Legion TD Mega 3.5 (B4) + 3.41 unprotect

[m05he_d4j4n]

vk

for -vk
- is it beta1 or beta 2 ?
- do it give any message after type -vk ?
- do vote menu ever popup ?


Game is either too easy or too hard after remove income cap.

Before I removed, player with high income will received 0 bonus gold. now they can can have those bonus gold that worth 2k. (and this is what Pro ask for)

i downloaded the newest version, so beta 2 i think. no message no menu.

 

[MastaKilla]

Bug: Highborne -> Storm Geyser is partly fail. On some rounds (especially ranged like siren, round 12) the storm geyser is cast right when they first see the enemy units and cast it right where they stand, then run ahead to the enemy units and fight it, but the cloud stays where it is. and the cloud seems to have no good range? just had it again on round 16, even while they faught the enemies they cast the storm cloud, but it would stay where it is, although the highbornes themselves didnt move to continue attacking!

 

[HuanAk]

Bug: Highborne -> Storm Geyser is partly fail. On some rounds (especially ranged like siren, round 12) the storm geyser is cast right when they first see the enemy units and cast it right where they stand, then run ahead to the enemy units and fight it, but the cloud stays where it is. and the cloud seems to have no good range? just had it again on round 16, even while they faught the enemies they cast the storm cloud, but it would stay where it is, although the highbornes themselves didnt move to continue attacking!

good report.

I will check on this one, maybe the range on "Storm Geyser" is too short so it can't see enemy.

also Storm Geyser won't count as "unit" in arena (because I saw a fight that all unit is dead except "Storm Geyser", and the loser team still have unit count say "3" )

 

[HuanAk]

i downloaded the newest version, so beta 2 i think. no message no menu.

can you saved replay and upload here please ? so I can find out what happening.


also, anyone else have same problem with -vk on beta 2 ? I need to confirm this before release 3.41.

 

[m05he_d4j4n]

@huan

i checked again and vk works in beta2, sry.

i have some other questions:
why dont you import some great models from hive for this map? deathwing instead of frostwyrm model deathdragon for example, you could replace almost every model with a new more interesting one.
will pirate race become part of the game or do u play to create another new race?
what about panda then, everyone loves panda

 

[MastaKilla]

what about panda then, everyone loves panda

haha you made my day

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@huan: could make a screenshot of the highborne bug, just for the sake of completeness

see attachment

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the flag rule seems ok.

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hm 7/15 for 4 ppl .. well, didnt happen that often on 3.3, but as some of the later rounds (e.g. 19, 21, 22) seem to be (way) easier in 3.4, it is also easier to still push upgrades in like round 22,23,24... without epic failing here, despite the fact that pushing lumber upgrades its useless at that point

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laggs or lets say delays still occur absolutely randomly on 3.4... sometimes like almost no delay at all, sometimes right from the beginning (and I strongly doubt its a bot/server issue)

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about the 3 column thing for w3mmd data on flags... well, i didnt touch this part of the code (neither took a look at it). just implemented the default sql script to create the database with predefined fields like flag, leaver and praciticing. and as it seems to be a default setup on bot code (ghost++, ghostone, brtghost), you might wanna work around that?! just if this will be a problem at all!

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played ~10 games of beta2, not a single desync. all hosted with hostbot, everytime it was hcl = 0, i am using default english wc3 game version.

so far..

 

[HuanAk]

@huan

i checked again and vk works in beta2, sry.

i have some other questions:
why dont you import some great models from hive for this map? deathwing instead of frostwyrm model deathdragon for example, you could replace almost every model with a new more interesting one.
will pirate race become part of the game or do u play to create another new race?
what about panda then, everyone loves panda

I don't like import model, each add 50kb-150kb. so one race with 12 unit will add 1Mb to the map.

and I have 15-20 races.

I think 3.4 beta1 was 490kb or 500kb now it become 1mb after just loading screen + mini map + king model.

 

[HuanAk]

haha you made my day

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@huan: could make a screenshot of the highborne bug, just for the sake of completeness

see attachment

should be easy fix, I will change their sight radiu see if it fixed

hm 7/15 for 4 ppl .. well, didnt happen that often on 3.3, but as some of the later rounds (e.g. 19, 21, 22) seem to be (way) easier in 3.4, it is also easier to still push upgrades in like round 22,23,24... without epic failing here, despite the fact that pushing lumber upgrades its useless at that point

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yes, I did lots of levle adjusted for lvl20+, will test them in next few days

lvl19 & 25 is hard to adjust, a small changed can result too hard or too easy.

laggs or lets say delays still occur absolutely randomly on 3.4... sometimes like almost no delay at all, sometimes right from the beginning (and I strongly doubt its a bot/server issue)

do you mean 3.4 is more laggy than 3.3 ?

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the flag rule seems ok.

about the 3 column thing for w3mmd data on flags... well, i didnt touch this part of the code (neither took a look at it). just implemented the default sql script to create the database with predefined fields like flag, leaver and praciticing. and as it seems to be a default setup on bot code (ghost++, ghostone, brtghost), you might wanna work around that?! just if this will be a problem at all!

maybe ask Soucer to work out how to use flag system ?

I mean I can do anything on my side, like :
- (Winner & loser is easy to understand)
- should I flag all leaver as "loser" ?
- what is the point of flag "practicing" (should I ever flag them?)
- or don't do anything, and keep "practicing" for furture's "pro" title


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played ~10 games of beta2, not a single desync. all hosted with hostbot, everytime it was hcl = 0, i am using default english wc3 game version.

so far..

look like it is desync safe.

should I enable W3MMD with any hcl command or only "hcl = 0" ?

 

[Gazelle]

Hi, was busy these days just tried beta 2.

vk worked fine on the game I played, no dc either.

The highborne bug with the cloud is an old one, and not rly a bug, just too small sight on cloud. I was just building the unit closer to my first lane instead of in the back to prevent it from happenning. Glad if you're fixing it though .

LVL 28 is not "too hard" just very hard, only leaked it once since it was changed. I usualy play the whole game getting rdy for that lvl, ex with orc I keep tier 6 on warchief, never upgrade them to thrall cause of their armor type. And spend gold on other units on the back instead, this worked great but one game I got rly bad luck with prophet lol. (leaked 28 with like 14-15k value dont remember exactly and yet was the only one killing lvl 29 and very easily, so yeah this is all about att/def type).

