Avatar 0.59

Vexsaluse · Aug 20, 2010

waste of time worthless sry

MaweyRUS · Aug 21, 2010

I have made helicopter model, well as? If it is need I can give.

Hugomath · Aug 22, 2010

Well, Dj0z, I know I've promised making a review as soon as I get Warcraft on my PC. So, I got it and... I can't really say a thing, because the map really improved since the last time I've played, and I feel that I can't say anything to improve it, because it's already awesome

. So I won't make a review, but I'll give ya +rep

Dj0z · Aug 23, 2010

Hugomath said:
Well, Dj0z, I know I've promised making a review as soon as I get Warcraft on my PC. So, I got it and... I can't really say a thing, because the map really improved since the last time I've played, and I feel that I can't say anything to improve it, because it's already awesome . So I won't make a review, but I'll give ya +rep

Well thanks dude

Avatar 0.45b is out, major changes to the start and the quests, let me know what you think of it!

cleavinghammer · Aug 24, 2010

Haven't been able to get the other versions since .37, so here's what I think of it so far as I get used to the new systems:

* Terrain is nice, still a little monotonous in places, and I hope the Hallellujah Mountains will have more detail. But more interesting, that's for sure.
* I think the Corps buildings should be greyed out, with the requirements listed in the tooltips, rather than given one by one. The current system is very counterintuitive.
* Maybe use a different model for the Rocket and Firebat? The Orc Firebat was a good one, I don't think there's any reason to change it...

Dj0z · Aug 24, 2010

cleavinghammer said:
Haven't been able to get the other versions since .37, so here's what I think of it so far as I get used to the new systems:

* Terrain is nice, still a little monotonous in places, and I hope the Hallellujah Mountains will have more detail. But more interesting, that's for sure.
* I think the Corps buildings should be greyed out, with the requirements listed in the tooltips, rather than given one by one. The current system is very counterintuitive.
* Maybe use a different model for the Rocket and Firebat? The Orc Firebat was a good one, I don't think there's any reason to change it...

Good to see you're not gone to SC2, i was starting to wonder if all the reviewers had moved out...
*Glad you like the terrain, and yea i'm adding some detail to it every now and then.
*I had already figured that out because of the extreme confusion of players, and it will be this way soon as i finished debugging 0.46.
*Well the firebat is the one who can hardly see the weapon of

but more seriously, yea i'll try to find models that dont look alike. I'm just trying to remove the "orc" skins since some people care about it.

Hugomath · Aug 25, 2010

I'm not leaving to SC2

Anyways, 0.45 is very nice

! I liked the quests you must do first as a Corps. Seems so cool

Dj0z · Aug 26, 2010

Nice ^^ i have 0.46 ready where i have made these Corp quests more player-friendly (and debugged/improved many other texts) so you should like it too ^^. I haven't uploaded it yet to the hive cuz 0.45b is still in frontpage, the update would be unnoticed lolol.
It seems to have reached it's point (helping newcomers and explaining them the game), as long as they care to read the questboard ofc.

TheCloust · Aug 26, 2010

Nice map, i love it, but i have a few suggestions:

Man, please, explain better the start, as a human or as an avatar for the first time i was really confused, i took 30 minutes to start about how to play and etc...

Just this, explain better our fuctions too and more detailed description about the quests ( i stayed a really good time looking for the ''special menu'' ;p

Dj0z · Aug 27, 2010

TheCloust said:
Nice map, i love it, but i have a few suggestions:

Man, please, explain better the start, as a human or as an avatar for the first time i was really confused, i took 30 minutes to start about how to play and etc...

Just this, explain better our fuctions too and more detailed description about the quests ( i stayed a really good time looking for the ''special menu'' ;p

Glad you like the map

i'm trying to make it easier to understand ever single version, but sometimes i wonder why i'm writing tips everywhere when players just don't read >.> ..
Still, your comments points out something that needs improvement so it's gonna help me

wenzoui · Aug 29, 2010

Etzer said:
Thats a description i like!
Anyways, gameplay looks good from the screenshots

THIS MAP IS LOADS OF FUN!!!!!!!!!
I only have 1 request,it needs more work on all the quests.
Most of them i couldn't understand.
I have to give this a 4.5/5 for now.

