AoS:The Ancient Wars V1.24e

[Moderator]

15:28, 13th Aug 2010
ap0calypse: Rejected

 

[Dylanyo123]

interesting, might give this a download

 

[Falzelo]

Omg 5.35 Mb for an AoS =0

 

[Arisato]

well, the models+ icons + old loadings screen = 3mb++

the models + icons + new loading screen = 4 mb++

now bcoz of the loading screen (1 mb) it size increased to 5 mb


the old loading screen took only 300-700 kb

 

[huntere15]

It was very fun testing and making this map with you!

 

[Arisato]

Till you dealt a godlike to me 4 times in a row!

 

[huntere15]

Hey V1.12b is coming in a bit with some silly bug fixes

 

[-Kobas-]

Well I can tell ya that this map is poor only by looking at pictures -.-
Will check latter and leave comment!

 

[huntere15]

Wow you base it on it's screenshot? After all our hard work you look at it and say" Hah I can tell by the screenshots this looks poor" wow wow wow.

 

[Arisato]

Its not all that bad, ==a try it first then you could comment,

That imperial lancer i made (the model is a retexture i made my self and reanimated it to a lancer like guy)

anyways v1.12b is going to be out

 

[-Kobas-]

*Well I see that game interface isn't changed a bit (Low Upkeep)
*Then I see that there is no Quest Log = No game play description, credits, change log, commands etc etc
*Hero abilities have poor icons = Bad colors, icon models + art (style or whatever) is different
*Terrain look poor + minimap show rest of map so it seams poor all around

Well that why I sad that above!
I will try tomorrow now is 4:08 Am here -.- so I need some sleep ^^

 

[Arisato]

Whoa, thankyou for reminding me for the questlogs, the credits?

A_A then i should search tons of them


EDIT:

and yeah, i made the terrains, but the improvements of the terrain is made by huntere15,

EDIT:

i'm going to update the desc (so please wait okay!)

 

[FrozenFenrir]

how about a DESCRIPTION?
no description-> violating hive rules ->getting rejected, no matter what

 

[Arisato]

Description updated!!! look again ,my friend!

 

[huntere15]

No he meant like what do you do in this game? (Thats your cue to update the description and add it)

edit so i don't dble post: omg i told you to send me 1.14 before you uploaded it so I could add effects.

 

[arphax214]

No he meant like what do you do in this game? (Thats your cue to update the description and add it)

lol hee meant to put description in the map itself not only in this thread..
like ingame description,.model,icon etc all credits should be in it, and updates and game info..

 

[Arisato]

I'm going to remove the cam, (just tested, i'm annoyed with it!) and the movement system fails!!

gonna add a new hero in 1.14b



YYYY.......YEAH!!!! UP-TO-DATE!!!!

New HERO!!! Hip-Hip hoo-ray!

 

[SetaSouji]

You should add more things , new heroes, items etc!

Its already nice for a map, i'll rate it 5/5

i've never played an AoS like this before, interesting, find-the-recipe xD

what i most liked is dark knight and elite knight o.o

 

[sadvisor]

just an usual poor map.

 

[Yabooer]

I looked at the screen shots and +600 damage? Really? I think I'll stick to DotA until you balance a bit more.

-Tips

Lower the stats/damage of items.
Balance the abilities to do less damage. (Based on seeing +600 damage)
Maybe try a new concept not the, Sentinel vs Scourge thing in a good chunk of AoS's

 

[-Kobas-]

Well in Dota you can also have +600 damage (well max can go even over 1000 without critical) so high damage can be good, but then you must care about hero armor, hp and few more stuff!

 

[huntere15]

600 damage thing was his ultimate, but we removed that in 1.14

{EDIT}

just an usual poor map.

Wow really? Did you actually even look at it?

edit:dammit double post

 

[Yabooer]

Yes you can do 600+ damage with a CRITICAL, he was doing just +600 damage ontop of what his normal damage is.

Mortred (Phantom Assassin) the one who can do over 1k damage crits, is all based on farming/items. That hero just got it from an ability from just leveling.

Imagine stacking a life steal on that, a critical strike item, and some attack speed. Would be doing at LEAST +700-800 damage with his ability and items. Making him virtually unstoppable unless the other team has amazing burst damage.