From personnal experience the new spawn creeps did redude the lag, and did made the game easier on early lvls (that and the way a few creep types are more spaced). I also agree it make splash less effective, but make some other units much more effective, ex: I dont build dragons with beast, only bears and they are rly strong. I'm actualy not building anymore dragons with splash on this version maybe 1 azure dragon for the frost aura that's all. Everytime I tried it totaly failed compare to my other tactics.

Also I would like to say I find undead a totaly weak race now (as I said splash is less effective, therefor undead is less effective), I dont know why but pudge is not a good tank for the cost in my opinion, always die rly fast and dps too low (so there are no good tanks) also undead dragon without slow breath and with the "new creeps" is rly weak (totaly useless for 28 by example) and... the necro which is supose to be the main dps I believe, with the more "spaced" creeps are way weaker. Since creeps are bigger they go around your defense and kill necros too fast.
Some opinions might differ this is just what I think from the few times I played it. I'm even at the point where I build the skeleton with lifesteal since there's nothing else good there lolll.
In short, I since dragons were useless I tried a defense with necro instead, thinking it was the "new way" but it didnt work at all if you income at the same time.
And I'm sure people who dont know how to income wont agree with me on dragons and on undead... I dont rly care I always play with the lowest value as possible on early game if you cant play that way I dont expect you to understand lol.
I could also talk about many units that have become totaly useless with time ex: violet, but this will just be too long.

Well that's it, hope I helped a bit, sorry for the big reply!

Gaz

 

[iamthekira]

@ huan : no, i play the english version of the game. desync also happened on beta 1, but never on beta 2
I'd just like to say im REALLY happy with both 3.4 and 3.41(beta 2), its gotten so much easier to play for income thanks to the pathing mainly, i could never go back to 3.3.
Only thing i dont like and never use are dragons. As people said above, the splash is almost useless now. Only lvl where it's decent is 13, but let's be serious, how many upgraded dragons can you have at that lvl? I only get stuck with them when i play hybrid, otherwise i avoid any race that has dragons and maximize income with no leaks = happy me.
Lvl 24 is basically the new lvl 19. Throw a demon and a behemoth for each player (unless they have thralls or tanks or massive medium armored units), it's gg.
I don't think 28 is too hard, I had 1k overvalue and just one tank (while playing hybrid) and had no trouble holding it with a kraken. All good.
Looking forward to 3.41 and that pro/master title. Great job!

 

[HuanAk]

don't be surprise if you see some of level become harder (for final release):

- lvl17, 23, 26 is hard (as well as 24)
- lvl18/19/21/22/25 semi hard
- lvl27/lvl28/29 seen easy. 27 is easy enough, 28/29 should be easy because people should have higher than recommend value by this time

17 -> seige/forfitied ==> dead level for fortified unit
23 -> Normal/Heavy ==> hard for everyone
24 -> magic/medium ==> another hard level....

I am testing them with difference build. most level can still kill with 500 lower value, but if you have wrong armor then you will leak around 10 creep (with recommend value)

 

[MastaKilla]

do you mean 3.4 is more laggy than 3.3 ?

nope, not worse than 3.3, but pretty much the same. sometimes lag, sometimes not

maybe ask Soucer to work out how to use flag system ?

I mean I can do anything on my side, like :
- (Winner & loser is easy to understand)
- should I flag all leaver as "loser" ?
- what is the point of flag "practicing" (should I ever flag them?)
- or don't do anything, and keep "practicing" for furture's "pro" title

hm ok, not quite sure if there is any problem. i thought you had a problem that it is 3 columns.. but it seems that aint a problem at all. you rule was ok

		King die, do final W3MMD update: 
		-- if player still in game then
		----- if this player in winning team, flag it as winner
		----- else, flag as loser
		-- else flag as leaver

And no, dont flag leaver = loser. on the bottom line, leaver = leaver, nothing else.
but ppl leave a lot before king is finally dead. so maybe you can do something like that:

		King die, do final W3MMD update: 
		-- if player still in game or player left max. 2 minutes ago then
		----- if this player in winning team, flag it as winner
		----- else, flag as loser
		-- else flag as leaver

about the practicing, i have no clue as well what it is for but yeah, you might "abuse" it for pro status or just ignore it. too much data shouldn't ever be problem

look like it is desync safe.

should I enable W3MMD with any hcl command or only "hcl = 0" ?

i'd go for "IF hcl IS NOT empty THEN enable w3mmd"
hcl is only used with bots, and bots have a database to store information. guess it's the easiest way.

 

[phr33st00fpl0x]

Hi, was busy these days just tried beta 2.

vk worked fine on the game I played, no dc either.

The highborne bug with the cloud is an old one, and not rly a bug, just too small sight on cloud. I was just building the unit closer to my first lane instead of in the back to prevent it from happenning. Glad if you're fixing it though .

LVL 28 is not "too hard" just very hard, only leaked it once since it was changed. I usualy play the whole game getting rdy for that lvl, ex with orc I keep tier 6 on warchief, never upgrade them to thrall cause of their armor type. And spend gold on other units on the back instead, this worked great but one game I got rly bad luck with prophet lol. (leaked 28 with like 14-15k value dont remember exactly and yet was the only one killing lvl 29 and very easily, so yeah this is all about att/def type).

From personnal experience the new spawn creeps did redude the lag, and did made the game easier on early lvls (that and the way a few creep types are more spaced). I also agree it make splash less effective, but make some other units much more effective, ex: I dont build dragons with beast, only bears and they are rly strong. I'm actualy not building anymore dragons with splash on this version maybe 1 azure dragon for the frost aura that's all. Everytime I tried it totaly failed compare to my other tactics.

Also I would like to say I find undead a totaly weak race now (as I said splash is less effective, therefor undead is less effective), I dont know why but pudge is not a good tank for the cost in my opinion, always die rly fast and dps too low (so there are no good tanks) also undead dragon without slow breath and with the "new creeps" is rly weak (totaly useless for 28 by example) and... the necro which is supose to be the main dps I believe, with the more "spaced" creeps are way weaker. Since creeps are bigger they go around your defense and kill necros too fast.
Some opinions might differ this is just what I think from the few times I played it. I'm even at the point where I build the skeleton with lifesteal since there's nothing else good there lolll.
In short, I since dragons were useless I tried a defense with necro instead, thinking it was the "new way" but it didnt work at all if you income at the same time.
And I'm sure people who dont know how to income wont agree with me on dragons and on undead... I dont rly care I always play with the lowest value as possible on early game if you cant play that way I dont expect you to understand lol.
I could also talk about many units that have become totaly useless with time ex: violet, but this will just be too long.

