Legendary Terrains

FrIkY · May 25, 2010

I would like to nominate some of Keiji's terrains:
The Spiritraise
Titan's house
Nature

thedeathunterxx · May 25, 2010

titans house is great. i would nominate that one.

i would also nominate megafyr's pre-cataclysm terrain from TC9.

M0rbid · May 25, 2010

Agreed, Titans House is an awesome work!

But what I would like to suggest is opening another thread which includes some more terrains maybe up to 25, becuase there are actually so many brilliant terrains which inspire the users a lot, and which should be honoured more!

Piwlady · May 25, 2010

I'd nominate the megafyr's pre-cataclysm from terrain contest, it's like best what I've ever seen.

Sephalo · May 25, 2010

Piwlady said:
I'd nominate the megafyr's pre-cataclysm from terrain contest, it's like best what I've ever seen.

This

Celaquil · May 26, 2010

M0rbid said:
Agreed, Titans House is an awesome work!

But what I would like to suggest is opening another thread which includes some more terrains maybe up to 25, becuase there are actually so many brilliant terrains which inspire the users a lot, and which should be honoured more!

Rather than making suggestions; nominate terrains. As of this moment people just agree with one another, that wont make many nominees will it? >.>

M0rbid · May 26, 2010

Yeah but personally my problem is, that if i see an awesome terrain, that was worth nominating I do not now, which one this should replace.
All top ten terrains are awesome yet, and I think it's only of personal feelings which one is the best and which one is worth replacing. From my point of view, they are all there for a reason.
But yeah, if you want a suggestion: Then I would suggest ~Void~'s SunCastle:http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...2326d1274482742-sun-castle-void_suncastle.jpg

elredir · May 26, 2010

Why replace?? wouldnt it be better if it would be a top 10 for each month?and keiji could make hidden tags like "top 10 march" an so on...

Dr. House · May 26, 2010

as long as it is about wc3 terrain im happy XD

thedeathunterxx · May 26, 2010

makes no sence to have top 25, if we know that there arn't gonna be 25 nominations.

and im sure thatmakes the top _ thread less elite if you have more terrains. keep it small and elite.

Celaquil · May 26, 2010

M0rbid said:
Yeah but personally my problem is, that if i see an awesome terrain, that was worth nominating I do not now, which one this should replace.
All top ten terrains are awesome yet, and I think it's only of personal feelings which one is the best and which one is worth replacing. From my point of view, they are all there for a reason.
But yeah, if you want a suggestion: Then I would suggest ~Void~'s SunCastle:http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...2326d1274482742-sun-castle-void_suncastle.jpg

Seems you have misunderstood the whole deal about the top ten thread, the terrains that are actually ON the list is NOT chosen by the members. People nominate what terrains they want to be on the list, then a terrain jury decides, based on voting, if it comes on the list and what number it gets.

If people like the terrains currently on the list, then people will have to nominate them again, because elseways they wont see another day at the top ten list.

M0rbid · May 26, 2010

Seems more like I can't really explain you what I was thinking about in english so nevermind.

Deolrin · May 26, 2010

FrIkY · May 26, 2010

I also want to nominate all the current top ten terrains for the next judging. :prazz:

Megafyr · Jun 4, 2010

This one should definitely be up here. Shoutsout to elredir.

elredir · Jun 14, 2010

thx mega

i think i will nominate some terrains:
meafyrs pre-cata
thedeathuntersxx rangers-quest
Frostwhisper & FamousPker49 - The Burning Sky
madsens atlantis

Gilles · Jun 15, 2010

Terrible idea. Trying to pick the top 10 terrains is ridiculous. What makes one better than another?

Besides, isn't the legendary thread good enough?

thedeathunterxx · Jun 15, 2010

there was a dicsussion on the legendary thread about how there are terrains that are outdated in both style, and in execution.

So the end conclusion was to make a seperate thread, with new terrains with newer ideas, keeping in mind that the legendary thread was the basis for alll the terrain possible today.

In other words, its just newer terrains being displayed instead of the same old ones being displayed. though i dont get why legendary terrains are in the top ten. i voted against that because it defeats the purpose of making two seperate threads if ur gonna have the same terrain in them.

Gilles · Jun 16, 2010

I still see no reason to have this thread. If a new terrain is awesome, put it in the Legendary Thread. There's already too many stickies.

Megafyr · Jun 16, 2010

You can't deny that a lot of terrains in this top 10 look better than the legendary ones. Legendary terrains are there because they are original in one way or another, and should be remembered. It's the same reason why we watch old architecture in a museum while we go shopping in shopping malls, or something like that. Shouldn't be very hard to understand imo.

Gilles · Jun 16, 2010

Megafyr said:
You can't deny that a lot of terrains in this top 10 look better than the legendary ones.

Then add them to the legendary thread.