 

[-Kobas-]

Well I can write 100 in MS Word about Dota and stuff but point was to tell that +600 damage can do just fine!

 

[Yabooer]

Not sure exactly what you were saying in that statement, but I play a lot of DotA myself. Why YES it is possible to get items that will make you do a good amount of damage, but it WILL take a while to get that. That is ALSO if he doesn't get killed multiple times, assists in ganks, gets kills.

While this hero just had to sit and level up which would give him +600 damage.

Anyways, I'll try out the map when I get a chance. Kobas I know a good amount about DotA you can't stump me =)

Edit: As to your statement, IF you hadn't noticed he had 1800 HP which is about 4 hits from him (Without items) get a Buriza type weapon (Critical + damage item) a Bfury (For farming creeps/clearing heroes) and a MoM or HotD (Satanic when the money is available) and good luck killing him.

Well in Dota you can also have +600 damage (well max can go even over 1000 without critical)

You know just as I know getting 1 DR is very hard, it takes a while to farm and if you rush it you lose it immediately, getting 6 DR's in one ACTUAL DotA game would be impossible. Therefore your argument is false =)

 

[Arisato]

Trailer added!

 

[Raging Ent]

Maybe at credits in the description on Hives.

And get a better terrain, the base is way to big, lanes to broad, and it uses the map's border on the top and bottom lanes? That's just horrible..

 

[-Kobas-]

Lol your video don't have end
Well maybe you shouldn't die 2 much

Ok I watched half video and saw this:
You didn't show us items
You didn't place mouse pointer on abilities so we can read what they do
Map size cut part of terrain (left corridor)
Terrain looks little empty, maybe you can add more tiles and flowers or shrubs...

But that lightning effect was good, special effect also, spells look ok, models are nice!

Just keep making new unique stuff!

 

[Arisato]

^^ Thank you, me and huntere15 will always improve this map!

Oh, i'll add the presents in 1.15b(i found a gold issue, killing the boss wont give you $$)


Oh and the credits, only these i found,and i'll add more every time i found who is the author ^^

 

[-Kobas-]

Hey maybe you can change your map preview picture! Text is 2 small I can't read what is written -.^

Keep picture but change font size!

 

[Falzelo]

Well... Good words are from everyone else... I don't like repeating them...
Thing you makes me like the most is the game interface and effects. It looks totally nice and it's the best thing in this map I guess.
Well... I don't like many thing in this map as well...:
- Hero's death message is on. I don't like it. Use something different. (Like DotA I suggest)
- "No Upkeep"... At least change that
- No multiboard (??!!)
- Global Distribution!!!!!
Well, I didn't mean that this one is a bad map; indeed, it's a nice job. Improve something and it will be an excellent map soon.

 

[ACdestinydream]

Not sure exactly what you were saying in that statement, but I play a lot of DotA myself. Why YES it is possible to get items that will make you do a good amount of damage, but it WILL take a while to get that. That is ALSO if he doesn't get killed multiple times, assists in ganks, gets kills.

While this hero just had to sit and level up which would give him +600 damage.

Anyways, I'll try out the map when I get a chance. Kobas I know a good amount about DotA you can't stump me =)

Edit: As to your statement, IF you hadn't noticed he had 1800 HP which is about 4 hits from him (Without items) get a Buriza type weapon (Critical + damage item) a Bfury (For farming creeps/clearing heroes) and a MoM or HotD (Satanic when the money is available) and good luck killing him.



You know just as I know getting 1 DR is very hard, it takes a while to farm and if you rush it you lose it immediately, getting 6 DR's in one ACTUAL DotA game would be impossible. Therefore your argument is false =)

lmao no dota talk pls. in my opinion dota is a game which kills game but we cant live without it. imagine without dota. warcraft would have been dead 5 years ago. but with it, custom games spring up everywhere. however, it kills all custom games as nobody plays it but only dota.


optimize this map, it is too big. many people will quit when they see they need to queue up to dl this map. i suggest you change the file format of the loading screen to JPG as it is smaller in size and little quality change.

do a quick glance at your import manager in world editor, you might have imported something and forget to delete it. sometimes, it is not necessary to add in high quality models (u have many) as it wont matter anyway unless you are doing a cinematic.