Well that's it, hope I helped a bit, sorry for the big reply!

Gaz

I couldn't agree with you more on undead. Real mans income like a baos and now undead plain sucks on doing that.

Thrall used to be one of the few units (along with things like Doomsday, Mutant) that could withstand Juggernauts, but now that attack type is changed from pierce to siege... they're complete jokes lol...

Also hi to huan, jx3.net seems pretty dead so i came here

 

[HuanAk]

I couldn't agree with you more on undead. Real mans income like a baos and now undead plain sucks on doing that.

Thrall used to be one of the few units (along with things like Doomsday, Mutant) that could withstand Juggernauts, but now that attack type is changed from pierce to siege... they're complete jokes lol...

Also hi to huan, jx3.net seems pretty dead so i came here

Hi Hi, yes nobody post on jx3.net.

It is good that Mech/Thrall have some hard level (22 & 28).

for undead, I saw some player reach 5/1 at level 4 with undead.

he built 1x Zombie, 3 (or 5) Tier 1 unit at level 4

then add up to 3 zombie plus around 7 tier 1 unit at lvl7/8/9 (can't remember)

his income is pretty high at lvl10. but average after that (because dragon doesn't work well)

 

[m05he_d4j4n]

i totaly dont agree, undead is very strong if played well.
pudge very good dmg output, necros good for 10 and deathdragon allows to income very hard from 12-19, so one of the best units for midgame, but i agree that without rerolling 28 is pretty hard.

 

[Gazelle]

for undead, I saw some player reach 5/1 at level 4 with undead.

If you build weakers units with undead you can indeed income alot until 10 (best way I found was the tier 2). But those units become a waste of space later, this is the problem about x3, you cant build too many cheap towers or you wont have space later with those huge value.
If undead had 3 upgrades on tier 1 it would make it much more interresting, for now, I never build those cause as I said, waste of space :S

***Another change you could bring to your version is an increase of the sight of every units, that way you can have a bigger defense without having half your units standing on the back doing nothing, making tier 1-3 more interresting to build.

This could lead to another problem with leaks on middle, but then you'll just have to build closer to entrance.

 

[HuanAk]

If you build weakers units with undead you can indeed income alot until 10 (best way I found was the tier 2). But those units become a waste of space later, this is the problem about x3, you cant build too many cheap towers or you wont have space later with those huge value.
If undead had 3 upgrades on tier 1 it would make it much more interresting, for now, I never build those cause as I said, waste of space :S

***Another change you could bring to your version is an increase of the sight of every units, that way you can have a bigger defense without having half your units standing on the back doing nothing, making tier 1-3 more interresting to build.

This could lead to another problem with leaks on middle, but then you'll just have to build closer to entrance.

Try out in single player. I think unit have much better assist range since version 3.4. (up to 5-6 row behind ?)

also after all creep die, it doesn't matter where you built your tower, it will move to teleport pad (move only start after all creep on your lane is dead)

 

[Gazelle]

Try out in single player. I think unit have much better assist range since version 3.4. (up to 5-6 row behind ?)

also after all creep die, it doesn't matter where you built your tower, it will move to teleport pad (move only start after all creep on your lane is dead)

They do have a better assist than before, but on big games with lags, still have some units stuck in corner even 4 row behind sometimes and full lane from 5 row behind. Not always happening ofc and as you said, on single player there's no problem at all.

And yes unit will move after all creeps died. But what I mean is that if you build far from entrance but no quite mid, lets say I'm red and blue leaks while my unit have a few more creeps to kill, then my ranged unit might see blue's leak and attack them. So I'm just saying that if you increase sight a bit more, this particular situation will happen more often, so building back will be risker.

Btw I played more games on beta 2 and I wanted to say thx for puting back the bonus gold lvl even with high income .
I often have to handle lvl 28-29 alone on my team, and it was impossible with the previous system now with over 16k value I can most of the time save my team lol. And yes it is possible to kill lvl 28 without tanks there are many other ways to kill this lvl, so stop complaining its too hard .
Since 19 is easier lvl 20 finally looks like a real "boss lvl" its pretty nice.
Also 24 is pretty damn good now, people trying to up lumberjack after second arena often fail that lvl. I've had much more games ending at 24 on this version.
One last thing, I think priest is ok now, but I was wondering, you said you put back the cooldown on spells, I noticed with bigfoot + mana reg aura that bigfoot wont stomp even at full mana until cooldown is over. Maybe reduce cooldown on spells then? Or that "key" aura become useless. And does phantoms have that kind of cooldown too or does the aura can increase their attack speed?

 

[HuanAk]

They do have a better assist than before, but on big games with lags, still have some units stuck in corner even 4 row behind sometimes and full lane from 5 row behind. Not always happening ofc and as you said, on single player there's no problem at all.

And yes unit will move after all creeps died. But what I mean is that if you build far from entrance but no quite mid, lets say I'm red and blue leaks while my unit have a few more creeps to kill, then my ranged unit might see blue's leak and attack them. So I'm just saying that if you increase sight a bit more, this particular situation will happen more often, so building back will be risker.

Btw I played more games on beta 2 and I wanted to say thx for puting back the bonus gold lvl even with high income .
I often have to handle lvl 28-29 alone on my team, and it was impossible with the previous system now with over 16k value I can most of the time save my team lol. And yes it is possible to kill lvl 28 without tanks there are many other ways to kill this lvl, so stop complaining its too hard .
Since 19 is easier lvl 20 finally looks like a real "boss lvl" its pretty nice.
Also 24 is pretty damn good now, people trying to up lumberjack after second arena often fail that lvl. I've had much more games ending at 24 on this version.
One last thing, I think priest is ok now, but I was wondering, you said you put back the cooldown on spells, I noticed with bigfoot + mana reg aura that bigfoot wont stomp even at full mana until cooldown is over. Maybe reduce cooldown on spells then? Or that "key" aura become useless. And does phantoms have that kind of cooldown too or does the aura can increase their attack speed?

before I add cooldown, mana regen aura = 100-350% faster. (60 seconds mana regen time to 17 seconds. or 20 seconds to 10 seconds)

so I have to something with it :
1, remove mana on unit, it will cast when "cool down" is ready, so mana regen aura is useless
2, use mana/mana regen to decide when spell is ready, also lower "cool down" to 65%.

so I choose option 2:
the hidden cool down is about 60%-65% of normal mana regen time.
mean mana regen aura make your spell 35%-40% faster.

how often do you see aura that make you 35-40% better? it is very useful on priest too ! (as well as any unit with mana, include bigfoot)

if I get enough complaint about option 2 on 3.41, then I can change to option 1 in future future.

