Defenders of the Light 0.58 (SD Reforged Update)

[Ravager16829]

hi.i have a problem.
The light in the circles does not appear.
first time i play with reforged graphics.
second time i play with reroged graphics off...stil the same problem( i use chest to move fast)
i try DOT129.w3n and DOT136.w3n same problem...
Ty! sorry for asking
The best campaign 5* 100%.
u are the best of the best ) cheers.

Campaign versions and Reforged graphics won't do me any good. I heard that some people have reported this problem, and it could be related to the cheats they used.
This campaign has some kind of anti-cheat systems that made some obstacles (like the ones you mentioned) impassable (you appear to be using both unit invincbility and map vision cheats, as seen in the screenshot). If you reload your previous save files without cheats, the campaign will be beatable.

 

[skarfyy]

Campaign versions and Reforged graphics won't do me any good. I heard that some people have reported this problem, and it could be related to the cheats they used.
This campaign has some kind of anti-cheat systems that made some obstacles (like the ones you mentioned) impassable (you appear to be using both unit invincbility and map vision cheats, as seen in the screenshot). If you reload your previous save files without cheats, the campaign will be beatable.

Ok,i will start again from 0 and try. Ty

 

[SimonPlays]

Please refrain several comments made by the original author (ThinHo) above.

For the Reforged version (on Classic SD graphics), only Act 1 is available right now.

Thank you for the reply. Since I have Reforged I prefer to wait that everything is ready before I play it.

 

[skarfyy]

I had the same problem...i start new game...The light in the circles does not appear...how i pass this?

 

[skarfyy]

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[Ravager16829]

I had the same problem...i start new game...The light in the circles does not appear...how i pass this?

There should be no problem about this "memory" mini-game. You have to learn about the order of the lit circles. After they are done lighting up, order Adias Lothan to that "lit circle" based on the memorized order.
In fact, the "particle effects" not appearing on the memory circle is somewhat related to the in-game animation itself. Some models tend to broke with loads in-game, notably the proper construction animations for Undead and Night Elf, as well as various spell animations (like Panda's Fire Breathe). If you see this "bugged in-game animation", you have to restart the computer in order to make those "bugged animations" appear again.

 

[Ziv Noel]

I've run into a problem that causes the game not to load after I've cleared the Panda in the capital dungeon. The game just took forever to load unto the next map

 

[skarfyy]

There should be no problem about this "memory" mini-game. You have to learn about the order of the lit circles. After they are done lighting up, order Adias Lothan to that "lit circle" based on the memorized order.
In fact, the "particle effects" not appearing on the memory circle is somewhat related to the in-game animation itself. Some models tend to broke with loads in-game, notably the proper construction animations for Undead and Night Elf, as well as various spell animations (like Panda's Fire Breathe). If you see this "bugged in-game animation", you have to restart the computer in order to make those "bugged animations" appear again.

I can't learn the order because no light from the start...i swap for classic graphic same problem ...i reinstal the game same problem...restart PC...same

 

[Ravager16829]

I've run into a problem that causes the game not to load after I've cleared the Panda in the capital dungeon. The game just took forever to load unto the next map

You mean "the game stucks after beating Chen"? There should be no problem after passing that boss fight. When you defeated him, the next map will load normally.

Also, try playing this campaign without cheats. Some challenges won't be impassable if you played this campaign with cheats (like the ones in Edenvale, where you have to destroy all prawn-like monsters).

I can't learn the order because no light from the start...i swap for classic graphic same problem ...i reinstal the game same problem...restart PC...same

Sadly, I have no idea how to solve this problem. Maybe ThinHo can provide an exact reason why this problem is happening?

 

[skarfyy]

You mean "the game stucks after beating Chen"? There should be no problem after passing that boss fight. When you defeated him, the next map will load normally.

Also, try playing this campaign without cheats. Some challenges won't be impassable if you played this campaign with cheats (like the ones in Edenvale, where you have to destroy all prawn-like monsters).


Sadly, I have no idea how to solve this problem. Maybe ThinHo can provide an exact reason why this problem is happening?

