Beyond the Throne: Tides of Darkness

[Trilby]

Lumber is gathered in the Night Elf fashion. Gold it mined by the mine itself after you summon it.

The primary difference is that instead of a food limit your units have a timer. The two ways to increase the timer are by killing enemy units or building a farm like structure.

Units are also summoned, not trained, as buildings have mana. I've created an ultra-aggressive race. If you'd be interested in play-testing it with me in a few days let me know.

Sounds interesting. Anytime during the weekend would be fine for me.

 

[Kam]

For some reason I'm getting 404 Not Found for that link, but its ok.
Oh and Kam what is that Turtle unit that MiniMage is talking about?
By the way I really want to say I'm liking your melee maps with all your custom stuff in it.

He's referring to the Goblin War Turtle model. I'll see about making it available when I get home - it's up to the author.

EDIT: As it turns out Rommel posted a link to all of Phoenix-IV's model packs on xgm: http://xgm.ru/forum/showpost.php?p=425440&postcount=336 It's in there.

I'll let you know Trilby.

EDIT 2: Added a screenshot of some of the new techtree.

 

[Kam]

I'll be releasing an update soon. The purpose of this release is to get feedback from you guys. Specifically:

-How do you feel about the unit composition, their roles, and usage.
-How you think the third race should progress.
-Unit and spell suggestions for the Orc (Temple of the Damned) and Human (Mage Tower) magic units.
-Should I keep heroes at all? Currently you can vote to disable them at the game start. Besides the obvious balance issue they account for nearly 2000 kbs of data.

This version will lack an AI as it doesn't make sense to work on it anymore until all three tech-trees are worked out.

 

[Kam]

Update released. Please play and provide feedback.

 

[Deleted member 177737]

Can you change the dark blue color in the OP to something lighter, I can barley even read the letters in that color.

 

[A]mun]

Paladings Reconstituion tooltip says 20% increased life regeneration, but when highlighting his buff it displays as 30%.

And its their roles instead of rolls in this text ->
-How do you feel about the unit composition, their rolls, and usage.

Now to the important points:

I felt the gameplay experience was too basic without heroes, so anyway if people would want to play without them they could use the already implemented voting system, therefore it should stay the way it is.

I will look think about more suggestions throughout the upcoming days.

P.S: Give us more player space to test it in a bigger scale ;D, 4 at least to have a 2v2

 

[Kam]

I look forward to more feedback.

I am afraid I don't have time to create a 4 player map right now. The time invested is somewhat significant as the terrain must be balanced for naval combat. What I am really hoping for is an enormous amount of feedback so I can make a leap to a polished version.

 

[Ken-E]

The heroes were unique and was very well designed, don't get me wrong, the skills are magnificent. But if there's a voting, I would've vote for removal, because there are already too many units (I think that's just me) and also, BtT is already sticking too much on a Warcraft 3 themed game, old Warcraft 2 magic is fading away. But then again, its not really a flaw for keeping them.

I am afraid I don't have time to create a 4 player map right now.

I would be glad to offer one of my 4 player maps for BtT's development, just copy the terrain from one of my melee maps and use them for your project, if you think it it lacks water for battles, I could make something up, tweak it for naval battles. This is just an offer though.

 

[Kam]

If you want to make something I'd appreciate it. Please note some specifics though:

-I do not use Blizzard cliffs.
-Roughly 60% of the map needs to be water. Deep water is a strategic asset for naval units and should be placed accordingly. Expansion mines should also be more vulnerable to naval units.
-This water can't restrict movement of ground units.

Basically if you look at Severed Isles it should give you a good idea for what I expect. Any tile set is ok except Outland and Dungeon.

 

[Ken-E]

If you want to make something I'd appreciate it. Please note some specifics though:

-I do not use Blizzard cliffs.
-Roughly 60% of the map needs to be water. Deep water is a strategic asset for naval units and should be placed accordingly. Expansion mines should also be more vulnerable to naval units.
-This water can't restrict movement of ground units.