Legendary terrains are there because they are original in one way or another, and should be remembered. It's the same reason why we watch old architecture in a museum while we go shopping in shopping malls, or something like that. Shouldn't be very hard to understand imo.

Exactly...?!

As I said, it's way too subjective to pick the top ten terrains. I don't think half of these are anywhere near the best.

Belgarath · Jun 17, 2010

what exactly was the legendary terrains thread split into the hall of fame /new releases for if not to do precisely that
i'm entirely will gilles on this, the 10 terrains in this thread, imo, have never been the top 10, nor a very good representation of them, and the jury, to be honest, is a bit stupid - 5 people, 1 of which i've NEVER heard of in the entire terrain board (and i've been here longer than most people) and 1 of which seems to be an occasional visitor, no offence to them intended. 5 people isn't exactly the best way to choose a top 10 -- if it's meant to be a top 10 of LOOKS, wouldn't that be much better decided by a public thread or discussion/ whatever?
i mean, the jury is judging on the whole execution, technique, whatever, i'm assuming, but, if they're top 10 terrains and DON'T belong in the legendary thread, shouldn't they be looks?

thedeathunterxx · Jun 17, 2010

perhaps take that up with kieji =O

Megafyr · Jun 17, 2010

I can at least assure you that this thread doesn't suffer from the has-been-done before-and-therefore-even-though-improved-it's-not-worthy-of-being-up-here-desease... Imo, the whole legendary terrain thread fails at the part where in the end only one or two decided what was gonna be up there, while in this thread on the other hand, we have public submissions that get reviewed by terrainers that know their stuff, so it is in fact less subjective. I am sure that Keiji wont bother to let more people into the jury, seeing that you are feeling rather unpleasent by the current selection, but keep in mind that a big jury will be a problem because so many users here are lazy as hell, and slow on adding scores and what not. I'm just saying. Seeing that this was going to be monthly updated and hasn't been updated for ages is a good example. That, however, doesn't take away the fact that the beloved legendary thread suffers from the same problems.

thedeathunterxx · Jun 17, 2010

ya if i remeber correctly, the legendary thread hasnt been updated in like a year.

i mean i have no problem with the legendary thread, i think it should stay there as a referance for all the terrains that have inspired others etc. And the top 10 is just a gallary of the newest hottest terrains out there. which should be changed often. I think it was a good idea.

however again im saying their shoulnd;t be legendary terrains in this thread, because it would thus defeat the purpose of having 2 threads in the first place

Belgarath · Jun 18, 2010

the legendary terrains had everyone's opinion in there, the final shot was just up to the current terrain moderator, who usually seemed to have the right area, the only current non-deserving, imo, is the summer hand of frost, which famous put up there, but thats not relevant.
i really don't understand your jury part.
if he doesn't want to let people in.. because i'm feeling unpleasant by the current selection..? what?
but if the jury is lazy and all that -- what the fuck? shouldn't this be sort of self explanatory? and as i said - 2 of the people, afaik, aren't exactly terrainers that know their stuff - friky i've never even seen in here. arcany's terrains are good, i really liked his lotr terrains in fact, but he doesn't even seem to be active in here.

so basically, if this terrain is meant to represent the "hottest latest" - please, tell me why in the name of god, it's called TOP TEN. a top ten is a representation of EVERYTHING - getting terrains just suggested for that doesn't even work, if you were to have a proper top ten, you'd have to go through to page 71 of this forum. and like i said, i'm not suggesting a big JURY, i'm suggesting a public opinion - how does this whole thing work when it's supposed to be the best by looks and all, but they're reviewed as terrains with execution, etc, instead of simply final product? because, really, if its supposed to be a representation of the latest, best looking terrains, wouldn't you simply check through the latest ones, have the current jury get the best looking ones by their standards, or something, then get the public opinion on them?
because really, the current method shows neither the hottest/latest nor the top ten of terrains - you've checked through maybe 25-40 terrains (rough guess).

and that's just guessing they're the top 10 by LOOKS

Deolrin · Jun 18, 2010

FrIkY is a great terrainer, he just doesn't show much of his terrain in public.

thedeathunterxx · Jun 18, 2010

well unlike the legendary thread, terrains get nominated by the public. u cant have 50 nominations up there, so a jury is needed to narrow down which 10 are the best out of those 50.