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GG rules will slightly changed (on next release) :
- leaked bounty formula still same ( leaked % = value/recommend value)
- but final leaked bounty is adjust by : -1% per number of leaked

so player cannot feed their team forever.

 

[iamthekira]

i just noticed on beta 2... diabolic's mana does not regen after raising the undead.
i dont remember if i saw it raise the creeps in 3.41 b2 or in another version and if 0 on mana is just a bug, but the spell still works :-?? so check that out please.

 

[Gazelle]

before I add cooldown, mana regen aura = 100-350% faster. (60 seconds mana regen time to 17 seconds. or 20 seconds to 10 seconds)

so I have to something with it :
1, remove mana on unit, it will cast when "cool down" is ready, so mana regen aura is useless
2, use mana/mana regen to decide when spell is ready, also lower "cool down" to 65%.

so I choose option 2:
the hidden cool down is about 60%-65% of normal mana regen time.
mean mana regen aura make your spell 35%-40% faster.

how often do you see aura that make you 35-40% better? it is very useful on priest too ! (as well as any unit with mana, include bigfoot)

if I get enough complaint about option 2 on 3.41, then I can change to option 1 in future future.

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GG rules will slightly changed (on next release) :
- leaked bounty formula still same ( leaked % = value/recommend value)
- but final leaked bounty is adjust by : -1% per number of leaked

so player cannot feed their team forever.

Didnt knew the 3% bonus mana reg was "that good", 35-40% faster is huge. Maybe then make hidden cooldown around 75% of normal mana reg.
The thing is, during the game, the only reason I would switch to element would be to get that aura cause I dont like the other units lol.
So if at some point you choose option 1... then element become pretty useless on repick :S.
So for now, what you just said makes element more interresting, I'll try to play it more, if I have time, to see if it makes spell caster too op.
Btw is it me or bigfoot's stomp has slower mana reg than before? And fan of knives is faster or the new 20 mana make it looks like mana go up faster? lol

Will there be any use to the new score system? Because if you want a good score you have to not switch race, so maybe if you have a good score you could get a bonus of some kind. If you get nothing, then not switching will just make you much weaker late game.

 

[HuanAk]

most of them are 1 mana per second now. (I will change them to 1 per second and adjust mana pool if I found any)

mana aura tooltip is wrong, should be 5% (changed to 5% in 3.4)

Score is mainly for W3MMD, as well as for title (after I get enough data), eg :
Noob : less than 200 score.
Average: 200-300 score.
Pro : 300+ score.

and if you played with your friend (and both of you are Pro). now you can claim your score is higher than him

again, -cb is for noob, It is one of most imbalance mode. (but people like it)

 

[Gazelle]

most of them are 1 mana per second now. (I will change them to 1 per second and adjust mana pool if I found any)

mana aura tooltip is wrong, should be 5% (changed to 5% in 3.4)

Score is mainly for W3MMD, as well as for title (after I get enough data), eg :
Noob : less than 200 score.
Average: 200-300 score.
Pro : 300+ score.

and if you played with your friend (and both of you are Pro). now you can claim your score is higher than him

again, -cb is for noob, It is one of most imbalance mode. (but people like it)

Ok so 300+ score is good, I thought score would go higher than that on late game, got 390 at lvl 28 and thought it was bad lol.
Personnaly the race I play the most (90% of the time) is prophet, the problem is that without cb mode, prophet cant re roll and becomes a rly bad race lol. Maybe allow 1-2 repick on prophet even without cb mode cause if you get bad luck at start, ex all ranged light armor units or all melee heavy armor, which did happen to me without cb, you're done...
You'll put title back later? Cause from what I remember, getting 2k value and 50 income at lvl 10 without feed is pretty much impossible unless the game is rly slow, but the 2 other requirements were fine I believe.

 

[Gazelle]

My best score for now: 414 at lvl 31 with over 21k value. Had to stop at 7/10 though cause of my team :/.

I think priest are still too strong, even though they have less mana they heal just as fast and as much. Yeah they are less op late game since they cant heal "forever". I'm posting this because people keep playing with only priest as a defense which is not supose to work, its not even a "tactic" lol. Maybe put their armor to light armor so they become too weak without tank or find another way to prevent people from using them as the main unit in their defense. Massing healers with demi human just cant work, I dont see why it would work with priest, just saying...

 

[HuanAk]

My best score for now: 414 at lvl 31 with over 21k value. Had to stop at 7/10 though cause of my team :/.

I think priest are still too strong, even though they have less mana they heal just as fast and as much. Yeah they are less op late game since they cant heal "forever". I'm posting this because people keep playing with only priest as a defense which is not supose to work, its not even a "tactic" lol. Maybe put their armor to light armor so they become too weak without tank or find another way to prevent people from using them as the main unit in their defense. Massing healers with demi human just cant work, I dont see why it would work with priest, just saying...

Beta 3 released

let me know your new best score:
- New GG rules should reduce gold from "too much" feed.
- Level 7 is harder now (so lumber need slow down untill lvl7)
- level 17+ is harder now (it is harder to reach 7/15)

 

[MastaKilla]

Beta 3:

I cant see the resources of my allies, how much gold/lumber they have...
mode is apglcb

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one player failed with priest (thought it's 3.4 style). leaked in round 3, 5, 6, 7 and 8 already gave no bounty at all for his leaked units .. he leaked like half of it in round 8. he didnt leak 9. lets say he recovers and no major leaks later. will the new gg mode be kinda reset or upgraded again, so lets say he leaks in 15 again and his units will give bounty again? or is once 0% bounty final?