I hope so.
Ty!
Best custom campaign 5*.

 

[Ziv Noel]

You mean "the game stucks after beating Chen"? There should be no problem after passing that boss fight. When you defeated him, the next map will load normally.

Also, try playing this campaign without cheats. Some challenges won't be impassable if you played this campaign with cheats (like the ones in Edenvale, where you have to destroy all prawn-like monsters).


Sadly, I have no idea how to solve this problem. Maybe ThinHo can provide an exact reason why this problem is happening?

Ty, the problem solved itself lol, I waited for 15 minutes until the game decided to load into the next map xd, The dungeon map is so heavily loaded I guess that's why the game froze and took sometime to transit between maps.

 

[skarfyy]

I can't learn the order because no light from the start...i swap for classic graphic same problem ...i reinstal the game same problem...restart PC...same

Any1 know how to fix that?

 

[WarDemon]

Any1 know how to fix that?

If I saw it correctly, then you are clicking too quickly. You have to wait until all the lights are on. You will then be told that you are allowed. But I'm not sure if I recognized that correctly in your short video.

 

[Ahman]

Hi, is the campaign's update to Reforged 2.0 only include ACT 1? Cuz when I downloaded it, it only showed 24 missions. The original campaign file shows I think 36 missions. Can we expect ACT 2 to be also updated to Reforged 2.0 and added to HIVE in the future?

 

[Ravager16829]

Hi, is the campaign's update to Reforged 2.0 only include ACT 1? Cuz when I downloaded it, it only showed 24 missions. The original campaign file shows I think 36 missions. Can we expect ACT 2 to be also updated to Reforged 2.0 and added to HIVE in the future?

You are right. Reforged version only has Act 1, and can only be playable on the Classic graphics.

The original author won't probably create a remake for Act 2 soon due to the personal reason and (of course) tons of bugs Blizzard introduced in 2.0. patch.

 

[tulee]

The original author won't probably create a remake for Act 2 soon due to the personal reason and (of course) tons of bugs Blizzard introduced in 2.0. patch.

Why are you assuming he won't due to "of course tons of bugs introduced in 2.0"?
2.0 is probably better than most of all the other 1.32+ versions of wc3. Some of the recently introduced issues like portraits showing the original unit/hero portrait might be obvious, but they don't particularly affect gameplay much at all.

Can I confirm if you have actually played wc3 on the latest patch, or are you parroting what other people say about it? Because the issues 1.32+ versions have pale in comparison to having to keep constantly swapping between multiple pre-1.32 patches of wc3.

 

[Ravager16829]

Why are you assuming he won't due to "of course tons of bugs introduced in 2.0"?
2.0 is probably better than most of all the other 1.32+ versions of wc3. Some of the recently introduced issues like portraits showing the original unit/hero portrait might be obvious, but they don't particularly affect gameplay much at all.

Can I confirm if you have actually played wc3 on the latest patch, or are you parroting what other people say about it? Because the issues 1.32+ versions have pale in comparison to having to keep constantly swapping between multiple pre-1.32 patches of wc3.

I was aware about your statement. Also, you could include the troublesome "missing textures" during the gameplay, but it only appears if you load the previous saves. Also, deepstrasz had even said that certain maps and campaigns can only be playable without issues if you played them directly on the recommended versions.

Anyways, the original author only made this Reforged version of the campaign for better gameplay experience on Act 1.

 

[tulee]

I was aware about your statement. Also, you could include the troublesome "missing textures" during the gameplay, but it only appears if you load the previous saves. Also, deepstrasz had even said that certain maps and campaigns can only be playable without issues if you played them directly on the recommended versions.

Anyways, the original author only made this Reforged version of the campaign for better gameplay experience on Act 1.

Pre 1.32, loading saves would directly break triggers in 1.31 and possibly 1.30.4. So, texture issues on load save while using 2.00+ is not bad in comparison.

I do not know where Deepstrasz said that, but as someone who only plays campaigns on the latest patch of wc3 nowadays, the only two campaigns I have encountered that do not work on the latest patch are Chosen Ones (might be a font related issue, unsure) and a Tale of Two Brothers P2 (some model(s) in there break on 1.31+).

