The Darkening Wars v1.42

[Ham Ham]

Couldnt they just have large cooldowns instead mana?

 

[Doomguard]

Great map man 5/5

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Couldnt they just have large cooldowns instead mana?

What, the attacks or the abilities? (I'll assume you meant abilities, because that's more logical.)

I suppose that could work. That way, the mana could be reserved for ammunition. Then I'd have to find a way to fit a "reload" on every unit. I suppose I could just make the unit unable to attack for the duration of the "reload" and then refill its mana. I'll see what I can do.

Great map man 5/5

Thanks!

 

[Ham Ham]

Tank and Howitzers: Correct. I will definitely fix this as soon as possible. Not having miss correctly is a big issue.

Just make like I have done on 0.1.0 of Gulf War: Make the tank/howitzer has a dummy attack, and create a dummy to fire.

Computer Issue: I don't know why, when you set more than one comp, the other ones bug out and decide to fail. I'll see if I can get this fixed up. The infantry thing, I'll see about that one too. I might turn it off. Currently, difficulty setting increases the resources comps produce. So, don't forget to make insane bots. They do actually play a little better. However, this is also from the perspective of my most current version, where I already revised bots slightly.

Do you want help with AI?
You can send to me an unprotected version of this map. I can do an AI that works properly for every human players in less than 40 hours.

Tank thing: It's always been a problem. But then you think about it: Would you really throw riflemen at a tank? I will probably nerf tank damage versus infantry, and increase it against vehicles to make the game go to proper speed. Grenadiers are the only real infantry that are effective against tanks, and only after researching Explosive Armaments. I'm going to make that research earlier in the tree to be more accessible. Infantry are definitely going to gain solutions against tanks.

The problem is: I left my infantry guarding the city entrance, i go train my new units, work with researches, build new things, etc., and, when I back, I notice that my whole infantry platoon has just become a big pile of gore.
The thing here is: After you able to build tanks, you will not want to train infantry anymore, because they have almost the same price, and 12 infantry cant do anything against 1 tank.

Ammo system: If it's simple and lag free, I'd be happy to add it. If I do implement it, it will be "infinite but with reloading," as in, infantry must reload after X shots, but never have to go back to base to get more bullets.

I would suggest your units having to reload at supply stashes. That would make that building have more use.




EDIT: I will not rate this map now. If you can fix all the bugs, I will give a 5/5 for sure.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Just make like I have done on 0.1.0 of Gulf War: Make the tank/howitzer has a dummy attack, and create a dummy to fire.

Hm. But that means manual targetting for the MLRS artillery unit. That actually might not be a totally horrible idea. But I'll have to see about it. I had it working at some point, if only I could recover it. Right now, I believe the problem is that one of the triggers loops itself in a bad way that shouldn't be happening.

Do you want help with AI?
You can send to me an unprotected version of this map. I can do an AI that works properly for every human players in less than 40 hours.

Help would be wonderful with the AI. I'd give you even more time to work with the AI if you needed it. But all you need for the AI editor is really the object data. Should I just send that to you?

The problem is: I left my infantry guarding the city entrance, i go train my new units, work with researches, build new things, etc., and, when I back, I notice that my whole infantry platoon has just become a big pile of gore.
The thing here is: After you able to build tanks, you will not want to train infantry anymore, because they have almost the same price, and 12 infantry cant do anything against 1 tank.

You are correct for that one. Infantry get gored real bad by tanks. But I do want to (at least partially) have this be realistic. Perhaps I introduce a tank fighting squadron earlier in the game, to make it easier?

My thoughts on this issue were such that the amount of tech required to build tanks offset the power of tanks versus infantry. Maybe I'll add a light vehicle that's effective against the tank, or give Humvees at least some fighting capability versus armored vehicles (such as TOW missiles).

I would suggest your units having to reload at supply stashes. That would make that building have more use.

The building, all in all, is really just a supply depot. The name of its ability has been changed to avoid confusion. It just makes the whole game experience so much more tedious if infantry have to keep running to base, and makes them even weaker (against everything).

EDIT: I will not rate this map now. If you can fix all the bugs, I will give a 5/5 for sure.

That's entirely fine. I don't think I deserve a (perfect) rating 'till I fix some of these bugs either.

 

[Ham Ham]

Hm. But that means manual targetting for the MLRS artillery unit. That actually might not be a totally horrible idea. But I'll have to see about it. I had it working at some point, if only I could recover it. Right now, I believe the problem is that one of the triggers loops itself in a bad way that shouldn't be happening.