Do remember to run any map you have in vex's optimizer as it is the best optimizer for wc3. it reduces up to 15~20% of your map size. cheers.

gameplay was AWSUMZ. custom UI tile was a bit disturbing tho, it reminds me of naga's tileset which sucked. heroes have really good custom skills, but i suggest lesser of these as fireworks appear everytime when 3v3 in a single lane happens.

 

[Raging Ent]

lmao no dota talk pls. in my opinion dota is a game which kills game but we cant live without it. imagine without dota. warcraft would have been dead 5 years ago. but with it, custom games spring up everywhere. however, it kills all custom games as nobody plays it but only dota.


optimize this map, it is too big. many people will quit when they see they need to queue up to dl this map. i suggest you change the file format of the loading screen to JPG as it is smaller in size and little quality change.

do a quick glance at your import manager in world editor, you might have imported something and forget to delete it. sometimes, it is not necessary to add in high quality models (u have many) as it wont matter anyway unless you are doing a cinematic.

Do remember to run any map you have in vex's optimizer as it is the best optimizer for wc3. it reduces up to 15~20% of your map size. cheers.

gameplay was AWSUMZ. custom UI tile was a bit disturbing tho, it reminds me of naga's tileset which sucked. heroes have really good custom skills, but i suggest lesser of these as fireworks appear everytime when 3v3 in a single lane happens.

JPEG is pretty big still..and quality changes alot since JPEG loses alot of pixels.
The best size, imo, is PNG.

 

[huntere15]

I"m trying to convince Uzimaki to optimize but he doesn't listen

 

[-Kobas-]

Custom UI is main problem it takes from 1.5 to 3.0 MB (normal ones)
Then come Loading Screen from 250 to 500 KB (I use this type) and from 1.5 to 2.5 MB (with 4 tga files)
And for the end come high res models with textures that use from 400 to 800 KB

One more thing try not to use models above 250 KB there is no need for that you can find very nice below 200 KB or even less!

Icons and all else are below 20 KB so they aren't problem!

If you want to optimize map you must know that it can create minor bugs!
example:
In my first Rise of Heroes 1.0 -> 1.5 I used trigger action display to all with nothing written (only one space) to create space on screen! All was perfect...
I used tool to make map smaller I got _ written instead empty space!

My advice is to try to use low resolution models, nice loading screen (blp format)
and avoid custom UI (at least wait to map become famous so people know that they can download it here instead of waiting ingame when someone create)

For new maps all above 3 MB is bad if you ask me (this don't include ORPG, Cinematic and Campaign maps)

 

[huntere15]

Alright I'll go replace some big filesize imports with smaller ones

edit: also 1.15b is kinda screwed up because he messed up some triggers

 

[Arisato]

Alright I'll go replace some big filesize imports with smaller ones

edit: also 1.15b is kinda screwed up because he messed up some triggers

1.15b isn't screwed up, i didn't mess it up, i optimized it in the events, the triggers, so it will came together, at it will pop out at the same time!!!

gonna work into a new hero please wait ^^


V1.16 Uploaded, check it out!
V1.17 uploaded , check it man!

V1.18 uploading and it's going to be released!!

 

[Druu]

These are the things you should focus on from now on.

-Make a Multi Board
-Make sure you have no leak in your triggers
-Improve your Creep respawn system, it lacks, I could stay at one spot with my dark knight
and solo them one by one as they were respawning one by one.
-Greatly improve terrain, I have no screenshots but here are some things I saw
--The south-east waterfall as waterfall coming from grass
--Way too much sacrificial pits in random placement with purpose, why are they there?
--Add some doodad, play with them, try to learn what you can do with them.
-I saw some glitch when playing with the death knight, I saw that green square of death
Just make sure you have some DISBTN to your BTN icons.

Other than that, I haven't played enough to make a complete review, good luck improving
your skills.

EDIT: I almost forgot to say, this is one bad thing about B.net, you can't really play games
that are over 5mb to load only because ppl want to PLAY, not to WAIT for others to dl a
game they aren't even really sure to like. That's my 2 cents, I'd rather have those Wc3
models than everything you added.

 

[Arisato]

-Make sure you have no leak in your triggers

I'll check the leaks again, but 90% of it is not leaking, if it leaks it would not even reach the maximum limit

Make a Multi Board

Err, make a multiboard for what? heroes? killing score?0.0?

