[Spell] Serious problem with Raise Dead spell

[LordPerenolde II]

Why? Why? and i mean why??
I got enemy necros ready to raise dead with their spell already "auto-cast on", but they won't raise any corpse!
In order to test whenever i manage to solve this problem i place a necros in my army and use it by randomly killing one of my troops: IT DOES! The spell works normally and the skeleton is summoned, but the SAME necro owned by the enemy NEVER raises anything, even if i tell him to do it! WHY???
I'm out of ideas. How do i solve this?

 

[PublishedShadow]

~Raise Dead - Spammed at every cool down if nearby corpses are available; but only in combat

I found that here:
http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...ustom-spells-cast-melee-game-ai-units-193280/

 

[LordPerenolde II]

I think i already tried to spam via trigger, but didn't work anyway. I will check the map attached in the post you linked.
+ rep in the mean time.

 

[PublishedShadow]

Essentially, from what I understand from that link is, the AI will only cast it if they are in combat. So even ordering them via trigger may not work if they aren't in combat.

To test, try to put a neutral hostile unit and corpse near them and see if they will cast raise dead then.

On another note, you may could increase the range of the raise dead spell to see if that helps.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

You mean they must engage targets before being able to respond the trigger which tells them to spam cast?

 

[PublishedShadow]

Possibly, though I'm not sure. Theoretically they shouldn't have to engage targets if you are using a trigger, but who know what all is going in the background when it comes to the AI.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

I was thinking of one last thing to do: using a dummy flying friendly dead raising unit invulnerable, unselectable and with 0 scout radius, which follows the necro everywhere it goes and is ready to cast when unit nearby dies, making also the necro to play a cast-animation just to give the impression. This is weird as hell, i never expected to find this kind of bug.

 

[Shadow Fury]

I don't know how you got this problem. You can use this trigger to force the necromancer to use Raise Dead:

• Unit - Order Necromancer to Undead Necromancer - Raise Dead

This can be done like that:
Unit - Issue Order With No Target ---> Click on Stop ---> Select Undead Necromancer - Raise Dead

To enable the autocast, use this:

• Unit - Order Necromancer to Undead Necromancer - Activate Raise Dead

You can do in the same way as the function above.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

I don't know how you got this problem. You can use this trigger to force the necromancer to use Raise Dead:

• Unit - Order Necromancer to Undead Necromancer - Raise Dead

This can be done like that:
Unit - Issue Order With No Target ---> Click on Stop ---> Select Undead Necromancer - Raise Dead

To enable the autocast, use this:

• Unit - Order Necromancer to Undead Necromancer - Activate Raise Dead

You can do in the same way as the function above.

Both things i tried in the first place, unsuccessfully. Ok, failed as well with the dummy unit, now the only thing that's left for me to do is creating skeletons from corpses directly via triggers when a caster is within X range.

 

[PublishedShadow]

Question. Are you running melee initialization triggers?

 

[LordPerenolde II]

nope, everything is custom, from head down to shoes.
Oh sorry, by the way, i did it.
Each necro created by enemy was assigned to a distinct variable of unitgroup.
Whenever a unit dies i made a trigger so that the system checks if there is a necro in one of each variables AND if he's got at least the amount of mana required to cast raise dead.
If the conditions are satisfied, after 2 seconds the dying unit is replaced with a skeleton, using birth animation and raise dead special effect, just to give the impression, and the necro whose satisfied the conditions will lose the mana required.
If the necro assigned to his unitgroup dies then it gets cleared and replaced whenever a new one is trained.
It works perfectly. I guess is the only way i can do this, UNLESS someone may tell me how to create a condition which requires a unit(necros) to be in range of a dying unit(more credible in this case).

 

[Shadow Fury]

Easy. It's a real called Math - Distance Between Points. Through a real comparison, you check that the position of the necro to the distance of the dying unit is less than or equal to 600 (but of course by using point variables to remove location leaks).