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Help would be wonderful with the AI. I'd give you even more time to work with the AI if you needed it. But all you need for the AI editor is really the object data. Should I just send that to you?

That would be a little hard to me on testing the game. Why can't you send me an open version? Do you fear that I can steal your map? Come on man! Everyone on the Hive know me. I have a reputation to care about.

You are correct for that one. Infantry get gored real bad by tanks. But I do want to (at least partially) have this be realistic. Perhaps I introduce a tank fighting squadron earlier in the game, to make it easier?

No, that would make people rush. That shall ruin the game.
I suggest:
1) Giving infantry 50% of resistance to explosives.
2) Decreasing tank AOE to like 25, and increasing his miss area.

Tanks cannot be an infantry killing machine. Because, in real life, a tank never would rush against an infantry platoon, because infantry can hide in the rubble, and ambush him with RPGs (Rocket Propelled Granades).

My thoughts on this issue were such that the amount of tech required to build tanks offset the power of tanks versus infantry. Maybe I'll add a light vehicle that's effective against the tank, or give Humvees at least some fighting capability versus armored vehicles (such as TOW missiles).

You should make RPG infantry be available much before a tank.

The building, all in all, is really just a supply depot. The name of its ability has been changed to avoid confusion. It just makes the whole game experience so much more tedious if infantry have to keep running to base, and makes them even weaker (against everything).

I have to agree.


More suggestions:

- Barricades should have an aura that increases the armor of nearby infantry.

- Units could be a little smaller, to fit with real life range.

- Your terrain should be a little more apocalyptic. If it is a snow age, I suppose that everything should be covered in snow, and have large city ruins over the map.

- Copy my ruble system from WW3 Nuclear Sunrise, and make the rubble act as a cover for nearby infantry (increasing their defense)

 

[Angry_Bovine]

That would be a little hard to me on testing the game. Why can't you send me an open version? Do you fear that I can steal your map? Come on man! Everyone on the Hive know me. I have a reputation to care about.

Oh, I didn't mean it like that. Anyway, I wasn't thinking. I've sent you a PM.

No, that would make people rush. That shall ruin the game.
I suggest:
1) Giving infantry 50% of resistance to explosives.
2) Decreasing tank AOE to like 25, and increasing his miss area.

Early anti-tank infantry makes people rush? Not necessarily. Effectiveness versus tanks does not equate to effectiveness versus structures. Plus, humans are a little on the weak side in terms of early offense. I talk about infantry damage from tanks later on.

And, I've already reduced Tank AoE in the last patch again. They miss plenty, and in a pretty big area.

Tanks cannot be an infantry killing machine. Because, in real life, a tank never would rush against an infantry platoon, because infantry can hide in the rubble, and ambush him with RPGs (Rocket Propelled Granades).

True to some extent. I know, in real life they can't just rush infantry in a realistic situation. However, that is because the infantry generally do have cover and can hide from the tank. On this map, that's nearly impossible to simulate real combat in terms of that.

If only I had a way to design a system where infantry could take cover...

However, the RPG ambush is sorta untrue. A normal rocket propelled grenade is unable to penetrate any sort of real tank armor. You'll need javelin-esque missiles to really cause major damage.

You should make RPG infantry be available much before a tank.

They already are. They just aren't quite effective at destroying tanks until they get their Explosive Armaments research. They come in the advanced infantry squad.

More suggestions:

- Barricades should have an aura that increases the armor of nearby infantry.

- Units could be a little smaller, to fit with real life range.

- Your terrain should be a little more apocalyptic. If it is a snow age, I suppose that everything should be covered in snow, and have large city ruins over the map.

- Copy my ruble system from WW3 Nuclear Sunrise, and make the rubble act as a cover for nearby infantry (increasing their defense)

-Barricades are destructables and not units, so that's probably not doable. The barricades are really just used to block stuff off with enough of them, rather than being a viable defensive structure. I might change that soon enough.

-If the units get any smaller, it'll be hard to click on them and identify them. I'll be unlikely to change this.

-Yes, the terrain should be more apocalyptic. I'll work on it. Terrain's not really my forte. And plus, if there's more ruins around the map, I can implement some sort of system of taking cover.

