperor. Without the ability to flee, it goes down fast. You also need to be strong enough to take it down (About lv20+). I cannot guarantee that you will be able to defeat it using this method but it certainly makes the fight a lot easier.

 

[JakedaSnak33]

Hey i wanted to report a crash bug i ran into. The NPC that gives the "Pick up all the weeds" quest, starting the quest causes a crash.
Edit: wanted to say that i am playing this on 1.30

 

[ThinhHo]

Hey i wanted to report a crash bug i ran into. The NPC that gives the "Pick up all the weeds" quest, starting the quest causes a crash.
Edit: wanted to say that i am playing this on 1.30

This must have been caused by the new patch. Nobody reported this bug before prior to the new patch.

 

[JakedaSnak33]

This must have been caused by the new patch. Nobody reported this bug before prior to the new patch.

Ya that's kinda what i was going for. giving you at least somewhere to start if you decide to do any bug fixes for the new patch

EDIT: Found another bug. In the Stormhaul i can't build Griffon Riders as i "required Castle".

 

[JakedaSnak33]

do you have a list of all of the items that you used in this campaign? Also on Map 14 (Lonely Island) I understand how to get the password bits, but is there a specific order or particular way to type it in? ive been stuck on this for quite a while now. . .

 

[WarsongWarchief]

Yo, it's me again, thanks for that tip, now with a question... is the hidden treasure in the dungeon really useful, and if it is, it is in that circle of power mini-game? like the door u open leads there? or ..? that thing is VERY hard... and annoying, as the circle has no dinstictions whatsoever it makes it way harder to remember ...

 

[ThinhHo]

do you have a list of all of the items that you used in this campaign? Also on Map 14 (Lonely Island) I understand how to get the password bits, but is there a specific order or particular way to type it in? ive been stuck on this for quite a while now. . .

I don't prefer players to have access to the list of custom items in the campaign due to the discovery and exploration nature of the campaign itself. Since you ask for it, I'll upload the file here. However, the file would only last for 1 week on HIVE before it deletes itself.
DOTL Custom Item List | HIVE
About the password, you have to piece the password bits together in a specific order to open the corresponding doors.

Yo, it's me again, thanks for that tip, now with a question... is the hidden treasure in the dungeon really useful, and if it is, it is in that circle of power mini-game? like the door u open leads there? or ..? that thing is VERY hard... and annoying, as the circle has no dinstictions whatsoever it makes it way harder to remember ...

There are many dungeons in the campaign. What dungeon are you referring to? Is it the Edenvale Dungeon?

 

[JakedaSnak33]

I don't prefer players to have access to the list of custom items in the campaign due to the discovery and exploration nature of the campaign itself. Since you ask for it, I'll upload the file here. However, the file would only last for 1 week on HIVE before it deletes itself.
DOTL Custom Item List | HIVE
About the password, you have to piece the password bits together in a specific order to open the corresponding doors.


There are many dungeons in the campaign. What dungeon are you referring to? Is it the Edenvale Dungeon?

Thanks a ton for going out of your way for that list. i mostly wanted it for item collection completion. lol

@WarsongWarchief You are talking about the "Royal Dungeon" map right? the minigame was just to get thru to the next obj wasn't it? as far as the ring for the side quest, i didn't keep it around in my inventory for long but it was a nice filler for me.

 

[JakedaSnak33]

Is there an act 2 yet or am I just blind? Totally amazing campaign tho. i got my friends hooked on it as well after a long conversation about how much we loved The Founding of Durotar. Lol

 

[Ryan26]

Is there an act 2 yet or am I just blind? Totally amazing campaign tho. i got my friends hooked on it as well after a long conversation about how much we loved The Founding of Durotar. Lol

I'm pretty sure there isn't an Act II yet. Btw, with you and your friends loving The Founding of Durotar so much, have you guys played any other campaigns like that (and this one) that focuses solely on hero progression? I'd really like to get ahold of some since I completed this one.

 

[ThinhHo]

Thanks a ton for going out of your way for that list. i mostly wanted it for item collection completion. lol

Oh, haha. I'm that kind of guy too. Collecting items is what I usually do in RPG game like this. That was the original intention for the items in this campaign too. However, due to the limited inventory system, my future designs of the campaign no longer revolve the idea of item collection.

Is there an act 2 yet or am I just blind? Totally amazing campaign tho. i got my friends hooked on it as well after a long conversation about how much we loved The Founding of Durotar. Lol

Thank you very much for the kind words @JakedaSnak33. Act II is currently in development. The progress is slow as I'm not focusing on it. I can't tell when it will come out though.

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After putting some more thoughts into the campaign, I have some changes I would like to make for Act I. I would like to hear what your thoughts on them are.