Improve your Creep respawn system, it lacks, I could stay at one spot with my dark knight
and solo them one by one as they were respawning one by one.

i don't get it, every hero could do that, when they are strong. even other games could do that, that means the enemy player didn't upgrade the damage,defense, buy priests and knights

--The south-east waterfall as waterfall coming from grass

Err.. it's from rocks.

Way too much sacrificial pits in random placement with purpose, why are they there?

No, it has the same count as the farms in the other team

--Add some doodad, play with them, try to learn what you can do with them.

OoOh i did play with those!

-I saw some glitch when playing with the death knight, I saw that green square of death
Just make sure you have some DISBTN to your BTN icons.

really? i'll check again in v1.19

thank you for reviewing ^^ +Rep to you.

i'm gonna make a new hero in V1.19

 

[Druu]

Err, make a multiboard for what? heroes? killing score?0.0?

Yes indeed to check the scores, one thing you have to know about ppl on the
internet is that they really want to brag about something, being the best hero
smasher of the game is something ppl like to epeen about, make sure to have
one. Even if it's Kills and Deaths, as long as ppl see it.

i don't get it, every hero could do that, when they are strong. even other games could do that, that means the enemy player didn't upgrade the damage,defense, buy priests and knights

I mean, the trigger is probably set that way.
Event - an unit dies
Condition - unit is an hostile
Action - Wait X seconds
create 1 [triggering unit] at postition of [triggering unit]

If that is, then make sure the whole group spawns at the same time, otherwise
I'm more likely to stay at that spot and just non-stop kill those mobs and when
I'm done with them, I move to another spot until I have the ultimate weaps
and I can kill quickly everything in my sight. Don't you want your map to take
a special curve? Make sure you don't NEED to farm with those, make them
hard or something or maybe make them not give gold. I don't know, those are
my personal feelings, I mostly leave a game that is called "Arena" and we end
up killing creeps to "level up" instead of players.

Err.. it's from rocks.

Well, the terrain has a glitch because I saw rocks indeed, but the grass is green
around them, and I don't see much water where the waterfalls start.

No, it has the same count as the farms in the other team

There is a LOT of undead buildings that could be mixed together to form a
better looking base other than having 12 sacrificial pit. Make a RP game where
buildings stacks and check them out, put a Boneyard and build any other
undead building on it, you'll see that the possibilities are big. Even a Boneyard
+ Sacrificial pit looks cool when they both are "working"

OoOh i did play with those!

Play more, you can do a lot more than what I saw. I don't ask you to do
incredible things, but just improving your rock placing for exemple could be
something that would help you. Just a hint like this, try this.
Select a Doodad and hold down CTRL and press Page Up and Page Down.

 

[Junpei]

Another DOta Like !!

4.00

 

[Arisato]

Yes indeed to check the scores, one thing you have to know about ppl on the
internet is that they really want to brag about something, being the best hero
smasher of the game is something ppl like to epeen about, make sure to have
one. Even if it's Kills and Deaths, as long as ppl see it.


I mean, the trigger is probably set that way.
Event - an unit dies
Condition - unit is an hostile
Action - Wait X seconds
create 1 [triggering unit] at postition of [triggering unit]

If that is, then make sure the whole group spawns at the same time, otherwise
I'm more likely to stay at that spot and just non-stop kill those mobs and when
I'm done with them, I move to another spot until I have the ultimate weaps
and I can kill quickly everything in my sight. Don't you want your map to take
a special curve? Make sure you don't NEED to farm with those, make them
hard or something or maybe make them not give gold. I don't know, those are
my personal feelings, I mostly leave a game that is called "Arena" and we end
up killing creeps to "level up" instead of players.


Well, the terrain has a glitch because I saw rocks indeed, but the grass is green
around them, and I don't see much water where the waterfalls start.


There is a LOT of undead buildings that could be mixed together to form a
better looking base other than having 12 sacrificial pit. Make a RP game where
buildings stacks and check them out, put a Boneyard and build any other
undead building on it, you'll see that the possibilities are big. Even a Boneyard
+ Sacrificial pit looks cool when they both are "working"


Play more, you can do a lot more than what I saw. I don't ask you to do
incredible things, but just improving your rock placing for exemple could be
something that would help you. Just a hint like this, try this.
Select a Doodad and hold down CTRL and press Page Up and Page Down.