-Increasing defense isn't exactly realistic. I might make the game check for rubble in between the path of the tank's attack and have it hit the rubble if the rubble is in between the tank and the infantry.

-Just so you know, the coefficient that explosive damage (used by tanks) is 40% damage dealt against infantry targets. This is a very low amount already. I don't think I'll lower this further.

 

[Ham Ham]

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What about making tank shoots hit rubble or barricades if infantry is near?

Like, center a small region on the attacked unit, and, if there's a barricade, or ruble pile near it, make the tank hit that!

I can do it for you if you want.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

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What about making tank shoots hit rubble or barricades if infantry is near?

Like, center a small region on the attacked unit, and, if there's a barricade, or ruble pile near it, make the tank hit that!

I can do it for you if you want.

Nah, don't worry about it, simple stuff I can more than easily implement. I do believe circular areas are better than region, so selecting units/doodads within X range of a point is always... more realistic, perhaps, than a square area.

I'll see if I can develop a infantry "squad" system, or what you might call a "grouping" system so that infantry microing is easier, as well as having them hide behind cover.

 

[wereguy2]

Great map, I loved it.
It may actually be better than retail RTSs!
5/5

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Great map, I loved it.
It may actually be better than retail RTSs!
5/5

Thanks, that means a lot to me!

The next version is almost out, and it will contain the beta version of the machine race as well as many improvements to both existing factions!

 

[Discohydra]

AGAIN, Sorry for the doublepost

The Good:
Very technical combat environment,
Excellent concept.
Good programming, No leaks.
Very well executed.
AI is a good opponent.
The "Squads" being trained is a good setup.

The Bad:
The seeming "best" features are unimplemented.
Tactical Aid seems to have NO value!
Howitzer is hard to use. Use a "Immolation" based ability to anchor and un-anchor it.
AI only uses infantry.
The AIRSTRIKE Doesn't work.

The Advice:
When making autocasting abilities with a situation of the MLRS, Use an ability that only targets the casting unit.
When using abilities auto-casted by trigger, make sure that that spell's range is greater than the attack range, or the unit will just lock up on trying to cast it when it range is shorter than the attack range.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

The Good:
Very technical combat environment,
Excellent concept.
Good programming, No leaks.
Very well executed.
AI is a good opponent.
The "Squads" being trained is a good setup.

I'm glad you like these features. Thanks for the praise.

The Bad:
The seeming "best" features are unimplemented.
Tactical Aid seems to have NO value!
Howitzer is hard to use. Use a "Immolation" based ability to anchor and un-anchor it.
AI only uses infantry.
The AIRSTRIKE Doesn't work.

Which "best" features would you like first? I'm sort of lax when updating it, now, recently as school as started taking up my time. However, I will do my best to implement these features as quickly as I can.

The Tactical Aid will serve as a way to launch long distance artillery attacks, espionage, as well as aid in the future. For now, it sits on the sidelines, acting as a counter of how many units you've slaughtered.

The Howitzer will be fixed next patch, as well as the AI. I've had problems with the AI consistently, though, with Ham Ham's help, it should be good.

I apologize for the Airstrike, really, I've always wanted to add it in but never found the time to. I've also always wanted to write it myself instead of depending on someone else's code. I might just borrow a code (with credits) in the short term and then retype it as my own code later.

The Advice:
When making autocasting abilities with a situation of the MLRS, Use an ability that only targets the casting unit.
When using abilities auto-casted by trigger, make sure that that spell's range is greater than the attack range, or the unit will just lock up on trying to cast it when it range is shorter than the attack range.

The MLRS can cast its ability on other units? I didn't know this. I'll see what I can do about it.

And for the second auto-cast thing, I'm not certain which unit is locking up trying to cast it. I've certainly seen the Vulcan Tower do this a few times. The MLRS is just buggy in general, and will be fixed real soon.

 

[Discohydra]

Reasons. SORRY FOR DP AGAIN!

I'm glad you like these features. Thanks for the praise.



Which "best" features would you like first? I'm sort of lax when updating it, now, recently as school as started taking up my time. However, I will do my best to implement these features as quickly as I can.

The Tactical Aid will serve as a way to launch long distance artillery attacks, espionage, as well as aid in the future. For now, it sits on the sidelines, acting as a counter of how many units you've slaughtered.

The Howitzer will be fixed next patch, as well as the AI. I've had problems with the AI consistently, though, with Ham Ham's help, it should be good.