Buri's Ability
People say that Buri's Abilities very closely resemblance the abilities of a Blood Mage. I agree. He wasn't meant to be too special. His main purpose is to support Adias, mainly with Adias' lack of mana at the beginning of the game. Although having his purpose in place, I'm still not satisfied with his set of abilities. Mana Siphon and Mana Transfer are the 2 abilities I'd like to keep on him. I don't see how Banish would be useful at all when his other abilities are so much better, so that's the ability I would like to change the most.
So I thought of replacing Banish with a self heal ability called Holy Heal. This ability is like a Clarity Potion. It has 65 seconds cooldown, 75 mana cost and 30 seconds of hp and 75 mana regeneration. Buri's regeneration will stop if he gets hit while being under the spell's effect. The special thing about this ability is that if the regeneration process is completed, Buri doesn't lose any mana at all, the real cost of this ability is only the cooldown time. This ability certainly can change the way players play this hero. Depending on what abilities players pick for Buri, his playstyle can differ.
Buri's Flame Strike ability is too good in my opinion. Chen should be the major AOE hero in the game, not Buri. I did not plan for players to finish Den of the Murlocs with Adias and Buri at all but many people have done it. Therefore, reducing the radius of Buri's Flame Strike and reduces its damage seem like a good choice to me.

Act I's Level Cap
Because I love the freedom of leveling up without being capped unlike the Founding of Durotar campaign, I set no limit for your heroes' level in Act I. It is not a problem in Act I, however. I see that the problem would start to emerge from Act II. When the gap between dedicated players with high-leveled heroes and rush players with low-leveled heroes become too big. At that point, it is really hard to balance the game.
In fact, I really don't like the fact that your heroes's levels are capped.
Instead of doing so, after reaching a certain level in Act I (About level 23), your heroes start to receive only 25% experience compared to the experience your heroes received before. This makes the level gap much smaller when it comes to Act II.

 

[JakedaSnak33]

I'm pretty sure there isn't an Act II yet. Btw, with you and your friends loving The Founding of Durotar so much, have you guys played any other campaigns like that (and this one) that focuses solely on hero progression? I'd really like to get ahold of some since I completed this one.

Apparently The Legacy of Lordaeon is really good. Basically a Forsaken campaign in the same style. But sadly unless you have a version of TFT older than 1.30 it is currently unplayable. There is a bug that causes it to crash after the first cinematic. But it has AMAZING reviews

 

[Ryan26]

Apparently The Legacy of Lordaeon is really good. Basically a Forsaken campaign in the same style. But sadly unless you have a version of TFT older than 1.30 it is currently unplayable. There is a bug that causes it to crash after the first cinematic. But it has AMAZING reviews

Okay thanks for the tip. Luckily I have v1.27 so I'll hit that one up!

 

[jobrook911]

Wow, this is a seriously excellent and epic map. What a breath of fresh air!
I just finished your campaign, almost sad that it's over, so next we'll go back and try and complete some of your really hard optional quests.

There is just so much effort you put into this and it's offering an experience far beyond the quality of even the original WC3 campaigns.

There are so many good things to say about your map:
- Difficulty level, it's not easy, it's hard but a good kind of hard, rewards have to be earned and nothing is taken for granted.
- Story line, there is the main story, which is comprehensive and very well planned, plus the sub-story of Adias's turmoils, which adds to it.
- Level design, much exploration and places to come back to. It's great when you realize that an area is too difficult, but will become manageable later when your characters level up.
- Items, they give you just enough reward, but not too much.
- Length, this game is very long, yet it's quality long. It's not just a grind map, there are story elements that keep the player involved as it progresses.
- Rewards, you've done so well in this aspect. Often players can pimp their characters early to make an easier late game, but you've balanced this so that it encourages players to progress the story in order improve their characters.

All in all, I can really appreciate the tremendous amount of effort you've put into this map, a true diamond in the rough.

 

[Nergal]

Hi everyone. Thanks for this awesome campaign ! Unfortunately I can't play beyond the part with the shaman orc because the game crashes. Could someone help me ? Sorry for my english.

 

[SonOfLight]

Hi everyone. Thanks for this awesome campaign ! Unfortunately I can't play beyond the part with the shaman orc because the game crashes. Could someone help me ? Sorry for my english.
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Me too! OP said it's because of the patch. I'm using patch 1.30.1 and can't go back to patch 1.29. Too bad, this is a great campaign and I can't finish it because of this issue :/

 

[ThinhHo]

Hi everyone. Thanks for this awesome campaign ! Unfortunately I can't play beyond the part with the shaman orc because the game crashes. Could someone help me ? Sorry for my english.

Me too! OP said it's because of the patch. I'm using patch 1.30.1 and can't go back to patch 1.29. Too bad, this is a great campaign and I can't finish it because of this issue :/

Hi @Nergal, yes I'm pretty sure that the bug happened due to the new patch. There's nothing we can do about it at this point unless you play it on the older patches.