Megafyr · Jun 18, 2010

Belgarath said:
the legendary terrains had everyone's opinion in there, the final shot was just up to the current terrain moderator, who usually seemed to have the right area, the only current non-deserving, imo, is the summer hand of frost, which famous put up there, but thats not relevant.
i really don't understand your jury part.
if he doesn't want to let people in.. because i'm feeling unpleasant by the current selection..? what?
but if the jury is lazy and all that -- what the fuck? shouldn't this be sort of self explanatory? and as i said - 2 of the people, afaik, aren't exactly terrainers that know their stuff - friky i've never even seen in here. arcany's terrains are good, i really liked his lotr terrains in fact, but he doesn't even seem to be active in here.

so basically, if this terrain is meant to represent the "hottest latest" - please, tell me why in the name of god, it's called TOP TEN. a top ten is a representation of EVERYTHING - getting terrains just suggested for that doesn't even work, if you were to have a proper top ten, you'd have to go through to page 71 of this forum. and like i said, i'm not suggesting a big JURY, i'm suggesting a public opinion - how does this whole thing work when it's supposed to be the best by looks and all, but they're reviewed as terrains with execution, etc, instead of simply final product? because, really, if its supposed to be a representation of the latest, best looking terrains, wouldn't you simply check through the latest ones, have the current jury get the best looking ones by their standards, or something, then get the public opinion on them?
because really, the current method shows neither the hottest/latest nor the top ten of terrains - you've checked through maybe 25-40 terrains (rough guess).

and that's just guessing they're the top 10 by LOOKS

Here's how the thread works:

Step 1: Terrainer X puts out a new terrain (NEW TERRAINS ARE BEING ADDED!!!)
Step 2: User Y suggest the terrain (PUBLIC OPINION!!!)
Step 3: The terrain jury reviews the submitted terrains with scores, and the ten best scores are put up here. (FILTRATION--for the sake of order)

I fail to see anything wrong with this system, correct me if I'm wrong. Everyone can affect the terrains up here, and they change from time to time (depending on the lazyness of the jury).

I understand that you think of this method as subjective seeing that you disagree with the judges current decission. However, you have to understand that in the end a few people will have to come together and narrow it down to ten terrains, so not everyone can be equally happy with the result.

I highly doubt a poll would do more than make this top ten a total mess, but who knows? Anyway, unless you can think of a realistic system that works better than the current one, you can affect the terrains here by either joining the jury, or submitting terrains that in your opinion are missing here.

WherewolfTherewolf · Jun 18, 2010

Ugh If I remember correctly, I believe this argument has already been gone through and subsided.

Belgarath · Jun 18, 2010

debode said:
FrIkY is a great terrainer, he just doesn't show much of his terrain in public.

i only said i've never heard of him in this forum - if he is, then i apologize

the legendary terrains thread also allowed for public nominations. check through it.
what i'm saying is that if it's CALLED top ten terrains, then it should be the top ten terrains of all thw terrains. if its top ten latest, then obviously its not too subjective. but then you need to specifically state that, because at the moment, the title and the exact description of what you're saying completely contradict each other. which is it?
because seriously, a top ten of ALL terrains can not be found properly - it's far too subjective. some of the old terrains are just as great as the newest ones these days, but in a different way. they use entirely different techniques - they stand out in different kinds of ways.
and if you'd read right, i never suggested a poll. a public opinion is more of a discussion by everyone

Megafyr · Jun 19, 2010

Top Ten does sound catchy, right? How should it be called then? Anyway, this thread exists to submit terrains that we can put up here, and we have been looking through old aswell as new terrains to get to these ten. Now there is actually a new list, which Keiji yet has to update, so maybe it gets better then. It's a lot different from the current one actually.

The poll was my idea, and I mentioned it so that it at least not should come to a public poll. Because just as I said, it would fail

Belgarath · Jun 19, 2010

maybe the new list is different
what would help would be to say that it's the latest terrains - ie., Latest Top Ten (derp derp) and maybe post the criteria by which you're judging them

yeah a poll would fail horribly

Oziris · Jun 22, 2010

Can this get in somehow?

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...rd-267/84090d1277128770-aurora-aurroa-awa.jpg

Belgarath · Jun 23, 2010

i don't think so really
it's not a shit terrain or anything but it's lacking the wow factor that all (most?) terrains in here have - bright flashing lights never help that. there are some pretty stark lines on the ground that really bug me, as well as those.. stars? on the floor
also it seems really.. generic. while a flashy terrain usually doesn't really need a focus point or anything, this one is just the same all over, except for differentiating light colours, sometimes intensity.
i mean, yes, it's kinda cool. but i don't find it spectacular
maybe it's just me

YourNameHere · Jun 23, 2010

Belgarath said:
i don't think so really
it's not a shit terrain or anything but it's lacking the wow factor that all (most?) terrains in here have - bright flashing lights never help that. there are some pretty stark lines on the ground that really bug me, as well as those.. stars? on the floor
also it seems really.. generic. while a flashy terrain usually doesn't really need a focus point or anything, this one is just the same all over, except for differentiating light colours, sometimes intensity.
i mean, yes, it's kinda cool. but i don't find it spectacular
maybe it's just me

It's not just you, I've got to totally agree with that.
I mean it looks cool and all, but it's just flashy light without anything catchy which makes you say "wow".