I apologize for the Airstrike, really, I've always wanted to add it in but never found the time to. I've also always wanted to write it myself instead of depending on someone else's code. I might just borrow a code (with credits) in the short term and then retype it as my own code later.



The MLRS can cast its ability on other units? I didn't know this. I'll see what I can do about it.

And for the second auto-cast thing, I'm not certain which unit is locking up trying to cast it. I've certainly seen the Vulcan Tower do this a few times. The MLRS is just buggy in general, and will be fixed real soon.

Alright, It cant cast it on with units, but, make it so it doesn't have a range. make it so it only casts on self, like the Faerie dragon's "mana flare" ability, except it dont morph, only gives the buff.

The only reason why i cant use the airstrike is that the range for its ability is limited to that of a war stomp, so i cant test it.

the "Best" features im talking about is the stuff that makes things go boom, of course, Airstrike, MLRS, Tactical aid.

the booming artillery is my style, like the air support (bomber, fighter)
and the artillery (2S19, MLRS)
And the "Aid" (Prehaps add some support features to the tactical aid? Like a mass attack? or a mass artillery strike when the MLRS is implemented?, or a mass ordering of some bombs when the airstrike is fixed?)

Finally, If somthing is really buggy, (Like the MLRS), Make sure to disable it in the tech tree if you not gonna do it now, not only does it save space in the factory, but it also adds room for another project.

Post script:
Did you know that this map is the only one with the word "Darkening" in it? It makes this map real easy to find, Good choice of words.

 

[Hugomath]

Hey,i think u can try change the AI,because he just train one type of squad every time,and he doesn't do research,try put an AI that send tanks or planes or both.
But it's a veryveryvery good map.

 

[Bumkt]

Keep up the good work. There is an issue with turrets they cause massive lag I think it might be some kind of memory leak.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Alright, It cant cast it on with units, but, make it so it doesn't have a range. make it so it only casts on self, like the Faerie dragon's "mana flare" ability, except it dont morph, only gives the buff.

The only reason why i cant use the airstrike is that the range for its ability is limited to that of a war stomp, so i cant test it.

the "Best" features im talking about is the stuff that makes things go boom, of course, Airstrike, MLRS, Tactical aid.

the booming artillery is my style, like the air support (bomber, fighter)
and the artillery (2S19, MLRS)
And the "Aid" (Prehaps add some support features to the tactical aid? Like a mass attack? or a mass artillery strike when the MLRS is implemented?, or a mass ordering of some bombs when the airstrike is fixed?)

Finally, If somthing is really buggy, (Like the MLRS), Make sure to disable it in the tech tree if you not gonna do it now, not only does it save space in the factory, but it also adds room for another project.

Post script:
Did you know that this map is the only one with the word "Darkening" in it? It makes this map real easy to find, Good choice of words.

Ah, I'm glad the name was good and unique. It's hard to come by those nowadays. But on to more pressing matters: Yes, I intend to implement and fix all of those. I guess I didn't want to take the MLRS out from the tech tree because I kept wanting to fix it, but really never got around to seriously doing just that. I'll work my ass off to get these fixes in after my next race comes out. I'd rather let there be one buggy unit in one race then delay the coming of the next.

And I full well agree with you on many of the things you said. I like big explosions too. Who doesn't? So, I'll get to work on those when I can. You should be able to start air-striking the hell out of mutants in the next patch.

Hey,i think u can try change the AI,because he just train one type of squad every time,and he doesn't do research,try put an AI that send tanks or planes or both.
But it's a veryveryvery good map.

The AI is a critical issue I'm already looking at. Thanks for the concern and update on the matter. I appreciate the praise.

Keep up the good work. There is an issue with turrets they cause massive lag I think it might be some kind of memory leak.

I've had this happen to myself a few times as well; it's really not intended, but I'm certain it's no memory leak. It's a trigger that runs itself recursively unintentionally; I'll find it and quash it.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Okay, I've been caught low on time, and I'm really behind schedule, so here's a premature version 1.20. Machines have been added, but they're far from finished. Expect there to be a "b" patch.

 

[Bumkt]

Hey tried the machine race pretty good use of energy can't wait to see the race finished though. I think it'd be interesting if you added some kind of salvaging ability for them to salvage dead machinery for oil/iron

 

[TrOiA]

Cool 5/5

 

[ShadowDemonLord]

You should try adding an ally system over all it's great.