Basically if you look at Severed Isles it should give you a good idea for what I expect. Any tile set is ok except Outland and Dungeon.

I could make those necessary changes, probably would use (4)Archipelago.

 

[TaShadan]

if someone wants to test this map send me a pm

 

[TaShadan]

had some nice games with kam
btw we should open an irc channel or something like that to meet

 

[MrStormyZ]

had some nice games with kam
btw we should open an irc channel or something like that to meet

ya know, let's just meet on Hive chat

no one needs another software, neither do they need to register

 

[Ken-E]

So I didn't really got the chance to leave a feedback about the Lost faction, so it was a great add, no doubt about that, although its kinda rip-off version of the undead but its both art and combat wise. The mana usage for units was fair but the only thing is making it unbalanced it that the Lost didn't required food, also, this way, they can't buy mercenaries. I just felt it should have food to keep it much balance, otherwise, all factions should have no or with food.

 

[Kam]

http://webchat.quakenet.org/?channels=beyondthethrone

This is an IRC channel for organizing games.

 

[Kam]

New test version is out. Lost have been significantly balanced.

 

[TaShadan]

guys join the irc channel to test the new version

 

[TaShadan]

When is Kam coming back from his Europe trip?

 

[Kam]

By the 29th.

 

[TaShadan]

alright
do you enjoy your trip?
sadly noone wants to play vs me

 

[Kam]

The trip is wonderful. You're too good at this game.

 

[gorillabull]

you've worked on this for 5 years?

 

[Kam]

I suppose the most accurate date would be August 2002. I'll update that.

 

[TaShadan]

i think you should add a map for 2on2

 

[Kam]

I'll do that when I get home.

 

[TaShadan]

I dont think iam too good. Steven Seagal thinks the others dont have...:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRkujysJG9A

 

[Ken-E]

New screenies for the map template I'm working for Kam's BtT. I would be releasing a standard melee version of the map but not now. The beta template was already sent to Kam, I am still looking for exploits and bugs about the map though.

Screenies

 

[sonofjay]

@Ken-E beautiful terrain for melee map as always,

 

[MasterHaosis]

Ken-E,
Beautiful terrian for melee map as always!

 

[Malvodion]

This is looking good so far.

 

[TaShadan]

nice want to play vs me on the map?

 

[Ken-E]

The map is currently on standard melee. Kam, pointed out some criticisms that I needed to fix at the moment.

 

[sonofjay]

The map is currently on standard melee. Kam, pointed out some criticisms that I needed to fix at the moment.

If you need assistant just tell me Ken, you know how I work.

 

[TaShadan]

still searching for guys playing this

 

[MasterHaosis]

Ken-E, is this standard melee map? You did not plan to put any army in map or add new units?

 

[Kam]

I believe he's making a standard melee, however I'll be adding all of my material eventually.

 

[Kam]

I've nearly completed a 4 player map. I call it Frigid Wheel.

 

[TaShadan]

nice

 

[sonofjay]

I love the outcome, good job.

 

[TaShadan]

tell me when its playable iam up for a game

 

[Ken-E]

The standard melee version of the BtT map is out now.
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/murky-water-melee-216273/
I also attached a would-be BtT version, since the standard one doesn't have much spaces for boats to manuever, should anyone feel trying the map, please go ahead.

 

[sonofjay]

Drop the review on the map section, good job Ken

 

[TaShadan]

someone up to test the map with me?

 

[Kam]

That looks great Ken-E.

 

[xvarts]

The drrunge name needs to be fixed. (this is how it is spelled in game). Add + to rep

 

[Kam]

Version 3.9.4.9 is out.

 

[Kam]

Version update to fix the Lost timer system. It now works correctly.

 

[TaShadan]

someone up for a game?

 

[IDownloadDwarves]

How do I install this, I'm new to WC III modding.

 

[Kam]

It's not something you have to install. Put the map file into your Warcraft 3 maps folder. You won't be able to open it with World Editor.