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i think the new costs for frost wolf and ice troll of 240 is inappropriate. 250 was/is ok, as its nice aura and therefore ok to lose a little income. gargolye and ballista for 440/340 is ok though. it always sucked you couldnt do bigger units without losing income/lumber.

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w3mmd data: (table: w3mmdplayers)

| 107 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   2 | koksnutt3       | winner |      0 |          1 |
| 108 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   3 | budasenikorumaz | winner |      0 |          1 |
| 109 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   4 | ryiac           | loser  |      0 |          1 |
| 110 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   6 | schlied         | loser  |      0 |          1 |
| 111 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   7 | bogdanrules     | loser  |      0 |          1 |
| 112 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   0 | kreutertee      | winner |      0 |          1 |
| 113 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   1 | le0nhart        |        |      1 |          1 |
| 114 |     0 | legionmega |  35607 |   5 | spardar99       |        |      1 |          1 |
+-----+-------+------------+--------+-----+-----------------+--------+--------+------------+

winner, loser and leaver are correctly tagged. but spardar99 left like 30-60 seconds before game was over, so i assume you have no rule like "if endtime-leavetime < 120 seconds then player = winner/loser".
ah i just see we have a value called "level". you could do a "if leavelevel = gameoverlevel then winner/loser".


w3mmd data: (table: w3mmdvars)

mysql> select * from w3mmdvars where gameid = 35607;
+-----+-------+--------+-----+--------------+-----------+------------+-------------------+
| id  | botid | gameid | pid | varname      | value_int | value_real | value_string      |
+-----+-------+--------+-----+--------------+-----------+------------+-------------------+
| 547 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 548 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "8621"            |
| 549 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "320"             |
| 550 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "20"              |
| 551 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "7/10"            |
| 552 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "10130"           |
| 553 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "Kreutertee"      |
| 554 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Orc"             |
| 555 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "310"             |
| 556 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "2464"            |
| 557 |     0 |  35607 |   0 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "6390"            |
| 558 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 559 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "2477"            |
| 560 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "31"              |
| 561 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "11"              |
| 562 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "3/0"             |
| 563 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "773"             |
| 564 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "LE0NHART"        |
| 565 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Paladin"         |
| 566 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "-3"              |
| 567 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "1332"            |
| 568 |     0 |  35607 |   1 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "2170"            |
| 569 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 570 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "7457"            |
| 571 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "293"             |
| 572 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "20"              |
| 573 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "7/9"             |
| 574 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "8712"            |
| 575 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "koksnutt3"       |
| 576 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Prophet"         |
| 577 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "232"             |
| 578 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "2464"            |
| 579 |     0 |  35607 |   2 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "5725"            |
| 580 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 581 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "8037"            |
| 582 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "361"             |
| 583 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "20"              |
| 584 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "7/8"             |
| 585 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "9213"            |
| 586 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "Budasenikorumaz" |
| 587 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Prophet"         |
| 588 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "305"             |
| 589 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "2464"            |
| 590 |     0 |  35607 |   3 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "6245"            |
| 591 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 592 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "7434"            |
| 593 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "162"             |
| 594 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "20"              |
| 595 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "7/3"             |
| 596 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "5216"            |
| 597 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "Ryiac"           |
| 598 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Paladin"         |
| 599 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "233"             |
| 600 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "2464"            |
| 601 |     0 |  35607 |   4 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "6515"            |
| 602 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 603 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "6937"            |
| 604 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "138"             |
| 605 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "19"              |
| 606 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "7/3"             |
| 607 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "3659"            |
| 608 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "spardar99"       |
| 609 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Undead"          |
| 610 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "230"             |
| 611 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "2325"            |
| 612 |     0 |  35607 |   5 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "6160"            |
| 613 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 614 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "7912"            |
| 615 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "350"             |
| 616 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "20"              |
| 617 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "7/10"            |
| 618 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "10846"           |
| 619 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "Schlied"         |
| 620 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Mech"            |
| 621 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "303"             |
| 622 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "2464"            |
| 623 |     0 |  35607 |   6 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "5755"            |
| 624 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | game_mode    |      NULL |       NULL | "-aplihgggcbx3"   |
| 625 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | gold_total   |      NULL |       NULL | "5860"            |
| 626 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | income       |      NULL |       NULL | "206"             |
| 627 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | level        |      NULL |       NULL | "20"              |
| 628 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | lumber       |      NULL |       NULL | "7/4"             |
| 629 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | lumber_total |      NULL |       NULL | "4884"            |
| 630 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | name         |      NULL |       NULL | "BogdanRules"     |
| 631 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | race         |      NULL |       NULL | "Paladin"         |
| 632 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | score        |      NULL |       NULL | "134"             |
| 633 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | seconds      |      NULL |       NULL | "2464"            |
| 634 |     0 |  35607 |   7 | value        |      NULL |       NULL | "4975"            |
+-----+-------+--------+-----+--------------+-----------+------------+-------------------+

i see we have game_mode filled for any player. is that information needed at all?

---

ah and i noticed a little error. player spardar99 left in round 20, when he saw everyone on his side was leaking the bosses, but it was already round 20 and the game ended in round 20. w3mmd value "level" says "19" though, everyone else had 20 (which is correct).
also the early leaver in round 12 (just checked the replay) has w3mmd value 11, but in fact left in/during round 12.

edit: ok i just see we also have a "seconds" value, so a "secondsgameover - secondsleaver" could be done. but for the leaver, who left just right before the game ended, i'd say it was max. 1,5 minutes, so 90 seconds, but the values for the other players says "2464" where the leaver goes with "2325" which is 139 less, but i doubt it was 139seconds, whatever maybe check the replay with a stopwatch

therefore see the replay attached!

---

we have a w3mmd value score = -3
well this player was bad, yep, but -3 seems not plausible he had a positive value ingame, rest seems ok?!

---

Everything else seems ok so far

 

[phuduvn]

Well then, someone try not to farm anymore/or mass farm and save lumber for round 7 now. Hard to defend, i had some games ended at round 7. Its not good, a suddenly death is a trick right now.
Btw, is there a wrong tooltip or something else? The gravekeeper decrease army's attack down to 10% and STACKABLE. Mean if u have 10 gravekeeper, the creep's attack is down to zero. 10 gravekeepers only cost 4500 gold. I often build a gravekeeper and a lv1 one to have 2 auras.
Like Mastakilla said, i cant see my friends info ( gold and lumber left).

