Slashcraft 2.1.9

[Marsal]

What's hindering you?

• The fact it already exists in war3 :S
• Time
• Other maps

I might try to make one because nowadays I don't have many things to do so...
I just played the map for about 20-30 minutes. It was awessoooooommme. However I've noticed some problems and I have advices/suggestions too.

Somethimes the cooldowns are just too big :S For example, jump. The assassin's skills (and others sometimes) can interrupt the movement easily making you unable to move until you release and press and button again.
Some of the chars aren't that hard showed at the selection and others are harder. For example the hero with the tidehunter skin is pretty easy. You should extend that difficulty line to 10 bars to make it easier to choose difficulty level.

Raging Brand is quite useless since the S2 damages himself. Unique don't deals damage at all...
The tree's S2 does no damage. Same as the Clockwerk goblin's rockets with unique.

Suggestions:
Why don't you make the heroes able to cast and attack in mid-air? It would make the game more awesome and gives you space to make new skills and combos.
Create different stages The current one looks pretty good but after a time it's a bit boring.
Moar heroes. I have a lot of ideas for heroes and skills since I wanted to make a map with this type ~.~ If you want, I can share them and also give skill ideas for the already existing characters.
The assassin's unique should strike faster but deal much less damage. Now it can kill the enemy in 5 secs.

 

[hunalexnl]

• The fact it already exists in war3 :S
• Time
• Other maps

I might try to make one because nowadays I don't have many things to do so...
I just played the map for about 20-30 minutes. It was awessoooooommme. However I've noticed some problems and I have advices/suggestions too.

Somethimes the cooldowns are just too big :S For example, jump. The assassin's skills (and others sometimes) can interrupt the movement easily making you unable to move until you release and press and button again.
Some of the chars aren't that hard showed at the selection and others are harder. For example the hero with the tidehunter skin is pretty easy. You should extend that difficulty line to 10 bars to make it easier to choose difficulty level.

Suggestions:
Why don't you make the heroes able to cast and attack in mid-air? It would make the game more awesome and gives you space to make new skills and combos.
Create different stages The current one looks pretty good but after a time it's a bit boring.
Moar heroes. I have a lot of ideas for heroes and skills since I wanted to make a map with this type ~.~ If you want, I can share them and also give skill ideas for the already existing characters.
The assassin's unique should strike faster but deal much less damage. Now it can kill the enemy in 5 secs.

The new arena will be released with the next version.

I've actually started replacing boring champions (the one you were talking about has been removed as well), so your ideas are more than welcome. I'm not planning to add more champions for the time being, I'm working on the already existing ones (or replace them if I really have to).
The Forsaken Assassin's unique will be changed I think.

A mid-air attack has been requested by others as well, my only problem with that kind of attack is the fact that it doesn't work well with the animation. Basically I'd have them running (well, that's what they do) in the air and something happens. Will try to figure out something.

Thanks for the feedback!

 

[Marsal]

You could make another combo. Now these 3(4) attacks are kinda slight. For example make a Q+E and a Q+Q combo for double damage and/or debuff. Second one is for a better attack just like in M.U.G.E.N. games and other 2D fighting games.

Hero	Q+E
Shepherd of Fall	Calls out a swarm of spirits from the lamp to steal hp from the enemy.
Morse Exploler	Rolls toward the enemy in a Snowball. (Just like in DotA ~.~)
Raging Brand	Temporary protects the hero from the damage of his skills.
Spirit Adept	Creates a shield of wandering ghosts that defends 5 attacks. (Possession models circulating? )
Engulfing Matter	Shoots a beam towards the enemy.
Stormy Invader	The hero becomes enveloped with energy, losing his physical form, to temporary increase it's special attack damage but disabling normal attack.
Forsaken Assassin	Becomes invisible for a few seconds.
High Tide Ripper	Sends a water wall towards the enemy knocking it back
Magmatic Ursidae	Fire breath.
Maverick Automaton	Shoots a hook to grab the hero and the enemy closer to each other.

If you plan to add new heroes I write some other ideas ~.~

 

[hunalexnl]

You could make another combo. Now these 3(4) attacks are kinda slight. For example make a Q+E and a Q+Q combo for double damage and/or debuff. Second one is for a better attack just like in M.U.G.E.N. games and other 2D fighting games.