 

[InfiniteSeven]

Hmm... This map is quite well made and I see some hard work. I love many aspects of ithe map, especially the uniqueness and cool systems of each race. The large number of units, and options to go with is quite fun and there's no denying that this map has great potential and is quite well made.

But, there are many, many bugs and aspects I think aren't good. I tried the humans when I played on LAN, so I'll explain and list my problems with the humans so far.

Firstly, why does normal infantry get a permanent engine blow out when they're hit sometimes? At least about 1/6 of my infantry got engine blow outs permanently when they were hit

Second, why do sometimes Light Assault Tanks (Don't know about other tanks, I finished the game early on.) become under control by Neutral Passive? I lost some of my tanks during the battle against some human infantry.

Third, the Darkslayer Gunship's rocket pod discharge is... kinda pathetic and almost useless in my opinion. Unless they land a direct hit in the center of a target, they do not damage (which I think is absurd, since the rocket shows a large explosion after it strikes) and they don't deal that big of a damage for what they hit anyway, enough to deal kill or heavily damage some lighter units like infantry, but really not useful against anything in particular

Fourth, the Vulcans seem so useless and I detest them so much. They almost never hit, against anything really, and they don't attack things close by until after they've gotten quite far in. I had several vulcans targeting all kinds of enemies but they never hit anything, and when they did they did pathetic damage, even when compared to infantry they deal such low damage.

Fifth, I kinda hate it when the injuries occur that they don't go away unless they're healed by medics. Mainly due to the fact that the infantry heal on their own over time and by the time I got medics, they were all unabled to be healed until I actually forcibly damaged him just to heal him... Probably better to make the buff go away after a while if it can't be healed.

Six, many good features, such as Airstrikes, Tactical Aid etc, are unavailible. I understand they're underdevelopment, fair enough, but it wasn't really good when I was attacked by my friend's mutant army.

Well, I didn't play for long since it ended prematurely anyway. But there are a lot of problems I encountered before I can rate it a 5/5 or even a 4/5 sorry to say. And the machines seem to have problems too, especially with the few units capable of attacking, or so my friend says. The AI's kinda weak as well but yeah that's fine right now.

In the end I can rate it 3/5 right now due to some bugs and imbalances and the fact that the whole thing is still incomplete, but I'll rate it when the map's more developed, and I think it'd be worth 5/5 when its finished, since the the map is really quite fun in the end, though I wasn't happy about things.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Hey tried the machine race pretty good use of energy can't wait to see the race finished though. I think it'd be interesting if you added some kind of salvaging ability for them to salvage dead machinery for oil/iron

They'll be finished when they're finished, hopefully sooner than later. I was thinking of giving them the ability to salvage dead machinery. That'll probably be implemented at some point.

You should try adding an ally system over all it's great.

I did add one. Read the patch notes. The host needs to type -aa to enable it, however. Overall, the whole alliance/team system still needs to be completed, but for now it'll work.

Hmm... This map is quite well made and I see some hard work. I love many aspects of ithe map, especially the uniqueness and cool systems of each race. The large number of units, and options to go with is quite fun and there's no denying that this map has great potential and is quite well made.

But, there are many, many bugs and aspects I think aren't good. I tried the humans when I played on LAN, so I'll explain and list my problems with the humans so far.

Firstly, why does normal infantry get a permanent engine blow out when they're hit sometimes? At least about 1/6 of my infantry got engine blow outs permanently when they were hit

Second, why do sometimes Light Assault Tanks (Don't know about other tanks, I finished the game early on.) become under control by Neutral Passive? I lost some of my tanks during the battle against some human infantry.

Third, the Darkslayer Gunship's rocket pod discharge is... kinda pathetic and almost useless in my opinion. Unless they land a direct hit in the center of a target, they do not damage (which I think is absurd, since the rocket shows a large explosion after it strikes) and they don't deal that big of a damage for what they hit anyway, enough to deal kill or heavily damage some lighter units like infantry, but really not useful against anything in particular

Fourth, the Vulcans seem so useless and I detest them so much. They almost never hit, against anything really, and they don't attack things close by until after they've gotten quite far in. I had several vulcans targeting all kinds of enemies but they never hit anything, and when they did they did pathetic damage, even when compared to infantry they deal such low damage.

