New Standardized Rule/Punishment System

Ghan_04 · Feb 1, 2009

Greetings, members of the Hive!

In an effort to address the growing problem of disproportionate punishments that have been causing problems lately, the staff has implemented a new system that we hope will encompass any and all rule breaking that may happen and specify a punishment for each rule that may be broken.

*Thanks to Rising_Dusk and zombie2279 for coming up with the idea of a table to standardize things.

1. The RED text is the length of the INFRACTION for the punishment.
2. The GREEN text is any additional action on the part of the moderator.

The punishment table with all of the possible problems and resolutions can be viewed here:

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/apps.php?p=pages&f=punishments

Thank you!

busterkomo · Feb 1, 2009

What exactly is meant by 2 x 6 months - Resource Rejected. Is it that it is either 6 or 12 months depending on the severity?

Eccho · Feb 1, 2009

YEah, finally something which could set everything in order here.

Although, in my own opinion some of them are too strict, but its not my decision to make.

bounty hunter2 · Feb 1, 2009

hvo-busterkomo said:
What exactly is meant by 2 x 6 months - Resource Rejected. Is it that it is either 6 or 12 months depending on the severity?

Why just not making it perm ban? It's not as if someone will actually return after 6 months of ban.

Other then that I find it rather strict, maybe a bit too much, but maybe what the Hive needs right now.

Ghan_04 · Feb 1, 2009

> What exactly is meant by 2 x 6 months - Resource Rejected.

I have edited the table to hopefully correct this confusion.

busterkomo · Feb 1, 2009

Ghan_04 said:
> What exactly is meant by 2 x 6 months - Resource Rejected.

I have edited the table to hopefully correct this confusion.

Thanks Ghan, that clears up my confusion.

TheDivineBoss · Feb 1, 2009

Some of the kids -and maybe me- are going to have a hard, hard, hárd time with this new punishment board.

Arvedui · Feb 1, 2009

Finally a good set of standards staff can follow.

I have a questions though. Will past punishments be gotten rid of now that there is a new system?

Like say someone did something wrong and got an infraction forever. But with this new "chart" there are time limits. Would that person with the infraction forever get their infraction removed after the time limit for that specific "wrong doing"? Or would that stay there forever?

I would doubt it gets removed, I'm just curious. Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere.

Xarwin · Feb 1, 2009

I hope that this will be used by moderators.

Thanks for posting, Ghan.

TheDivineBoss · Feb 1, 2009

Actually, now we got this new punishment board..

I see the rate of users already dropping.

Be sure to slowly use this board and not in a flash, or people will get confused and hurt.

Elenai · Feb 1, 2009

Be sure to slowly use this board and not in a flash, or people will get confused and hurt.

Hehe..or the users can 'not' give us a reason to even have to use the new system ^_^

~Void~ · Feb 1, 2009

Maybe increase the number of points required for a ban from 2 to 3.

Hakeem · Feb 1, 2009

Ghan_04 said:
In an effort to address the growing problem of disproportionate punishments that have been causing problems lately,

Not the best of motives, but helpful nonetheless.

I think it is nigh perfect as it stands. The exact intervals may need some fine tuning, but otherwise, it looks very good to me. This gives very good reason to having a 2-point-ban infraction system.

WILL THE ALMIGHTY · Feb 1, 2009

Nice iniative.

But I'd have liked to know about it before I got perma-banned. -.-

Vegavak · Feb 1, 2009

Posting of/Linking to PornographyPost(s)/Thread(s) Deleted

WHAT GREAT PUNISHMENTS.

Not only are most of them a bit too harsh on users, all of them are far too lax on the moderators! I'm sure you intend to make changes to it in the future though so maybe that makes it fair.

Elenai · Feb 1, 2009

moderators = users with a few permissions.

Softmints · Feb 1, 2009

The advertising of rep is disallowed?

I find that surprising; is the requests forum an exception? Rep is generally a reward for fulfilled requests there, and is often advertised.

Elenai · Feb 1, 2009

Well, saying "I'll rep you for providing a good service" is not the same as saying "I'll rep you, if you rep me." Or saying "rep me" in your signature, or etc.

Ghan_04 · Feb 1, 2009

> Will past punishments be gotten rid of now that there is a new system?

If we're notified, we'll be happy to adjust past infractions to fit the new system.

> Vegavak

I'm not really sure what you mean there....

> is the requests forum an exception?

Go with Elenai. He's got it right.

~Void~ · Feb 1, 2009

WILLTHEALMIGHTY said:
Nice iniative.

But I'd have liked to know about it before I got perma-banned. -.-

This came around after you were banned, and has nothing to do with chat. Please stop spamming.

Septimus · Feb 1, 2009

Giving Rep as Bribery

Ok, how do you know it was bribery ? How do you prove it ?
I mean, getting punish for given rep ? @_@

Ghan_04 · Feb 1, 2009

> Ok, how do you know it was bribery ?

If someone discovers that you gave someone rep in exchange for something like voting for you in a contest, that's what this would cover.

Rising_Dusk · Feb 1, 2009

How nice of you to make such a wonderful table, Ghan. Wish I had thought of it first.

Ghan_04 · Feb 1, 2009

> Wish I had thought of it first.

My apologies, Dusk.
I credited you in the staff thread, but forgot to in this one. I have now done so.