HellRiser94 · Aug 29, 2010

hope u can put in AI

Dj0z · Aug 29, 2010

wenzoui said:
THIS MAP IS LOADS OF FUN!!!!!!!!!
I only have 1 request,it needs more work on all the quests.
Most of them i couldn't understand.
I have to give this a 4.5/5 for now.

I'm constantly trying to make them better, at some point they will be totally fine i guess

Thanks for the comment!

Icedrake · Aug 31, 2010

Hey Dj0z. First of all, kudos to you for making this great map. I haven't tested it extensively yet, but I did notice something right away during the last few games I've played with this map. I'm not sure if this has been posted of before (I didn't bother to read the other 23 pages), but it seems like it is very easy to swarm an R.D.A. base with lots of animals. I haven't noticed any sort of limit as to how much animals you can control, so you can just bide your time taming more and more animals, and then just swarm the R.D.A. base. Because of the R.D.A. limit, they won't have enough units to fend off the attack. Would this not happen with pro R.D.A. users or is it a weakness of the R.D.A. that the Avatars can take advantage of?

Rating: 5/5. Nice work.

cleavinghammer · Sep 1, 2010

A few thoughts:

* During the RDA's set-up phase, could you maybe ping the locations you're supposed to reach (Na'vi, stone, etc.)?
** Also, when building the first extractor, point out what you need to do by adding, say, (Use Interact on suspicious-looking ground) at the end.
* Any chance of having Interact as an immediately accessible ability (instead of in another menu) for the commander?
* Make drones transportable, as gatherers they need protection.
* I like the artillery unit, but there should be one icon each for the firing modes.

* If you go to a Hometree too soon as an Avatar, the message about the questbox pops in during the cutscene (I like the dumbass radio operator in that one).
* It might be a one-time thing, but I got to 20 animal kills (and animal neutrality) without getting the "animals are now neutral" message.
* There should be some kind of message and Interact reaction for the powerstones.
* The avatar floats a few feet off his ride (it's particularly bad with Titanotheres: sometimes he cruises along far above it, sometimes he's inside it like a horrifying teleporter experiment.)
** The problem with dropping items still occurs (the ride doesn't budge if the item is dropped too far away)
** It still looks weird to have the avatar levitate himself upwards to ride (then again, he also floats above his ride. Who knew avatars had psychic powers?)
* There are many "check the list of bonuses" messages, but the only Na'vi bonus to show up in the list is the War Speech (and as far as I can tell there's only four Na'vi bonuses to be had).

* General: Could you make some kind of (optional) camera system around the central cliffs so the camera stays level over the huge dips? Otherwise, you can't keep track of your units, how they're positioned, if they're being attacked, etc.

Squall_Leonheart · Sep 2, 2010

THIS IS EPIC!!!! love how the way u created a space like environment & the hallelujah mounts... those are just way too epic!!! the models, the environments & the gameplay is totally epic!!! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the only sad thing, no AI.... that must be hard for ya... i know the pain to make a good ai...

4.95/5
+rep!

GJ, & keep it up!

Dj0z · Sep 2, 2010

Vardix said:
Hey Dj0z. First of all, kudos to you for making this great map. I haven't tested it extensively yet, but I did notice something right away during the last few games I've played with this map. I'm not sure if this has been posted of before (I didn't bother to read the other 23 pages), but it seems like it is very easy to swarm an R.D.A. base with lots of animals. I haven't noticed any sort of limit as to how much animals you can control, so you can just bide your time taming more and more animals, and then just swarm the R.D.A. base. Because of the R.D.A. limit, they won't have enough units to fend off the attack. Would this not happen with pro R.D.A. users or is it a weakness of the R.D.A. that the Avatars can take advantage of?

Rating: 5/5. Nice work.

Hey Vardix

and thanks.