I'll try to be make doodad addings fun then(lol)
okay, when V1.20 is released i'll try to add a multiboard(confused, never made a multi board before)
terrain are fixed,

• Event
  • A Unit dies
  • Condition
    • (Owner of (Dying unit)) Equal to Neutral Hostile
  • Action
    • Wait X seconds
    • create 1 (Unit of type(Dying Unit)) at postition of (Dying Unit))

Then i should make tons of region?

is there a way on how to revive it together (pm me please)

Another DOta Like !!

4.00

well, actually this is not DotA like, DotA can't upgrade it's troops manually, and their max level is 25, DotA doesn't have any events though

 

[Falzelo]

Hah, you should know that Multiboard is very important to AoS.
If you need to ask something, you can ask any one here

 

[Arisato]

Well, can you help me

EDIT:

I'm having a problem with my WCIII, i'm going to reinstall my warcraft III roc-tft, so i'll be inactive in editing maps.
oh and huntere15 while i'm gone fore repairing this, please don't edit the map without my permission.

 

[ACdestinydream]

I'll check the leaks again, but 90% of it is not leaking, if it leaks it would not even reach the maximum limit

if 90% leaks, then 90% of 1000 would be 100 which is ALOT. seriously, there shouldnt be more than 95% of leaks in a game because it will slowly cripple the game with lagggg.

Err, make a multiboard for what? heroes? killing score?0.0?

what a dumb question to ask.

i don't get it, every hero could do that, when they are strong. even other games could do that, that means the enemy player didn't upgrade the damage,defense, buy priests and knights

some people wont even bother upgrading their creeps and some dont even realise they could do so. Instead, you should make creeps upgrade themselves every 5~10mins to prevent lane soloing which is stupid.

Err.. it's from rocks.

checked it out, theres only a single pool of water.

No, it has the same count as the farms in the other team

thats worse. You shouldnt have spammed farms and sacrifical pits because overusing any buildings sucks. You can practically stack any glowing object with a non-glowing one and they will look nice.

OoOh i did play with those!
really? i'll check again in v1.19

i didnt get the error from playing with death knight too.

now i am starting to see more mistakes in the game.

Another DOta Like !!

4.00

Another DOtard Like !!

 

[Arisato]

i'm developing the multiboard with falzezo ^^ i have my wcIII installed but i deleted my map, gonna need to redownload it ^^


i'm telling you that only 1-10% of it leaks (i don't know bout this) but i'll RE CHECK in v1.20! ^^but i need to fix my com first

My com is fixed, now i just need to do somethings... ehehe v1.20 is like a wow when you see it!

 

[huntere15]

I managed to reduce the size down to 5mb

 

[Druu]

• Starting Gold
  • Events
    • Time - Elapsed game time is 1.00 seconds
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 1 (Red) Current gold
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 1 (Red) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 2 (Blue) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 3 (Teal) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 4 (Purple) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 5 (Yellow) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 6 (Orange) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 7 (Green) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 8 (Pink) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 9 (Gray) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 450 to Player 10 (Light Blue) Current lumber
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 2 (Blue) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 3 (Teal) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 4 (Purple) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 5 (Yellow) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 6 (Orange) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 7 (Green) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 8 (Pink) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 9 (Gray) Current gold
    • Player - Add 1500 to Player 10 (Light Blue) Current gold

That is your trigger

• Starting Gold
  • Events
    • Map initialization
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • Set TempPlayerGroup = (All players matching (((Matching player) controller) Equal to User))
    • Player Group - Pick every player in TempPlayerGroup and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Player - Add 1500 to (Picked player) Current gold
        • Player - Add 450 to (Picked player) Current lumber
    • Custom script: call DestroyForce(udg_TempPlayerGroup)

That is a way of making it leakless and faster to edit, if you think 1500 is too much at
some points you don't need to edit 5 lines, only one. [you could use that
for your income at every 3 seconds also]

TechResearch folder in your triggers is FULL of Leak, all of them.
BG Theme leaks, you need to destroy that sound.

Those are the things I saw quickly. Good luck with this map, you still have a
lot of work to do on it.

 

[ACdestinydream]

isnt looping actions make players get 1500 gold continuously?

lowering it down to 5mb wont help, take out more things/optimize it more.