 

[jobrook911]

Hi everyone. Thanks for this awesome campaign ! Unfortunately I can't play beyond the part with the shaman orc because the game crashes. Could someone help me ? Sorry for my english.
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Hi Guys, agreed, suggest never patching beyond v1.27b. This recommendation is not just for this map, but for virtually everything downloadable.
We had the same issue with Sunken City. To fix this we downgraded to Windows 7 and only patched up to 1.27b. It's been fine since, so could be a patch and not a Windows issue.

 

[deepstrasz]

Hi Guys, agreed, suggest never patching beyond v1.27b. This recommendation is not just for this map, but for virtually everything downloadable.
We had the same issue with Sunken City. To fix this we downgraded to Windows 7 and only patched up to 1.27b. It's been fine since, so could be a patch and not a Windows issue.

You at least still need a 1.29 version to be able to play newer maps, especially those with more than 12 players...

 

[jobrook911]

You at least still need a 1.29 version to be able to play newer maps, especially those with more than 12 players...

Perhaps keep two copies and play on both sides of the fence. This game wasn't patched for many many years, beforehand all the map makers had a solid version to run from for a very long innings.

 

[PackieMagnatar]

New patch! good to hear it, going to try this as soon as I can!

 

[ThinhHo]

New patch! good to hear it, going to try this as soon as I can!

Hold on. I just updated the description of the campaign, not the campaign itself. The updated playable version will be uploaded in the next 24 hours.

 

[PackieMagnatar]

Hold on. I just updated the description of the campaign, not the campaign itself. The updated playable version will be uploaded in the next 24 hours.

I'm going to hold on then haha

 

[Deleted member 247165]

I loved this one! Good luck on creating more! 5/5

 

[Venkolm]

After you upload the updated version tomorrow, i might return to playing it
I might have time now. I might...

 

[ThinhHo]

FIRST UPDATE AFTER RELEASE (v0.33)

Hi everyone,

Defenders of the Light has been updated to version 0.33. This update was meant to fix many fixable bugs. It barely added any new content into the campaign. If you have played through it, I don’t think you should play through it again. Patch 1.30 is still not recommended to play this campaign with. Here are the list of some major things that has been changed:
+ Heroes gain only 25% experience from kills after one of them reaches lv22.
+ Buri’s Banish ability has been replaced by Holy Heal – a self-heal ability which works like Clarity Potion.
+ The terrain of Longpass Valley has been improved. It looks prettier now.

Here’s the full list of changes for this update:

v0.33 October 26th 2018

General Changes/Fixes
- Heroes gain only 25% experience from kills after one of them reaches lv22.
- Buri’s Banish ability has been replaced by Holy Heal – a self-heal ability which works like Clarity Potion.
- The terrain of Longpass Valley has been improved. It looks prettier now.

Detailed Changes/Fixes
- Map1 Sellers, Paul and Reiner are now invulnerable
- Map2 Buri and other heroes should be able to give the Vial
- Map4 Grunt no longer decays when he dies in cinematic
- Map5 Disable Chen dialogues if he's not there
- Map6 Cairne now has Reincarnation
- Map6 Thrall now can summon wolves
- Map6 Increased creep respawn time to 200s (from 110s)
- Map7 Disabled Invisible Bridge
- Map9 Make Sheep invulnerable
- Map9 Fix Buri bug in Unit Testing System
- Map9 Increased the difficulty of Bandit Quest
- Map9 Delicious Meat is now stored as variables instead of item
- Map9 Chamber Key and Musical Core are now stored as variables instead of items
- Map9 The game now clears text messages for Spider Crab meat updates
- Map9 Extended the time Ghostly Archmage appears till 10:00PM (was 9:00PM)
- Map9 Make Neutral heroes invulnerable
- Map11 Fixed Karim+Boss Door bug
- Map11 Double doors to secret item are now invulnerable
- Map14 Increased rate of password drop
- Map14 Decreased minigame upgrade cost to 300/300/300/200 (from 600/600/600/400)
- Map14 Gargantuan Sea Turtle in middle of map can now cast Frost Armor
- Map14 Lock camera during Egg Minigame
- Map14 Make the whole room visible during Egg Minigame
- Map14 Expanded reward roster for Phoenix Egg Minigame to 46 (from 25)
- Map15 Blocked walkable paths
- Map15 Increased creep respawn time to 240s (from 170s)
- Map21 A Stash will be available at the end of the map
- Map21 The Undead base now treat Neutral Hostiles as Neutral
- Map22 Unrelenting Towers now give 150 gold each
- Map22 Gryphon Riders no longer require Castle
- Map22 Gryphon Riders increased max hp to 1600 (from 1300)
- Map22 Gryphon Riders increased gold cost to 280 (from 250)
- Map23 Artilleries can no longer hit Obelisks
- Act II Improved final boss fight - final phase
- Rum for Friend and Broken Music no longer appear in every map