There is actually no limit to how many animals you can control, other than the limit of animals of that type alive on the map. When you kill animals, some others of that type will respawn over time but it doesnt apply when you capture them.
So yea it is pretty efficient to swarm RDA base with animals, especially if you have hammerheads. The RDA have strong defense guns though, and they don't cost food, so with proper defenses you won't be able to raze the whole base in 1 go even with all the animals on the map. It's a matter of how fast you manage to do it, too.
As for food, being outnumbered despite being individually stronger, was clearly a major factor of the RDA defeat so here it shall be too.

cleavinghammer said:
A few thoughts:

* During the RDA's set-up phase, could you maybe ping the locations you're supposed to reach (Na'vi, stone, etc.)?
** Also, when building the first extractor, point out what you need to do by adding, say, (Use Interact on suspicious-looking ground) at the end.
* Any chance of having Interact as an immediately accessible ability (instead of in another menu) for the commander?
* Make drones transportable, as gatherers they need protection.
* I like the artillery unit, but there should be one icon each for the firing modes.

* If you go to a Hometree too soon as an Avatar, the message about the questbox pops in during the cutscene (I like the dumbass radio operator in that one).
* It might be a one-time thing, but I got to 20 animal kills (and animal neutrality) without getting the "animals are now neutral" message.
* There should be some kind of message and Interact reaction for the powerstones.
* The avatar floats a few feet off his ride (it's particularly bad with Titanotheres: sometimes he cruises along far above it, sometimes he's inside it like a horrifying teleporter experiment.)
** The problem with dropping items still occurs (the ride doesn't budge if the item is dropped too far away)
** It still looks weird to have the avatar levitate himself upwards to ride (then again, he also floats above his ride. Who knew avatars had psychic powers?)
* There are many "check the list of bonuses" messages, but the only Na'vi bonus to show up in the list is the War Speech (and as far as I can tell there's only four Na'vi bonuses to be had).

* General: Could you make some kind of (optional) camera system around the central cliffs so the camera stays level over the huge dips? Otherwise, you can't keep track of your units, how they're positioned, if they're being attacked, etc.

*Not planning to ping the locations, else players will obviously all go to the same one (the closest) and the "exploration" part will lose some of its sense.
**I have removed the "Find metal" quest in 0.49. That part was causing way more trouble than i expected, it seemed totally away of player intuition to use interact on the ground. Even though that ground was custom import by me (so basically it shoulda looked new and intruiguing, yet seemed to blend in the default tiles barely noticed...) and even though there Was such a tip ("open the menu, use interact, metal ground looks like this and that...").
*Interact (Corp version) is purely a quest ability currently, you use it very few times and it does nothing xcept completing quests. So there's no point in using the "front page" for it.
*You have a point, even though there is drone burrow, it isn't exactly the same thing, is it. As vehicles they are already transportable, by the vehicle transporter (namely, Valkyrie, Unob-unlocked) but i guess i could make a ground vehicle transporter too... we'll see.
*The problem with that ability is: it has 3 levels. If i make it different abilities that replace each other, when you select many MLRS, none of the icons will show and you won't be able to control their firing modes at all. When it's just 1 ability that is capable of having different icons (so that it shows when many MLRS are selected), the options are limited to 2, like immolation and such ( 1 icon "ON", 1 icon "OFF", kthxbai :/ ).
So until i can find something better that works with multi selection, it will stay that way.

*Yeah, this is fixable and will be sometime.
*Can you remember if it was just delayed or if you never actually obtained animal neutrality?
*There will be Interact effects and messages for everything

*Well, experimental system is experimental. I've seen such a system nowhere else so i have little available help regarding this. For ground riding it causes that because of how w3 handles height of flying and ground units differently, but it's purely graphic, unlike the bugs caused by the other possible ways to do the ground riding system.
**Dropping items has an orderID that i didn't manage to detect, so unless some pro can tell me how i detect that i won't be able to attach any reaction to it.
**

yea i'll fix that sometime, once again it's purely graphic so, not hurrying. And we could pretend he just used a rope or something?
*There are actually only 6 bonuses total to be gotten so far. Alot more will be added on the go.

*General: i guess i see what you're talking about. I usually just do -cam 3400 to make it almost unnoticeable but i'll see if i can find something more automated.