Fifth, I kinda hate it when the injuries occur that they don't go away unless they're healed by medics. Mainly due to the fact that the infantry heal on their own over time and by the time I got medics, they were all unabled to be healed until I actually forcibly damaged him just to heal him... Probably better to make the buff go away after a while if it can't be healed.

Six, many good features, such as Airstrikes, Tactical Aid etc, are unavailible. I understand they're underdevelopment, fair enough, but it wasn't really good when I was attacked by my friend's mutant army.

Well, I didn't play for long since it ended prematurely anyway. But there are a lot of problems I encountered before I can rate it a 5/5 or even a 4/5 sorry to say. And the machines seem to have problems too, especially with the few units capable of attacking, or so my friend says. The AI's kinda weak as well but yeah that's fine right now.

In the end I can rate it 3/5 right now due to some bugs and imbalances and the fact that the whole thing is still incomplete, but I'll rate it when the map's more developed, and I think it'd be worth 5/5 when its finished, since the the map is really quite fun in the end, though I wasn't happy about things.

Lots of good points you have made, and I thank you for enjoying the map. I do believe you were correct on quite a few, though some are working exactly as intended. These are the kind of things that help the most. Let me go through what you've said:

On the issue of infantry: I've never had that happen before. I'll look into it. It seems that one of my triggers which should only be running when a vehicle is hit is running for infantry. I'll fix that one asap.

On the issue of Light Tanks: Sometimes light tanks have their drivers killed when they sustain too much damage, thus becoming neutral passive. I've never had enough infantry vs. tank action to test this out completely, though this is highly due to infantry. This sort of thing should be working as intended, though I'll run some more tests to see if I should reduce the rate at which the drivers are killed. (Yes, snipers with heavy Anti-Armor rounds should be able to kill the driver of a tank even through the armor. This is to counter the power of tanks versus infantry, generally.)

On the Darkslayer's Discharge: Before a recent patch, this ability was completely overpowered, so it was overhauled to the current system. Why is it so weak? It's not meant to destroy infantry nor heavy vehicles. The Darkslayer is a hit and run; its meant to harass the enemy and lay down fire against Light Vehicles. That's why the missiles cause explosive damage. I'll increase the AoE of the missiles if it seems like it's not doing enough, which you hint at. However, in number, I've found that spamming enough rockets with the discharge (from multiple darkslayers) gets the job done surprisingly well.

On the issue of Vulcans: What rank of Vulcan Turrets were you using? In any case, Vulcans too were overpowered previous to a few patches. They have really been scaled down because more powerful base defenses would prove to be a roadblock in the speed of the game. Vulcans are not meant to be "The Base Defense;" rather, they are supplementary to your other units stationed at your base.

5th issue: Infantry heal over time because they have gained veterancy. However, even with the trickle healing they gain through that should not be able to remove their wounds. This is because of the laggy triggerwork needed to ensure that only the proper wounds stay on the targets. I believe it will be fair for me to say that I will give medics and easier way to remove wounds without having it to heal a unit.

6th issue: That's been a problem throughout. As I've said in previous posts, I'll get those done when they're done. For now, I believe humans can beat mutants and vice versa. It's really up to how you play. Another point is that even with Tactical Aid implemented, it'll still be balanced against the mutant's Mutation Menu, which allow them to do similar ability (with a more mutant flavor to it).

Your conclusion: Don't feel bad if you can't give me a good rating. Criticism helps a hell of a lot more than comments like "What a great map!!!!! 5/5!!!" In any case, the Machines just aren't finished at all; I released it well before I should have, and I understand that. They will be the first thing I finish. And the AI, too, if the AI editor was just more cooperative. I'm glad you enjoyed the map overall, and I apologize for the issues. You should see nice patches in the future that address most, if not all, these issues I have explained.

 

[Hugomath]

Angry bovine:
I've played the version 1.20a w/ the machines and i can't find where the researchs can be done.Please tell me where i can do research for the machines.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Angry bovine:
I've played the version 1.20a w/ the machines and i can't find where the researchs can be done.Please tell me where i can do research for the machines.

Simply put, I just haven't added them in yet. This version was released after I intended to release it, but at a stage in production in which I shouldn't have released now (in afterthought). What this means is, I'll be working quickly with a series of minor patches to bring machines up to speed so players no longer play a 20-30% functioning race.

 

[onyxja]

I love machines but they only have 3 units and no upgrades that works yet and lc-f2r sucks 1 normal trooper is better.lc-f2r they take a 2/10 of a scouts life when they hit. can't wait for next patch then mayby machienes is mutch better.