Hero	Q+E
Shepherd of Fall	Calls out a swarm of spirits from the lamp to steal hp from the enemy.
Morse Exploler	Rolls toward the enemy in a Snowball. (Just like in DotA ~.~)
Raging Brand	Temporary protects the hero from the damage of his skills.
Spirit Adept	Creates a shield of wandering ghosts that defends 5 attacks. (Possession models circulating? )
Engulfing Matter	Shoots a beam towards the enemy.
Stormy Invader	The hero becomes enveloped with energy, losing his physical form, to temporary increase it's special attack damage but disabling normal attack.
Forsaken Assassin	Becomes invisible for a few seconds.
High Tide Ripper	Sends a water wall towards the enemy knocking it back
Magmatic Ursidae	Fire breath.
Maverick Automaton	Shoots a hook to grab the hero and the enemy closer to each other.

If you plan to add new heroes I write some other ideas ~.~

Nice stuff there, thanks for your input. The problem is that I'm currently working on replacing some champions, so some of them won't be needed. Actually you gave me a good idea with the list, giving that you want Q+E combos. I think I'll have to reduce the cooldown of the E abilities and simply make them weaker.
For now I'm going to look for UP+Q (so mid-air) attacks I think, as that's the thing that's required the most (there were people requesting it, and I feel that it's really needed as well).
I don't think that I'll make E a part of any combo, however I do plan to come up with a new system for the Q+W ones. The blue W appearing after an attack makes everything look really nice, but it slows down the gameplay as it is rather difficult to launch the skill in time, because the game doesn't want to accept that the skill button is already there, and even if you press W in time, nothing happens, and by the time you'd press it a second time it simply disappears. I was thinking about having the same skill for S1 and S2 (and maybe a later S3, your suggested abilities would come in there), but that would make them share the same cooldown. I don't really think that lowering the cooldown any further would be a good idea as it could mess things up, and I don't want people to spam the same ability throughout the whole game.
Maybe I'll create some sort of countdown that lets players know when the ability is up. But if I did that, players would have to keep checking it, not being able to pay full attention to the fight. I'm really confused.

 

[Marsal]

When I've told the cooldown thingie I just thought of the jump because now you can't jump too often.
You did the system with normal skills? If so then try to make it with shops(that's waht I've planned).
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/general-mapping-tutorials-278/shop-within-shop-193048/
I've planned to use this system with powerups so that may speed up the gameplay a bit because the shop is instant.
In M.U.G.E.N. there is no cooldown for any of the skills but there is a power bar (in fact, mana) that slowly chares up during the fight enabling stronger moves. Maybe you should make something like that.

 

[Bugz]

you two should work together p.p, then you dont need to spam my ucp

 

[Marsal]

maeybe ~.~

 

[Bugz]

It could be good :3, no reason for two 2d fighting games p.o

 

[Marsal]

Why not? Then why was there a reason to make more RTS or FPS or RPG games?

 

[Bugz]

I rather see one Very good one, then two decent ones

 

[Marsal]

Why? Isn't it possible to see two fckin epic ones?

 

[Bugz]

indeed, but if there is two the rank will automaticly go down

 

[Marsal]

If that so then most of the game making companies already gone bankrupt. 2 2D fighting games by 2 creators with different brains, ideas and fantasies and after all with different WE skills.

 

[Bugz]

Feel free to do what you want, just my opinion

 

[InfernalTater]

Sorry man but, Bugz, your view couldn't be more wrong. If having more than one of something made both worse, then why do we have so many good games? There are tons of RTS games, fighting games and RPGs. It's better to have two games than one game, because the two different games will have two entirely different feels. However, having a hundred games that are copies of each other with varying quality would be a bad thing. (such as mauls or loaps)

 

[Marsal]

Sorry man but, Bugz, your view couldn't be more wrong. If having more than one of something made both worse, then why do we have so many good games? There are tons of RTS games, fighting games and RPGs. It's better to have two games than one game, because the two different games will have two entirely different feels. However, having a hundred games that are copies of each other with varying quality would be a bad thing. (such as mauls or loaps)

In fact, that's what I said ~.~

 

[Bugz]

Yeh yeh =) i realized that..

 

[elfian]

Add non-Warcraft III music and this map will be in my Favourites list.

 

[Marsal]

I can give you a list of kick-ass battle songs

 

[hunalexnl]

I'd appreciate it. Background music has already been suggested, so I guess it's time to add it to the map.

 

[JenDarK]

Can't start cuz players are in same team

 

[Marsal]

Since there is an enemy team with a Computer it's impossible. (Until you opened it with a hostbot or smthin).

Tomorrow I'll send the list, now I don't have much time ~.~

 

[hunalexnl]

I was stupid enough to remove the spectators together with the computer. Anyway, instead of removing it in this version, I simply decreased the number to one. It's fixed, thanks for pointing it out.

EDIT: About music - I think I'll ask a friend of mine to help me out with that. I want to create something myself, but the list would come handy anyhow. For inspiration. No idea what these kinda songs are like.