Squall_Leonheart said:
THIS IS EPIC!!!! love how the way u created a space like environment & the hallelujah mounts... those are just way too epic!!! the models, the environments & the gameplay is totally epic!!! LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the only sad thing, no AI.... that must be hard for ya... i know the pain to make a good ai...

4.95/5
+rep!

GJ, & keep it up!

thanks, i spent more than a whole week on experimenting with terrain, modeling and skinning techniques to get this result for the Hallelujah Mountains alone.

About AI, i'm not an AI coder but i'm almost certain that will all the custom systems it would take forever to make a working AI for that map, if it's even possible.

cleavinghammer · Sep 2, 2010

For the animal neutrality message: it never showed up, they suddenly became neutral once I killed my twentieth animal (I think it was a crab).

For the artillery: But can't you use the same system as for the space drop, where the icon changes to show what's going to drop?

One thing that came to mind: Maybe put some kind of information on which Na'vi clan you're talking to (for example, now entering Hallelujah mountains, now entering Sky Clan village, now entering...).

Icedrake · Sep 4, 2010

Dj0z said:
Hey Vardix and thanks.

There is actually no limit to how many animals you can control, other than the limit of animals of that type alive on the map. When you kill animals, some others of that type will respawn over time but it doesnt apply when you capture them.
So yea it is pretty efficient to swarm RDA base with animals, especially if you have hammerheads. The RDA have strong defense guns though, and they don't cost food, so with proper defenses you won't be able to raze the whole base in 1 go even with all the animals on the map. It's a matter of how fast you manage to do it, too.
As for food, being outnumbered despite being individually stronger, was clearly a major factor of the RDA defeat so here it shall be too.

Mmm... okay. That definitely clears things up a bit. I thought that the Avatar animal swarming technique made the map a little unbalanced for the R.D.A., but now that you've explained it, I see what you have to do to survive those swarms. Also, thanks for these constant new updates. Gives me something to do on my free time. :grin:

Other: Gave you a rep point for clearing up my questions about this map, and for making this map so awesome.

AsXurian · Sep 5, 2010

Oh my God

My god, this game looks absolutely amazing. The models have great detail and the skill/train system sounds phenominal. I can't believe the amount of time it must've taken to develop this game. Bravo Dj0z, bravo.

:thumbs_up:

ipe123 · Sep 8, 2010

Where's The Metallic ?
Can you send me a pic?
Can't interact, like they said in the quest board
many times i interact the unobtainium Deposit But Nothing Happen Please help mE!!

knight_godryu · Sep 13, 2010

How did you make the people mount the animals?? 0_0 please tell me

captain0rex · Sep 26, 2010

Post Your models Cuz there AWESOME

lateris · Sep 29, 2010

*sigh*
Another stopped project? Or are you just pausing it and will resume it later?

CyberDuelX16 · Sep 29, 2010

Games lookin much better then when i last saw it. Stopping the project?

SasuhKun · Sep 29, 2010

Knight Godryu, do you remember the system of archers jumping in hypogryphs? Its the same, although with different units. (I think)

knight_godryu · Sep 30, 2010

I dont even really know that

Dj0z · Oct 3, 2010

Hi everyone, no the project isn't stopped at all. Thanks for the support though, it is really encouraging

.
I have just moved to a new town and i don't have internet yet there. I'll be back in 2 weeks so then i'll be able to finish the map.
I have SC2 now so i don't know yet what i'm gonna be doing in the near future (when i have internet again ofc).

@Sasuhkun: btw the hippogryph mounting system isn't what i'm using in the map. I created a whole new mechanism.

knight_godryu · Oct 5, 2010

please tell me how you did it

Hugomath · Oct 24, 2010

Dj0z said:
Hi everyone, no the project isn't stopped at all. Thanks for the support though, it is really encouraging .
I have just moved to a new town and i don't have internet yet there. I'll be back in 2 weeks so then i'll be able to finish the map.
I have SC2 now so i don't know yet what i'm gonna be doing in the near future (when i have internet again ofc).

@Sasuhkun: btw the hippogryph mounting system isn't what i'm using in the map. I created a whole new mechanism.