I also love the machines build system but can you make it so i can build bulding longer away from my base plz.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

I love machines but they only have 3 units and no upgrades that works yet and lc-f2r sucks 1 normal trooper is better.lc-f2r they take a 2/10 of a scouts life when they hit. can't wait for next patch then mayby machienes is mutch better.

I also love the machines build system but can you make it so i can build bulding longer away from my base plz.

I'm not certain if this feature is available on live, but the "Repair Facility" building expands your building range (because it can also set down nanite structures).

Uh, I'll finish working on machines when I feel up to it. I haven't had the heart of it for a while now, there's no inspiration. I've been working on my AOS map in the meantime. I hope to get to you soon and have a patched up version.

 

[onyxja]

I hope you will get insperation soon becouse i love this game my friend and i love it we are playing it most hosting it and playing local my favorite map number 2.
From me it gets 6+/5
P.S(i always pawn my friend im human and bulding defend)
P.S.S(he won't be happy if he see this)

 

[Bumkt]

just seeing if this is still being worked on?

 

[Discohydra]

Ahhh, This map is dieing like much of my favorite maps.

 

[onyxja]

Plz do a small update it's big on B.net plz plz plz plz






P.S plz

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Eh, death is a point of view. As I've said, I've had to take some time off this for reasons w/ school and WoW, and my next map, Honor of the Damned. I should have a small update soon... hopefully, it'll get me back into the swing of things. If you're still hanging around, thanks. I really appreciate it.

 

[Zinive]

woohaa what a twist. I hope you stop with working on any map besides this one

 

[InfiniteSeven]

With the new update and some things being cleared up, this map is brilliant and deserves a 5 from me, despite some things not implemented its good enough for a 5 from me, in my opinion.

I enjoyed my time as a mutant.

 

[onyxja]

Yay finally now the mecha race is better.

 

[Dtelm]

This map seems amazing, its a unique idea with some awesome gameplay. (From what ive seen)

But, unfortuneatly, i seem to be expereienceing ALOT of fatal errors. Three times in a row, early game we all get a fatal error. I'd love to get a chance to play the game through and give it a proper review, but as of 1.20b optimized, i cant seem to do that. It seems to be an amazing map, if only i could just play it start to finish.

~Dtelm

EDIT: Three more games, Three more crashes. Definatly a game-breaking bug.

 

[chenlimin]

I was waiting for this update for ages, I really like mech's idea, and hope it can be finish (YEA IT'S FINISHED)

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Thanks for all the quick comments! Thanks for hanging around.

This map seems amazing, its a unique idea with some awesome gameplay. (From what ive seen)

But, unfortuneatly, i seem to be expereienceing ALOT of fatal errors. Three times in a row, early game we all get a fatal error. I'd love to get a chance to play the game through and give it a proper review, but as of 1.20b optimized, i cant seem to do that. It seems to be an amazing map, if only i could just play it start to finish.

~Dtelm

EDIT: Three more games, Three more crashes. Definatly a game-breaking bug.

My deepest apologies. Do you happen to be using bots? I had forgotten to disable using the AI; there seems to be a fatal error when using computer players. I'll be fixing this as soon as I can.

 

[Dtelm]

No problem man, i know how much work goes into making a map, you cant really be expected to cover every base every version. Im pretty sure i used computers in each game that got a fatal error. Ill try it without bots.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

No problem man, i know how much work goes into making a map, you cant really be expected to cover every base every version. Im pretty sure i used computers in each game that got a fatal error. Ill try it without bots.

Sounds good. I'd love to hear how your game goes, and I appreciate the time you put into playing the map.

 

[Dtelm]

The Darkening Wars v1.20b
by AngryBovine

Concept: 4/5
While normally i would not give high concept score into a modified melee, there is some apparent orginality here that deserves credit. Humans, Mutants, and Machines. The points here are awarded due to the distinct mechanical differences between the three races. I love the weather system, and although it is not yet implemented, tactical aid is a great idea.

Gameplay: 4/5
Gameplay is fun, i like that there is not much micromanagement of resources involved, and i enjoyed the massive amount of teching available. Each race is different, and i particularly like their different play styles. Once aid is implemented that will add another dimension to battles. I think there should be room for more players, as 8 doesnt seem to be enough for a good game. I think the game could benefit from adding reasons to control territory beyond your base. Perhaps add some kind of base in the center that can be captured to provide benefits or additional units.