For all other campaigns, playing on later versions of Wc3 has had no impact on gameplay. Yes, in theory, playing on the patch a campaign is made on is probably best because the author would have tested it on that version so you have some guarantee that there won't be bugs, but there is nothing inside later versions of Wc3 that will break a campaign, assuming it is made using the normal World Editor and does not use memory hacks or anything like that.

 

[Hyperos]

Feedback: Defenders of the Light Act I, played on Reforged 2.0 (classic graphics), DOT136, version 0.58.
First of all, i enjoyed the campaign very much and this is the first time i write feedback/review for a custom campaign. Act I is huge and amazing. I had a lot of fun and i'm definitely going to play it again when later acts are released.
The content of this comment is mixed, there are gonna be mostly bug reports (bugs were quite a significant issue, but i was able to experience nearly all of the content), maybe some comments, ideas and questions. I hope it will help you improve the campaign, for all of us who love the 'founding of Durotar' type of campaign.
I chose to divide this text by maps, i think it's easier this way, especially for local bugs. If a map/something isn't mentioned here, that means it's great/i dont have anything worth saying. At the end i will put a part about whole game/Act I. I don't have any screenshots, but i will try to explain the bugs as accurately as possible. Naturally, there will be spoilers so i marked every section as a (potential) spoiler.

Spoiler: Dark Wood

- Dark Wood (map 6): In the orc base there is an orc warlock that offers a 1v1 fight with a Cairne type hero. I defeated him multiple times with all heroes and i dont think i got anything from that. Is it only a short side quest with no reward?
Also there is a shaman with a quest. I gave him what he required and additional mana potion and got Kochura Incense (+30% mana regen and -3 health regen). I think there is a stronger version of this item (+60%, -6), what would i get if i didn't give the mana potion to him? (i dont have the right save, so i can't test it on my own)

Spoiler: The Abyss

- The Abyss (map 8): I was able to play it and test my heroes, but there are 2 bugs that prevent me from leaving this place after i die. Every time i had to load a save before entering Abyss, so i couldn't farm tomes or gold or experience.
1st one happened only once - when i died nothing happened, i was stuck with all heroes dead. It might be due to ressurection stone not activating for some reason.
2nd one happened every other time - after i die game tries to load me back to Shimmer Wood, but once it loads and it tells me to press any button and i press it the game crashes. Tried anything i could think of, but i have no idea what to do with that.

Spoiler: Edenvale

- Edenvale (map 9): In Battle of Theramore part i found another 2 strange bugs preventing me from returning.
1st - When i stepped on the foot switch, nothing happened, i'm not sure if it even clicked when i was on it. I reloaded the save before Theramore Battle and i think it fixed the issue.
2nd - After any return trigger activated (foot switch or death of Proudmoore). The game looks exactly like it tries to go into cutscene mode (bottom unit text bar appears, screen goes dark, mouse disappears), but then nothing happens, only music stayed. I waited for a few minutes, reloaded the game few times, nothing helped.
Also the texture of the bear at the bandit camp to the south (main map) doesn't load, i was surprised when i got a ton of dmg out of nowhere.

Spoiler: Edenvale Dungeon

- Edenvale Dungeon (map 11): I am not sure if the game states at any point that this part has no way out until the player completes it. I felt slightly underleveled there, because i wanted to get 3 heroes asap and then explore everything. But that is only a little problem, since the tough parts can be "brute forced" with resurrection stones or by waiting for mana.

Spoiler: Glowing Cave

- Glowing Cave (map 13): This dungeon and the boss fight are challenging and exactly what one should expect from one of the hardest and completely optional parts of Act I. However, i experienced an unfortunate bug. I beat Kaleo, get 500 gold and then nothing happens. No item, no cutscene, no teleportation, i am stuck fighting endless waves of skeletons and i can do this all day, but there is no point. When all heroes die, they are correctly ressurected and Kaleo resets, my guess is that somehow the 'Kaleo died' trigger doesn't trigger. Funnily enough, in the Fallen Lords map everything seemed to work fine.