Unit Changes/Fixes
- Hero Buri Reduced Flame Strike's FullDmgDealt to 15/22.5/30 (from 15/26.67/36.67)
- Hero Buri Reduced Flame Strike's AOE to 160 (from 200)
- Hero Buri Reduced Mana Siphon's ManaDrained to 20/30/40 (from 25/50/75)
- Hero Buri Reduced Mana Siphon's ManaTransferredPerSec to 30/60/90 (from 45/90/120)
- Hero Buri Increased Mana Transfer's ManaTransferRatio to 1.0/1.3/1.6 (from 1.0/1.2/1.4)
- Hero Buri Replaced Banish with Holy Heal
- Hero Adias has a new icon
- Map3 Remove Alpha/Beta after Mercs' name

Item Changes/Fixes
- Item Cloak of Flames/Cloak of Fire no longer deal damage to neutral units
- Item New Item Tenebrious Armor
- Item New Item Spiky Plate

The changes may not be significant enough to replay the campaign. Please read the changelog first before considering replaying it.

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For anyone who has played the campaign, and if you want to reply to this, I would love to see:
1. What your item combination is and what you think is the best combinations of items you have discovered.
2. Your 3 favorite fights in the campaign. Why?
If you write them down, make sure you put your response into a Spoiler box so that you don’t spoil the game for other people. I love to see your different perspectives on Defenders of the Light.

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Now is for a bit of fun time!

Did you know that the Phoenix Eggs Minigame in Lonely Island rewards you items depending on how long you can last? The longer you last, the better rewards can be. There are 3 items in the list of rewards which are considered to be the rare items. Those 3 items cannot be found anywhere else. Once you've picked up one of the 3 rare items, the quest Well of Treasures will be completed.
In this update, I also expanded the number of rewards that you can obtain to 46 items, including consumables (from 25 items).

 

[Bouddhakush]

Oh shit dude, that was a BRILLIANT campaign ! Maybe too much walking time, but that's nothing compared to this epic adventure tho.

Just a thing,

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The Biggest Murloc You Ever Seen

is killable with this strategy :
- Stormbolt
- Run away to reset the boss
- Repeat
- ???
- Profit

I killed him with lv6 Buri and Adias. I think you should make the boss unresetable.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that

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the Insurgent (the undead Sylvanas-like) is Talia ?

Keep up the good work mate, can't wait for the Act II

PS :

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Damn, Lothar is such a badass !

 

[conde]

it crash the game after you have to fight with the captain (orc) exactly when the other orc is telling to you him story.

 

[Ryan26]

it crash the game after you have to fight with the captain (orc) exactly when the other orc is telling to you him story.

Are you playing with v1.30? I've seen others reporting crashes with this campaign who were playing (I think) with versions 1.29 and up. I'm sorry you had to experience this.

 

[conde]

Are you playing with v1.30? I've seen others reporting crashes with this campaign who were playing (I think) with versions 1.29 and up. I'm sorry you had to experience this.

No problem, i have the save whatever.
Yes i was playing with version 1.30.

 

[deepstrasz]

Are you playing with v1.30? I've seen others reporting crashes with this campaign who were playing (I think) with versions 1.29 and up. I'm sorry you had to experience this.

I've played it on 1.29.2 and it was quite OK.

 

[Khaj]

Hello!

Thanks for your campaign, I have enjoyed that!

Now a little bit of feedback:
- In the map before the last map (arthas forces vs undead) it hppened to me, that I stopped getting any gold from kills or whatsoever (I think the last gold I got was some from the vault-with-gate at the map).
- Also in this map some cloak of flames thing does 50hp/sec (by its description) which is a bug, because on other maps it is 10hp
- Also in this map - I have killed all buildings with catapults and wanted time to explore the map, but the big zombies kept coming ... maybe I expected some type of reward for clearing the map.
- I was unable to find a mask of silence (there are 2 guys near dark woods, that would craft things for you, for one I found it, for the second one nope.)
- I was unable to see a statue moving at midnight
- I did not know what is a priest guy in corner of edenvale doing
- I would apprecite more space in storages
- It would be great to know, what stats will the created items have.
- Poison dagger from murlocs was somehow bugged and did not work (i know about orb stacking effects, not the reason)

- Item system - man, the design decision with minus stats is soo bad. I mean, being a mathematician - to maximize my options in game AND power, it is not a good idea to use items with minus stats. It could work if the inventory would be bigger and people could balance things, but I wanted ALL stats maximized (for example also because str heroes need mana to cast)
The only thing with minus stats I have used was the mana regen -400MP incense, which is hackable, because if you uneuip before casting and then equip again it makes your spells cost so low
... So I was pretty happy with only plus items.

Edit: .. Oh yea I ws plying at 1.30 that can be the case