 

[Gazelle]

Well then, someone try not to farm anymore/or mass farm and save lumber for round 7 now. Hard to defend, i had some games ended at round 7. Its not good, a suddenly death is a trick right now.
Btw, is there a wrong tooltip or something else? The gravekeeper decrease army's attack down to 10% and STACKABLE. Mean if u have 10 gravekeeper, the creep's attack is down to zero. 10 gravekeepers only cost 4500 gold. I often build a gravekeeper and a lv1 one to have 2 auras.
Like Mastakilla said, i cant see my friends info ( gold and lumber left).

Apparition aura stack with gravekeeper aura, that's what is writen in game. You need 2 different auras to stack them.

Btw I also had a -3 score on my team once and the guy failed alot too. Maybe he lose more points from leaks than the overall score from value etc. I have no replay though cant give more information.

 

[HuanAk]

W3MMD/Leaver Flag/game mode :
- it is 120 seconds ("2464" - "2325" > 120 second)
- because it only update at beginning of wave, or after king die, so "2325" is not accuracy
- maybe I should use 180 seconds for this version.
- and in future, I can add another update after player leave so game seconds is more accuracy. (I worry about this may cause desync, so don't want to add them in final beta)

Score:
- score on every level = (value / recommended value ) x (up to 150) + (income / (bonus gold *2)) x 100
- "total score" = sum of score on every level
- "average" score is "total score" / level
- "final score" is adjusted by "average score " -1 per leaked
- "final score" is the one display on screen
- if they leaked that much, their score should be low

GG rules:
- bounty % = (current value / current recommended value) - 1% per number of leaked
- so player can't feed more than 100 leaked (unless their value is higher than 100%

allies Gold/Lumber:
- I accident disable it because I though this trigger is never used, will put back (for lower map's size to 998kb)

 

[MastaKilla]

Leaver Flag :
- it is 120 seconds ("2464" - "2325" > 120 second)
- because it only update at beginning of wave, or king die, so "2325" is not accuracy
- maybe I should use 180 seconds

ah, ok. well yeah, make it 180 seconds then.

W3MMD and game mode:
- maybe it is useful to track which mode is most used .

hm

GG rules:
- bounty % = (current value / current recommended value) - 1% per number of leaked
- so player can't feed more than 100 leaked (unless their value is higher than 100%

ah ok, my fault. didnt read the formula that exactly

allies Gold/Lumber:
- I accident disable it because I though this trigger is never used, will put back (for lower map's size to 998kb)

hehe, well thats what betas are made for, to figure out bugs


---

also had a new bug. i just started a game, mode again hcl = 0 to enable w3mmd, mode -apglcb, then i randomed and got marine. i was red. but it wasnt announced like "Kreutertee randomed Marine" it just said nothing at all. i just got marine, thats it

so far

 

[Jake Command Wolf]

LegionTD Mega is base on Legion TD War 1.50c (by LISK), he quit Warcraft 3 and leaved the map for anyone to continue development.

Left*, not leaved. Sorry that’s just my inner grammar nazi going out a little bit, hahaha lol.

Honestly I don't play the Legion TD remakes, the original 1.50b was the best by far, and I'm just afraid people are going to mess up the core game play with useless sub-mechanics.

Then it will turn into Skibi's Castle, a technical marvel that’s far too overloaded and over complicated for any to want to play on a regular basis, same could apply to Cruiser Command too now that I think of it.

I may give this a try though, since it’s currently the most downloaded map on the Hive.

Regards,

Jake

 

[Gazelle]

Honestly I don't play the Legion TD remakes, the original 1.50b was the best by far, and I'm just afraid people are going to mess up the core game play with useless sub-mechanics.

I was thinking the same for a while about x3 and all that stuff. But turns out its fun to play . If you're like me and play this game pretty much from the creation of Legion TD, then I dont think you'll find new versions too "complicated" the basics were learned so long ago for most of the experiemented players. So its easy to adapt yourself to the new legion TD. Personnally I still believe the game is rly simple, but new players probably wont think that way.

Score:
- score on every level = (value / recommended value ) x (up to 150) + (income / (bonus gold *2)) x 100
- "total score" = sum of score on every level
- "average" score is "total score" / level
- "final score" is adjusted by "average score " -1 per leaked
- "final score" is the one display on screen
- if they leaked that much, their score should be low

I'll try the beta 3 as soon as I have time and see if its harder to get high score. The goal is to make 300 a rly hard score to get? Did you remove the 50% bonus score from not switching race? When I got the 414 score I did switch race does it means I would've get 621 (if I understood the bonus correctly) that score looks way too high.
Also the score you see on board is your total score not counting leaks or counting them? Cause I did get a different score once on the game board and on the display screen at the end. Like around 400 on the board, but 300 on the final display screen.

 

[HuanAk]

also had a new bug. i just started a game, mode again hcl = 0 to enable w3mmd, mode -apglcb, then i randomed and got marine. i was red. but it wasnt announced like "Kreutertee randomed Marine" it just said nothing at all. i just got marine, thats it

-ap then click on random builder right ?

This work on single player so it should on multi player as well ?

I will check on multiplayer

Cause I did get a different score once on the game board and on the display screen at the end. Like around 400 on the board, but 300 on the final display screen.

Beta 1 is bug, because lvl31+ count as leaked but it is fixed in Beta 2.

score formula still same.

you can put formula on excel file, enter your value, income to find out your score

if you never changed builder, modifier = 150
if you changed one, then modifier = 140
....
changed 5 time, modifier = 100

in Beta 3, lvl17+ is harder so it is harder to get 7/15 hence lower score ?

 

[Gazelle]

if you never changed builder, modifier = 150
if you changed one, then modifier = 140
....
changed 5 time, modifier = 100

in Beta 3, lvl17+ is harder so it is harder to get 7/15 hence lower score ?

Oh ok I thought once you changed builder once it was going from 150 to 100.

I can't say its impossible to get 7/15 in beta 3 but much riskier. And early lvl are harder now, first creeps are back to normal size so harder to defend, so less income early, less gold later, then even 7/10 might be hard on that version. I'll play it more tomorrow and see what's the average lumberjack I can get. Probably around 7/8 if I stop lumberjack after lvl 20.

New priest seems fine, I just tried them in single player and noticed they can heal themself, is that a bug or not? Not that it rly matter.