 

[Darkfang]

Add more champions, more chars!!!

And when a char deals damage to another there should be a blood particle or something in the damaged char! like that it would be better

 

[hunalexnl]

Add more champions, more chars!!!

And when a char deals damage to another there should be a blood particle or something in the damaged char! like that it would be better

I'm not really planning to add more champions, first thing to do is make the existing ones perfect. I don't really understand why you guys want more champions. I mean, I'm pretty sure that there are hardly any people who have played all 10 champions.

The blood is a good idea that I have already attempted adding to the map in one of the earlier versions. The problem with that is that I'd have to create the special effect at the point where the champions are staying, and they'd run out of the effect all the time, ruining the whole stuff. I can't create the special effects as attachments, because champions are removed all the time.
I might figure out a way somehow, I'll look into it.

EDIT: Found a way to create blood effects that work well.

 

[Darkfang]

I'm not really planning to add more champions, first thing to do is make the existing ones perfect. I don't really understand why you guys want more champions. I mean, I'm pretty sure that there are hardly any people who have played all 10 champions.

The blood is a good idea that I have already attempted adding to the map in one of the earlier versions. The problem with that is that I'd have to create the special effect at the point where the champions are staying, and they'd run out of the effect all the time, ruining the whole stuff. I can't create the special effects as attachments, because champions are removed all the time.
I might figure out a way somehow, I'll look into it.

EDIT: Found a way to create blood effects that work well.

Cause with more champions there is more selection, and with more selection more variety, and with that u can make more players play. Sometimes u want find something new. Im pretty sure u can add more chars while u balance the ones that u already have

 

[hunalexnl]

Ballancing... Well yea, I'm not even getting any feedback regarding these 10 champions either (we're talking about damage and function, not new abilities), so how could I add more while keeping it ballanced? ><

EDIT: Decided not to add blood effects (after creating the whole system...) because we'd only have blood caused by normal attacks. If the whole game was about punching the enemy, blood would've been required. But not in this case.

 

[playcanon]

i saw comments
you've been working hardly on your map
i appreciate your work although i didn't play the map yet but i guess i will find it fun

 

[hunalexnl]

I really hope so. ;o

 

[Marsal]

Here you are the list. Not all I have but all I can get now :S Contains great song in various styles.

DJ SHINYA - HarmoNIZE -- Battle theme from Soul Eater
Valve - Vortal Combat -- Battle theme from Half Life 2 - Episode 2
Two Steps From Hell - Iron Soul --
Hans Zimmer - Dream is Collapsing -- Inception theme song
Two Steps From Hell - Ice Planet --
Two Steps from Hell - Moving Mountains --
John Murphy - In the House In a Heartbeat -- 28 Days Later theme song
Two Steps From Hell - Intoxication --
Celldweller - Ursa Minor (Electron mix) --
MoozE - Bullet-Proof & Panic-Stricken --
'Evolution' - Parkour Instrumental HQ Prod. by 'Krysiz' --
Epic Score - Stand Tall --
Apocalyptica - Path --
In Flames - Cloud Connected --
Ils - Feed The Addiction -- Need For Speed - Most Wanted song
Celldweller - Frozen --

Ballancing... Well yea, I'm not even getting any feedback regarding these 10 champions either (we're talking about damage and function, not new abilities), so how could I add more while keeping it ballanced? ><

EDIT: Decided not to add blood effects (after creating the whole system...) because we'd only have blood caused by normal attacks. If the whole game was about punching the enemy, blood would've been required. But not in this case.

Why don't you make a system based on Unit - Takes damage? When you reduce the health bar you can damage an invisible unit as well and if that unit takes damage then it creates a blood effect on the hero. All you need is 2 "dummy" unit (locust is not necesseary I guess) and around 2 easy extra trigger.

 

[hunalexnl]

That wasn't the problem actually. I've been able to trigger the blood. Earlier the problem was that the effect either didn't follow the champion or it disappeared randomly because of the movement. That's how I made the system, can't do much about it.
Yesterday I managed to do it by creating units for each blood effect. These units followed the champions (got teleported to them every 0.01 seconds), they even jumped when the champion did, so it was perfectly done, really.
The thing is, I had to remove them because they weren't needed at all. If this was a punching/kicking beat 'em up, I would have had to add it, but in Slashcraft, most abilities are skillshots that don't make anything bleed. Like, imagine the Spirit Adepts S1 or S2 causing someone to blee. It just doesn't work.

Thanks a lot for the list, I'll check it out later today!