Spoiler: Lonely Island

- Lonely Island (map 14): The minigame in the middle felt tough, i figured out i need more speed and bought items and scrolls, purchased all minigame upgrades. I used shift clicking to minimize reaction time and optimize pathfinding, tried different strategies and i can't get past 3 minutes out of 8. Am i missing something or can it be a bug?

Spoiler: The Barrows

- The Barrows (map 15): A small thing here, i unintentionally killed all fel orc warlocks before going to the orc who gives a quest to kill them and after his cutscene he kept repeating some sentences about the quest. If he was supposed to give some reward, i don't think he did.

Spoiler: Longpass Valley

- Longpass Valley (map 21): 2 questions: Could i do something about the Necromancer on top of the mountain in the middle? He kept respawning and some skeletons were attacking him. Similarly, is there something more to the friendly wolf who joins the party? I couldn't find an answer (unless it's connected to the orcs nearby, i think they all died…).

Spoiler: Stormhaul

- Stormhaul (map 22): After the cutscene (i did NOT skip it) in which Muradin and Drekthar arrive some triggers/ai probably bugged. The undead started grouping mostly in the middle and formed a huge blob of units, instead of attacking human bases. The blob moved a little a few times and increased in size, but i don't know any more specific details. Undead titans kept spawning and walking correctly (some got stuck in the blob), but i think their targeting bugged, because they were barely attacking anything near them. Human bases kept producing infinite number of units, but they weren't sending them to attack, forming 2 big blobs of units in 2 bases. Those units moved and attacked only when enemy was close, but then they went back to base. Also it seemed like i couldn't get any more gold from killing enemies/titans.

Spoiler: About the whole game/Act I

- About the whole game/Act I: I appreciate the idea of minigames scattered around the Act and boss fights with more than punching each other to death, not everyone enjoys them, but they can always be skipped (although rewards are usually great). Also the need to come back to a location later (like in edenvale dungeon) gives the feeling that a map has a lot more to offer, which is great.

Personally, i think agility should be boosted in some way, it doesn't feel right that 1 of 3 main stats is stated to be nearly useless compared to other 2. In my playthrough i put about 50/60 agility on Chen (all tomes, mixed with every damage boost i could find, so he crits for over 700 as often as he can), but the change in attack speed/armor felt unsignificant compared to how much agility i gave him.

Items: I was sceptical about 'items give positive and negative effects', but it truly makes build crafting more interesting. Nonetheless, as you probably have heard some items are basically only debuffing, instead of giving something in return. An interesting example is in Theramore Battle, where player can buy an item that gives holy light heal and another one that buffs it. It has a huge potential as an idea for more healing sources, but if i did the math right it is less mana-to-HP effective than Adias's Q heal AND it takes TWO item slots. I know items are one of the things you constantly try to balance and it is probably the hardest part of balancing, so remember there is no hate whatsoever.

Replayability: I played only once, but i remember playing Rexxar campaign multiple times and since there is so many different items i want to play it again with the knowledge i have now. Although i prefer to wait until act II and when some bugs get fixed or just hope that i somehow won't encounter them next time.

But wait, there is more! When i escaped Edenvale Dungeon and saw the cutscene and all those heroes around i got an idea. What if after that point the player could choose which 2 heroes he wants to recruit for the journey? It would add a ton of party compositions, spells, builds and replayability! And to make it much easier for the beginning, the game should state that main storyline for the first playthrough is connected to Chen and Darak. This way there is no need to make new cutscenes and lore for those heroes until you decide to do so, because players will already know the story after first playthrough and will probably skip all cutscenes either way. Think about this. I strongly believe it would make a huge positive impact on the gameplay.

Lore: Personally, i enjoy stories very much, i am a fan of Warcraft, Warhammer, Starcraft and many more universes. It is good there is lore, cutscenes and all those heroes with their own stories. Even though gameplay would still be great without it, it feels much more real and entertaining.

And that's all! It took me some time to write this and i tried to be as thorough as possible. Hope it helps. Keep up the good work!