Edit: Oh one more thing: Apparition/Gravekeeper attack range changed (600->500, so aura cover more unit)
Noticed that when 3.4 came out, but had no idea it was a bug until I saw the change log lol.
Apparition and Gravekeeper both have 500 range when you build them, but only Apparition got 500 range in the actual fight, Gravekeeper is still at 600 range.

 

[MastaKilla]

-ap then click on random builder right ?

This work on single player so it should on multi player as well ?

I will check on multiplayer

Exactly, click on random unit (the questionmark , but no announcement that i randomed and what race i got.

New priest seems fine, I just tried them in single player and noticed they can heal themself, is that a bug or not? Not that it rly matter.

Yep, priest is ok again, like back in 3.3? I think self healing should be ok

 

[HuanAk]

I am creating unit stat in excel file again(I lost my excel file when my HD die), very boring job. (264 unit)

I think I will changed all unit's description to :
From "DPS : 80"
To "Damage: 101-151"
(everything else still same)

------------

I think new priest is very strange. It should heal every 5 seconds, but I saw it heal every 4th attack. also sometime he can attack & heal at same time.

 

[MastaKilla]

I think I will changed all unit's description to :
From "DPS : 80"
To "Damage: 101-151"

ah great. i already was annoyed by the dps several times, but always forgot to mention it. the dmg description is way better

 

[MastaKilla]

i got an update on the random unit thing without announcement.

i randomed again (me red), and i got mech. but it was announced that pink player randomed prophet. so you kinda put out the wrong variable here.

as i know for sure, pink randomed before me and it was already announced that pink randomed prophet. and when i randomed mech, it was announced again that pink randomed prophet.

edit: another one, now randomed before pink did. see the attachment the announcement you see came for me (red) for picking a random unit.

 

[HuanAk]

i got an update on the random unit thing without announcement.

i randomed again (me red), and i got mech. but it was announced that pink player randomed prophet. so you kinda put out the wrong variable here.

as i know for sure, pink randomed before me and it was already announced that pink randomed prophet. and when i randomed mech, it was announced again that pink randomed prophet.

edit: another one, now randomed before pink did. see the attachment the announcement you see came for me (red) for picking a random unit.

Fixed.

also when you pick Prophet, it won't give message (also Fixed)

 

[MastaKilla]

wow i just epic failed with beast. couldnt make up ever since round 1 till game ended in round 17. check the replay.

well, i was kinda unlucky with summons, but also cause harpy/medusa kinda suck now. i had like a gazillion units surviving with 1hp. 1 harpy cant even kill round 1 unit with "1 hit" (meaning 1 hit + poisoning). just check round 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, well.. the game was long gone for me here

wasnt harpy able to do so before? or medusa on round 3..? disastrous

maybe it's just me, but at least take a look at it

 

[phr33st00fpl0x]

I am creating unit stat in excel file again(I lost my excel file when my HD die), very boring job. (264 unit)

I think I will changed all unit's description to :
From "DPS : 80"
To "Damage: 101-151"
(everything else still same)

Wait... please do not remove the dps data, it's actually a ton more useful than just attack damage. It tells me whether a unit is worth to build or not.

And I also summarized that 0.5 dps per gold is the basic idea: units that have special ability / good armor/atk type / more health will always have a lowered ratio.

A question about excel. Can you just write one formula (like "MaxDamage = BaseDamage + NumberofDice * SideperDie ) and apply it to an entire column? because this will save so much work compared to going through the units one by one.

 

[HuanAk]

wow i just epic failed with beast. couldnt make up ever since round 1 till game ended in round 17. check the replay.

well, i was kinda unlucky with summons, but also cause harpy/medusa kinda suck now. i had like a gazillion units surviving with 1hp. 1 harpy cant even kill round 1 unit with "1 hit" (meaning 1 hit + poisoning). just check round 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, well.. the game was long gone for me here

wasnt harpy able to do so before? or medusa on round 3..? disastrous

maybe it's just me, but at least take a look at it

Poison damage will like this (this is same as what Dota did)

because in my test, they won't give bounty 1-2 kill per wave.

this happen after I lower corpse decay time (eg, if corpse decay before poison finish, then game can't identify who kill it. and "corpse" still count as a unit)

and I will try show you Beast build without leak (with high income)

 

[HuanAk]

Wait... please do not remove the dps data, it's actually a ton more useful than just attack damage. It tells me whether a unit is worth to build or not.

And I also summarized that 0.5 dps per gold is the basic idea: units that have special ability / good armor/atk type / more health will always have a lowered ratio.

A question about excel. Can you just write one formula (like "MaxDamage = BaseDamage + NumberofDice * SideperDie ) and apply it to an entire column? because this will save so much work compared to going through the units one by one.

phr33st00fpl0x, merged data do not work , so I have to copy/paste again for version 3.41.

 

[phr33st00fpl0x]

phr33st00fpl0x, merged data do not work , so I have to copy/paste again for version 3.41.

Awww stupid excel zz... But could you please keep the dps data? It is an important info for people to follow when building fighters.

And I think you mentioned before about not having enough ability ideas for units. Here are some hardcoded abilities that havent been used:

Blizzard / Rain of Fire / Flame Strike
Banish
Avatar
Static Trap
Serpent Ward
Hex / Polymorph
Metamorphosis (well it could be far more creative than Change Stance)
Stone Form (Gargoyle)
Essence of Blight / Spirit Touch (Obsidian Statue)
Orb of Annihilation (Destroyer)
Death Coil
Sleep
Inferno (Causes stun and summons unit)
Impale
Locust Swarm
Taunt
Moon Well heal
Starfall
Blink
Shadow Strike
Parasite (Or some other name, from naga siren)
Tornado / Cyclone
Divine Shield
Purge
Lightning Shield
Healing Spray
Acid Bomb (Alchemist)
Transmute (Alchemist)
Life Drain
Charm
Lava Spawn (Spiltting summons after a number of attacks)
Incinerate (Stacks up damage on one unit, explodes unit when it dies)
Volcano
Pocket Factory (summon building that create units)
Doom (DoT on one unit and summon upon death)
Stampede
Storm, Earth and Fire



Long list xD, but might be useful in future. Cuz even if you are too tired of making new races, you can always replace boring abilities with interesting ones (Like Warden's, Why not just remove 100% "crit" and double her damage?)