 

[InfernalTater]

As for people asking for more champions: 10 is plenty. I'm sick of people always wanting to have 50 choices. When you have more than 12 choices, some of them are going to start to be repeats with similar roles, such as those RPGs people sometimes see that have an assassin, a rogue, a thief, a stalker, a phantom and all sorts of heroes that do almost the same damn thing.
10 is plenty, and if you ever decide to add more, don't add more than 2, making it a total of 12. It's better to have classes that have distinction from one to the next. I notice many games change only the name and model while leaving some classes still very similar in function.

 

[Marsal]

That wasn't the problem actually. I've been able to trigger the blood. Earlier the problem was that the effect either didn't follow the champion or it disappeared randomly because of the movement. That's how I made the system, can't do much about it.
Yesterday I managed to do it by creating units for each blood effect. These units followed the champions (got teleported to them every 0.01 seconds), they even jumped when the champion did, so it was perfectly done, really.
The thing is, I had to remove them because they weren't needed at all. If this was a punching/kicking beat 'em up, I would have had to add it, but in Slashcraft, most abilities are skillshots that don't make anything bleed. Like, imagine the Spirit Adepts S1 or S2 causing someone to blee. It just doesn't work.

Thanks a lot for the list, I'll check it out later today!

As I know you can attach effects to the dummies so why don't you just attach it to the heroes?

 

[hunalexnl]

As I know you can attach effects to the dummies so why don't you just attach it to the heroes?

Of course you can. Have you noticed that champions don't actually turn around? You press a key and you instantly face that point. That's done by deleting the previous champion and creating a new one instantly. Whenever that happens, the effect disappears. That's simply the way I wanted to stop them.

 

[Marsal]

But why do you delete? It could be much more easier if you just add the locust ability to a hero and play it's animations. You can even play with the turn rate or what.

 

[Bugz]

+ Enjoyable 2d background, simple and good looking

+ Cool and unique combat system, could get more features.

+ Cool abilities

+ Completely lagfree, which offers a great combat match.

- Got a bunch of heroes, but the quality isnt great

- Need more arenas

- Game is to fast

4/5

 

[hunalexnl]

But why do you delete? It could be much more easier if you just add the locust ability to a hero and play it's animations. You can even play with the turn rate or what.

It has the locust ability. Like I said, it's the way I wanted to do it, and it's working perfectly. No need to change that.

 

[Marsal]

Oh, also change the 0.01 timers to 0.03. It's much more efficient ~.~

 

[hunalexnl]

Oh, also change the 0.01 timers to 0.03. It's much more efficient ~.~

How so? Less laggy? Not that it was laggy now, but okay, I'll check it out.

 

[Bugz]

I guess you dint notice xd, but i made a review just right here..

 

[hunalexnl]

I knew there was something wrong when I got so many emails saying there's a new reply to the thread! Wasn't clever enough to check the previous page lol. Thanks for your review, I appreciate it. The arena question is something that's killing me. I really need to come up with something new.

 

[Bugz]

No problem i enjoyed playing , Hell themed?

 

[hunalexnl]

No problem i enjoyed playing , Hell themed?

Been thinking about it, but now I want something more pleasant. I think I'm going to try some sort of beach or something. It'd go pretty well with the background music I added.

 

[Bugz]

Cool, you added music? so when is the update =p

 

[Marsal]

It has the locust ability. Like I said, it's the way I wanted to do it, and it's working perfectly. No need to change that.

I just don't understand why do you remove then add a new unit ~.~

 

[Bugz]

I just don't understand why do you remove then add a new unit ~.~

that is called replace

 

[hunalexnl]

I just don't understand why do you remove then add a new unit ~.~

Simple. When I created the system I forgot that I could make them face an angle instantly. x'D
Works anyway.

 

[Marsal]

Heh.

 

[Bugz]

2.1.6
added background music
changed the order of champions
changed Forsaken Assassin's unique
movement speed is increased while jumping
fixed the bug in Spirit Adept's unique's slow
fixed a minor bug in Morse Explorer's S2's slow
changed the 'Spectators' force name to 'Spectator'
champions can no longer be teleported out of the arena
Sanctified Panda's unique no longer gets the AI bugged
fixed the bug where Tempest mode didn't restart each round

 

[hunalexnl]

2.1.6
added background music
changed the order of champions
changed Forsaken Assassin's unique
movement speed is increased while jumping
fixed the bug in Spirit Adept's unique's slow
fixed a minor bug in Morse Explorer's S2's slow
changed the 'Spectators' force name to 'Spectator'
champions can no longer be teleported out of the arena
Sanctified Panda's unique no longer gets the AI bugged
fixed the bug where Tempest mode didn't restart each round

Is something wrong with any of those?
I'll try to create some unique music for the next version, just need to talk with a friend of mine. But I'll definitely go for a sound that's similar to this one.