 

[Tal'Rarity]

You could try using a damage detection engine with phoenix fire in a variety of ways to achieve this in a way that doesn't eat up as much memory. WC3 AI so weird, there's other methods too however most of them require a DDS.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Easy. It's a real called Math - Distance Between Points. Through a real comparison, you check that the position of the necro to the distance of the dying unit is less than or equal to 600 (but of course by using point variables to remove location leaks).

Thanks, i will try later(but veeeeery later) since now i have already copy'n pasted all triggers through my campaign. +rep to you for this precious hint.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Hey shadow, your system works fine, but it seems that the function, present in the trigger via if/then/else, ignores the main triggers' conditions, which were satisfied before i wrote that new function down. Editor bug? Any way to fix it? This really was gold, damn it.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Hey shadow, your system works fine, but it seems that the function, present in the trigger via if/then/else, ignores the main triggers' conditions, which were satisfied before i wrote that new function down. Editor bug? Any way to fix it? This really was gold, damn it.

The trigger conditions will always be evaluated before the actions. If they return false then the actions never even run. Hence if anything in the action block runs it means the trigger conditions must have returned true. As such what you are saying does not make any sense.

You can look at the resulting JASS code (which the GUI produces when you save) to see what happens more clearly.

Not all player slots have tactical AI for their abilities. Neutral Hostile has it on by default. Players only have it if they are set to computer (open or left does not count). I think Neutral Passive and other Neutral players do not run Tactical AI but I am unsure.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Thank you Dr for the answer. The reason i'm saying that is because regardless of the condition "triggering unit is undead equal to false", the function will still raise skeletons from dying skeletons.

EDIT: i now think why this is happening. Maybe "Or - Any conditions are true" as a condition overrides "triggering unit is undead equal to false", which is included in it? I shall try with "And - All conditions are true".

EDIT: I confirm now that everything just works F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C-L-Y! I'm so happy!!

 

[SAUS]

Thank you Dr for the answer. The reason i'm saying that is because regardless of the condition "triggering unit is undead equal to false", the function will still raise skeletons from dying skeletons.

EDIT: i now think why this is happening. Maybe "Or - Any conditions are true" as a condition overrides "triggering unit is undead equal to false", which is included in it? I shall try with "And - All conditions are true".

EDIT: I confirm now that everything just works F-A-N-T-A-S-T-I-C-L-Y! I'm so happy!!

Or - Any conditions are true

This means that all of them would have to be false in order for it to not pass. This means that the unit would have to be: Summoned, Undead, A structure, Mechanical - all at the same time - in order for the trigger to not run. You probably want that to be "And". The default is "And", so you can just take them out of the "Or" and it will work where the unit has to not be any of those classifications.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Or - Any conditions are true

This means that all of them would have to be false in order for it to not pass. This means that the unit would have to be: Summoned, Undead, A structure, Mechanical - all at the same time - in order for the trigger to not run. You probably want that to be "And". The default is "And", so you can just take them out of the "Or" and it will work where the unit has to not be any of those classifications.

That's what i said and did, in fact.

 

[SAUS]

Sorry, I was just trying to explain what was happening here:

Maybe "Or - Any conditions are true" as a condition overrides "triggering unit is undead equal to false"

It is not overriding "triggering unit is undead equal to false", it is just evaluating the condition differently than how you want it to. I was just trying to help make it clear why it didn't work.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

Sorry, I was just trying to explain what was happening here:
It is not overriding "triggering unit is undead equal to false", it is just evaluating the condition differently than how you want it to. I was just trying to help make it clear why it didn't work.

sure, but by the time you did i already managed to figure it out.

 

[SAUS]

I was more pointing out the reasoning It felt like you didn't understand what "Or - Any conditions are true" was doing. I don't know if that was the case. Not trying to be rude.

 

[LordPerenolde II]

I was more pointing out the reasoning It felt like you didn't understand what "Or - Any conditions are true" was doing. I don't know if that was the case. Not trying to be rude.

At all. No worries! Sometimes i just realize how clumsy i am when testing maps. lol