Sheephunter · Jun 23, 2010

Almost no1 have seen my playble terrain... But I think its awesome

Geef a 10 best playble terrain!

thedeathunterxx · Jun 23, 2010

id have to say that i have never seen that type of lighting before though, and not to mention that the terrain itself does look good. although rather simple. i think it should be up there. because if what u said is true belgareth, there are alot of outdated terrains on this thread x_x

Belgarath · Jun 24, 2010

i'm quite sure i've seen lighting like or similar to that before, to me, it doesn't look that great.
and i'm not sure i see your point about what me saying outdates terrains in this thread. and isn't it meant to be for the great outdated terrains..?

Gilles · Jun 25, 2010

I TLDR basically, but what I got was that Legendary Thread wasn't democratic enough, so you made a new one? Why not just fix the one in place, or delete it.

As well, this new "improving" just fails for reasons both Bel and I explained.

Arcany · Jun 25, 2010

It is a quite good looking terrain with fair execution. The lighting effects are flashy which draws most of the attention, but it doesn't have a ''I just shat bricks''-factor and has been done before. Besides, it has some annoying flaws as Belgarath pointed out.

So, let's look at the requirements,

Welcome to THW's Legendary Terrain thread. Any terrain piece that we decide is worthy will be uploaded to this thread for all the little newbies to gaze in awe at. A legendary terrain is both perfectly-executed, original and usually sparks some influence in future pieces by newer terrainers. Contest-winning terrains have a much higher chance of being added to this thread, although it is not guaranteed.

I can now draw the following conclusion:

perfectly-executed: no
original: no
inspirational: maybe

So, no, I do not think it should be up here but I do think we should consider it for the top-10 list.

Belgarath · Jun 26, 2010

not very inspirational; the inspiration gained from flashy terrains was sucked away by me and then others 8)

thedeathunterxx · Jun 26, 2010

delete the legendary thread?

sounds like a good idea. its just the name of the thread sounds cool.

Belgarath · Jun 26, 2010

what the fuck?
haven't we established that as far as it goes, the legendary thread has achieved its purpose much better than this one? that the two thread goals are different? if i would delete one i would delete this one - its out of date, not very accurate, etc etc. i mean yes the legendary one needs a bit of an update, but that seems to be keiji being lazy and shit like he usually seems to be

Arcany · Jun 26, 2010

Hmm, I must have missed out on that era then^^

Celaquil · Jun 26, 2010

My appologies for taking a two weeks vacation, I truely must be extremely lazy >.>

Firstly, hello Gilles and welcome back from your one year travel, hope you enjoyed it and all that. It's also a welcoming sight to see you around.

Anyways, seeing as I am back there seem to be a bit to deal with here. Obviously Belg and Gilles isnt too happy about this thread, and I can understand that, but bear in mind that this thread was a result of public oppinion and therefore is very much what the public wanted, at least at the time.

As of a personal oppinion I would say that I see far too much difference in the top ten list and the legendary terrains. Seeing as the legendary terrains thread is made to honour the roots of terraining, the brilliant minds that developed new techniques for us terrainers to master these days, and all that. While the top ten list is a list that shows off the most likely latest and best looking terrains, based on five judges oppinions yes, if you do not like this idea then that is completely accepted, at this point I would like to say that Belgarath, Gilles and thedeathuterxx are completely welcome to join the jury if you want to.

As Megafyr has pointed out some times already, if you do not like the terrains currently on the list, then you are free to nominate the terrains you WANT on the list and they WILL be regarded and placed where they deserve (still based on judges oppinions). And there isnt much more I'd like to say about the case, other than thanks to Megafyr for taking the time to stand up when I was not around.

66Dragon6 · Jun 26, 2010

I have a suggestion, why dont we delete all threads on this forum and start a new, because we are in a stage of serious motherfucking internet business and cant tolerate crap

thedeathunterxx · Jun 26, 2010

keiji said it all in a nutshell.

although kieji the only flaw with this thread is that there are legendary terrains on the top 10. Even though people may have nominated it, its defewating the purpose of the top 10. may i suggest excluding legendary terrains from the top 10 terrains so that noob terrainers dont have to look at 2 legendary threads lol

**edited my typo

Sheephunter · Jun 26, 2010

I'm soooooo in to the new terrain list... if its ever gonna be one.

Belgarath · Jun 26, 2010

as i said, you keep contradicting yourself on a major point
first it's the top ten - "This is the hive workshop top ten list: terrains. It contains the top ten best looking and most appealing terrains on the hive. " then it's the top ten latest? which is it? because if its the top ten latest, then its not very accurate in that regard either, some of the terrains there are at least a year or two old, at a guess.
so really, which one is it

also the vacation explains a lot but you could've told us :- (

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