Well, whatever is your choice, you did an outstanding job so far, and I bet you will make another awesome in SC2.

bebem · Oct 28, 2010

I like this game because you can able to mount animals and the robot thing...i was wondering if you could put dire horse and able to mount

Dj0z · Nov 4, 2010

Hugomath said:
Well, whatever is your choice, you did an outstanding job so far, and I bet you will make another awesome in SC2.

Thanks

bebem said:
I like this game because you can able to mount animals and the robot thing...i was wondering if you could put dire horse and able to mount

That was planned and will most likely be done.

mappman · Nov 11, 2010

it would be the BEST if it had ai its a shame really 4/5

Dj0z · Nov 17, 2010

Anyone willing to make an AI for this may do so, and i'd implement it. As for me, i don't know anything about AI, sorry.

boijzu95 · Nov 21, 2010

This map is great, i love it! :wthumbsup:

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Koola · Mar 20, 2011

Very nice i cant wait to play it and what category where the skins from? or did you make them yourself i know you didnt make the rocket trooper because i saw it somewhere else

Dj0z · Mar 31, 2011

Some of the skins were made by myself, like the na'vi archer and the Avatar, but for the others you need to check out the credits and look for the ones you want to know about.
About the rocket trooper that is a model, but it goes the same way: check out the credits. Incase it isn't exactly clear who did who there, you should search in the models section of this website.

dragonade311 · Apr 4, 2011

Nice 1

StylezZ · Apr 22, 2011

I would sometimes play the avatars and the Na'vi. But I can not from my computer to go online.

dragonade311 · Apr 23, 2011

StylezZ said:
I would sometimes play the avatars and the Na'vi. But I can not from my computer to go online.

do you play Avatar too?

SasuhKun · Apr 24, 2011

I'm giving +rep. Cause you deserve it.

IllidanStormrange · May 3, 2011

look's Like fun

HKO2006 · May 27, 2011

there is a little mistake that Drone went into the ground
it;s info shows that it is a Cooperation Worker..

Anyway, this is a awesome map! Keep it UP! :thumbs_up:

Dj0z · Jun 4, 2011

HKO2006 said:
there is a little mistake that Drone went into the ground
it;s info shows that it is a Cooperation Worker..

Anyway, this is a awesome map! Keep it UP!

Since i'll be on holidays soon, map development will resume shortly

I'll check that out and fix that, as well as any other errors i may find.

I plan to continue and finish the map (version 1.0) reasonably fast soon as i have the free time. This doesn't necessarily mean that there will be no updates after version 1.0 .

Thank you!

HKO2006 · Jun 10, 2011

Wondering a new version of Avatar :grin:

Also wondering that what is 'Mantis Quattro'?
Is that means a mantis with four legs? :eekani:

Tleno · Jun 10, 2011

HKO2006 said:
Wondering a new version of Avatar

Also wondering that what is 'Mantis Quattro'?
Is that means a mantis with four legs?

I guess that's just a cool name.

HKO2006 · Jun 12, 2011

I found that both Shaman and Dryad's Na'vi term is Tsahìk :eekani:

Dj0z · Jun 14, 2011

tleno said:
I guess that's just a cool name.

Yup Mantis Quattro is a four-legged human vehicle, the fattest you can get. It uses the Prowler model from this site's models page.

About the new version, i've done some changes that should make the game easier and abit faster for everyone. I am still struggling to get my autohosting to work on this new computer though so i don't know when it will be playable.

Dj0z · Jun 27, 2011

As you may have noticed, Avatar v0.52b is out! Enjoy!
And let me know what you think of it, as usual.

Mgeterno11 · Jun 27, 2011

Hi Dj0z!
Your AVATAR map is excellent.

I played the RDA and the Avatar race, too, but i prefer the Avatar race. The avatar and the Toruk Macto models are cool, where did you get them?
The abilities, the terrain, models, multiboards and cinematics are nice and awesome, too. Where did you get the portrait of Neytiri (cinematic)?
Actually, AVATAR is my most favourite fim, i think it is yours favourite,too.
I suggest only one thing: make a Quaritch model, too (or a skin which has Quaritch's face only).
I rate that map 5/5 and keep it up. +rep.

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