 

[HuanAk]

Here is Beast build with 7/5 at lvl13
- Beta 3
- Patch 1.26e
- 5/0 lumber at level 3
- 5 gold short for lvl5 (should upgraded my 4th ogre)
- 10 gold short for lvl13 (should upgrade 2nd red dragon)

 

[HuanAk]

Awww stupid excel zz... But could you please keep the dps data? It is an important info for people to follow when building fighters.

And I think you mentioned before about not having enough ability ideas for units. Here are some hardcoded abilities that havent been used:

Blizzard / Rain of Fire / Flame Strike
Banish
Avatar
Static Trap
Serpent Ward
Hex / Polymorph
Metamorphosis (well it could be far more creative than Change Stance)
Stone Form (Gargoyle)
Essence of Blight / Spirit Touch (Obsidian Statue)
Orb of Annihilation (Destroyer)
Death Coil
Sleep
Inferno (Causes stun and summons unit)
Impale
Locust Swarm
Taunt
Moon Well heal
Starfall
Blink
Shadow Strike
Parasite (Or some other name, from naga siren)
Tornado / Cyclone
Divine Shield
Purge
Lightning Shield
Healing Spray
Acid Bomb (Alchemist)
Transmute (Alchemist)
Life Drain
Charm
Lava Spawn (Spiltting summons after a number of attacks)
Incinerate (Stacks up damage on one unit, explodes unit when it dies)
Volcano
Pocket Factory (summon building that create units)
Doom (DoT on one unit and summon upon death)
Stampede
Storm, Earth and Fire



Long list xD, but might be useful in future. Cuz even if you are too tired of making new races, you can always replace boring abilities with interesting ones (Like Warden's, Why not just remove 100% "crit" and double her damage?)

- any channeling spells(starfall, blizzardetc) are NO, because AI is too dumb to cast this
- Hex/sheep/ control type spell are useless & annoy
- one race take 3-8 spell and 1 useful aura/support ability

100% "crit" is better than nothing, and it make warden look like mad fighter too.

 

[Gazelle]

Dont know why but cant see any replay posted on the forum :/.

Every game I played tonight we're just bad... this version is harder than others, and 95% of the players are noobs. Got once to lvl 24, once to 20 and rest to 17 or lower lol. As I thought its hard to get 7/15 but its possible to get 7/10 before lvl 20 pretty much every game and 7/12 after 20. If you have 7/10 at 20 and rush 7/15 on late lvls, it will probably result in leaking at least lvl 24 and 28, ofc depend on races.

Last game I played I got 301 score at lvl 13 with 7/7, but I got fed little. Then somehow at lvl 20 I ended up with a score of 220 o.0, on final display board cause game ended. Switched race only once and never leaked.

I randomed undead once and tried the new war machine (tier 3) with tanks in front, didnt worked at all, they have too low hp and very small splash. Couldn't kill from lvl 5 with req value. (zombie as tanks, war machine behind and 1 necro behind war machine)

Here's my suggestion: War machine should get 350 - 375 range instead of 500, but higher hp. That way they can tank for necromancers, cause you need a unit of around 250-375 to protect necro (to protect them against big melee like lvl 6). The only units with that kind of range would be death dragon and is kinda expensive to protect necromander in early game or tier 1 which are too weak.

 

[phr33st00fpl0x]

- any channeling spells(starfall, blizzardetc) are NO, because AI is too dumb to cast this
- Hex/sheep/ control type spell are useless & annoy
- one race take 3-8 spell and 1 useful aura/support ability

100% "crit" is better than nothing, and it make warden look like mad fighter too.

1 - Make dummy and let it channel spell (while fighter is free to attack)

2 - not necessarily, can code it AoE and last short on boss. like ranged version of Bigfoot stomp, but you don't have to use hex anyways, there are a lot more

3 - So it's not that many for one race isn't it.

For warden, I wanted a bit more than just eye candy (run to engage enemy, blink to every next target would be epic), but that's just me lol

Since you didn't mention the rest of the spell pool I guess they are all good?

 

[HuanAk]

1 - Make dummy and let it channel spell (while fighter is free to attack)

2 - not necessarily, can code it AoE and last short on boss. like ranged version of Bigfoot stomp, but you don't have to use hex anyways, there are a lot more

3 - So it's not that many for one race isn't it.

For warden, I wanted a bit more than just eye candy (run to engage enemy, blink to every next target would be epic), but that's just me lol

Since you didn't mention the rest of the spell pool I guess they are all good?

there are lots of big spell on this website, so many of them are good spell with very nice effect (like all Dota's spell).

but... Legion TD will lag like hell if I download those spell.

everyone know my version have lower lag than 2.7.

I deleted most of big spell, and replaced most of "single targeted damage" type spell with "orb".

I will try use simple spell that doesn't require any code to cast, so map won't become more and more lag in future.

this is not Hero fight game, so you can't have big spell like Dota.

 

[HuanAk]

Dont know why but cant see any replay posted on the forum :/.

Every game I played tonight we're just bad... this version is harder than others, and 95% of the players are noobs. Got once to lvl 24, once to 20 and rest to 17 or lower lol. As I thought its hard to get 7/15 but its possible to get 7/10 before lvl 20 pretty much every game and 7/12 after 20. If you have 7/10 at 20 and rush 7/15 on late lvls, it will probably result in leaking at least lvl 24 and 28, ofc depend on races.

Last game I played I got 301 score at lvl 13 with 7/7, but I got fed little. Then somehow at lvl 20 I ended up with a score of 220 o.0, on final display board cause game ended. Switched race only once and never leaked.

I randomed undead once and tried the new war machine (tier 3) with tanks in front, didnt worked at all, they have too low hp and very small splash. Couldn't kill from lvl 5 with req value. (zombie as tanks, war machine behind and 1 necro behind war machine)

Here's my suggestion: War machine should get 350 - 375 range instead of 500, but higher hp. That way they can tank for necromancers, cause you need a unit of around 250-375 to protect necro (to protect them against big melee like lvl 6). The only units with that kind of range would be death dragon and is kinda expensive to protect necromander in early game or tier 1 which are too weak.

how score relate to title:

Pro :
250 score at level 10
300 score at lvl20
350 score at level 30 ?? (need more data)

I like undead because it is hard to play(and it work), other races are boring because I know how to build them (just build 1 or 2 unit for whole game and check value for hard level)