Level Design: 4/5
The terrain fit the scene. It felt like a wartorn world during a harsh nuclear winter. Plateus made excellant spots for bases. There were no rigged bases, all the ones i saw had at least two entryways to defend. The weather system was wonderful, and everyone i played with commented on how much they liked it.


Sound/Custom Models: 5/5
There were alot of custom models here and they fit the game well. in fact more often than not the first comment i heard while playing was "sweet models" or some equivlant (such as 1137 IvI0D31s!!). I typically reccomend not using star wars models for a non-star wars game however.
For some odd reason the three machine units that are implemented have dwarven sound sets.
Additionally many rifles the humans use dont seem to make any noise.

Replayability: 4/5
Good replayability, which can largely be attributed to how different the three races are. However its still a melee map and while there are alot of new features, even those will eventually lose their appeal.


Balance & Bugs: 3/5
Balance seemed decent. Late game humans kinda seem to pwn everything, but beyond that id have to play the game more (only done about 5 run throughs or so) to really tell. I suggest disabling the computer ai that was causing the fatal errors until it is fixed. Additionally, please remove machines from the list of chooseable races until it is fully implemented.
First couple games i played, before i had known the machines werent finished, there was quite a few people who were rather dissapointed when they realized they get three units and no upgrades or towers.
Allying commands work, however, upon typing -unally color , the correct message is displayed (X player has declared war on Y player) but the players remain allied.
Theres a bug that occurs seemingly at random where NR assult droids will not fire at the enemy even when ordered to attack.
This isnt so much a bug, but it left me rather confused. Why does LOL LOL periodically flash on the screen?
Beyond that the only thing else ive noticed so far is a few tool tip mispellings and the like. Only one i can seem to remember right now is the helicopters. The tool-tip for decend says "....Helicopters cannont while decended" or something like that. I believe its suppossed to be "Move" or maybe "Attack".
There doesnt appear to be a way to fix the camera zoom either once it is messed up, and if there is it is not information that is readily available.


Final Score: 4/5
STILL a melee, but definatly not JUST a melee. Definatly worth a download and at least a few playthroughs. I cant wait for the unimplemented features to be finished, and some of the balance/bug issues to be rectified. I expect I'll be playing future versions of this map quite a bit.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

@ Dtelm:

Thanks for the well-written comment! I'll consider a lot of things... but I'll also give a few responses before I release version 1.21.

1: Helicopters - Change altitude tooltip was indeed typo'd and I forgot to write in "attack." This has been fixed.

2: The game displayed "lol lol" when a machine-race player disconnected power. This was a debug message that managed to slip through. This has also been fixed.

3: Alliance bug has been fixed.

4: Oh. The zooming problem. I forgot to put a place to look at all chat commands... there are a number of commands usable to change the camera view. They are the following:
-zoomreset
-zoomout
-zoomin
I will be adding in a quest for chat commands when I can.

5: AI has been disabled for the moment.

6: I will release this next version w/o disabling machines, as I expect to have a reasonable more amount of the machines done in the next sister-patch.

7: Map size and player limit. I will consider renovating the map and releasing another one with different terrain and a larger player limit.

Thanks again and check back soon!

 

[onyxja]

Don't lay to mutch work on another terrain with that time you can make your AOS better.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Don't lay to mutch work on another terrain with that time you can make your AOS better.

Yea, I'd much rather work on my AOS then making new terrain. However, if any master terrainer would step up... I'm sure we can work something out.

 

[Tha Flamestorm]

Did you finally finish the Machines?

 

[Dtelm]

Im about to try out the new version, ill post my thoughts after a few games.

 

[onyxja]

Hey can you fix bots later so i can play if im not home.

 

[Angry_Bovine]

Did you finally finish the Machines?

Sadly, no. They are a bit further progressed, now, however. Their 1st/2nd tier researches are all complete. I'll be finishing their race (hopefully, and at the bare minimum) by next week.

 

[onyxja]

But will you fix AI?

 

[Angry_Bovine]

But will you fix AI?

Definitely. I just can't put out a definite time for when that'll be finished. See, the problem with the AI now is that when I add it back in it'll be completely rewritten. But I want this new AI to actually be semi-competitive (or at least changing in difficulty with its setting) instead of the stupid AI it was. Because of this, it'll take some time.