InfiniteSeven · Feb 1, 2009

By "Linking to websites that have the capacity to break rules", does that mean if the website that's been linked, breaks the rules here, its not allowed?

Syntic_Arrow · Feb 1, 2009

how is this going to be implemented on posts and adds that are against the mentioned rules, but are made before these new punishments were created? In other words: will the new punishment system also damage people that made mistakes before this new system was implemented or not?

yours sincerely,

Syntic

Linaze · Feb 1, 2009

I think I like this table. Makes it easier for the staff to give out appropriate punishments.

TheBlooddancer · Feb 1, 2009

How is spamming defined?

As it gives (is it 7 days of ban?).
I hope i won't get one of theese.

Pyritie · Feb 1, 2009

InfiniteSeven said:
By "Linking to websites that have the capacity to break rules", does that mean if the website that's been linked, breaks the rules here, its not allowed?

Yes. Like linking to a thread on 4chan with a a porn picture in it is not allowed. For example.

Vegavek said:
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WHAT GREAT PUNISHMENTS.

Not only are most of them a bit too harsh on users, all of them are far too lax on the moderators! I'm sure you intend to make changes to it in the future though so maybe that makes it fair.

Looks like this one's been fixed.

Syntic_Arrow said:
how is this going to be implemented on posts and adds that are against the mentioned rules, but are made before these new punishments were created? In other words: will the new punishment system also damage people that made mistakes before this new system was implemented or not?

Read:

Ghan_04 said:
If we're notified, we'll be happy to adjust past infractions to fit the new system.

What about -rep? Where does it come into play?

EDIT: Also, a suggestion. Since this means lots of bans will be going out all over the place, maybe we could add a little timer somewhere where people could see how long a user's ban lasts for, so they don't get too worried about it.

TheBlooddancer · Feb 1, 2009

Yea, i wondered too.

I think that a ban for a double post, or such, is pretty harsh. Especially if it wasn't of free will.
(Someone deleting a post before) or such.

Hakeem · Feb 1, 2009

One infraction point does not make a ban. You need at least 2.

Nudl9 · Feb 1, 2009

Oh god all these rules will just make the whole forum a "dont do that" place.

Eccho · Feb 1, 2009

Well that shows that the previous rules are ignored. Maybe now someone actually will care about them and think before they post.

Dr Super Good · Feb 1, 2009

The rules are easy to folow thou. People who do not follow them do not read them which is the problem.

Rising_Dusk · Feb 1, 2009

Whoa, I hadn't realized that negrep was completely removed from the table. Now everything's an infraction. This'll sure be interesting.

En_Fuego · Feb 1, 2009

Briliant!

Advertising the gaining of Rep in
anything on your account2 days - Advertisement Removed

But wait, so it's basically like everyone has rep disabled with the punishment? Why not just make it an option in User Options to disable rep then?

Eccho · Feb 1, 2009

No, the rep system is still here, but you may not advertise for it, like "Give me rep and I give you", or "Give me blabla..."

Septimus · Feb 1, 2009

If someone discovers that you gave someone rep in exchange for something like voting for you in a contest, that's what this would cover.

It gonna be hard to be prove.. :=/

En_Fuego · Feb 1, 2009

Eccho said:
No, the rep system is still here, but you may not advertise for it, like "Give me rep and I give you", or "Give me blabla..."

I'm not talking about that..What I'm saying, is when you have Reputation disabled, you no longer recieve negative rep. Everything is considered an infraction. My question is, with the new punishment system, everything is an infraction (or at least looks like that) anyway. So why don't we make it an option in the User CP to turn off Rep?

Zombie · Feb 1, 2009

It's all good and I hope it turns out well, however:

Ghan_04 said:
*Thanks to Rising_Dusk for coming up with the idea of a table to standardize things.

It was my idea. Rising was the one designing it.

En_Fuego · Feb 1, 2009

You weren't the only person who said we need rules and punishments. The admins said it themselves way before any normal user. So I really have a problem with you claiming credit for that. Especially when I brought it up also.

Zombie · Feb 1, 2009

Khm...http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/f97/united-punishment-system-114737/

Read the thread then reconsider your reply.

En_Fuego · Feb 1, 2009

Read it, not impressed.

Zombie · Feb 1, 2009

You failed to prove me wrong, so I will stick with my views. Since this thread is becoming our private conversation, I will stay away unless you can come up with a valid argument.

WILL THE ALMIGHTY · Feb 1, 2009

~Void~ said:
This came around after you were banned, and has nothing to do with chat. Please stop spamming.

Nice to know then.

All I have to say is this will only work if mods use it, which I don't see why they wouldn't. The thing is we're still (kinda) relying on judgement.

I suggest making the ban limit 3 infractions, as certain punishments are easily acquired and while they're certainly punishable, they can be quite harsh.

EDIT: Less professional opinion: This is a shitload of rules with incredibly harsh punishments. I have a feeling these could be abused and ultimately result in information control, reducing any sort of criticism to an instant infraction. This is just wrong.

EDIT2: We need a table for the chat too. Ralle just perma-banned me for saying a few lines with no offending message whatsoever. I don't want to bring my (stupid) problems to this thread, but the punishment is blown out of proportion. Why is it normal nowadays to perma-ban people from the for two lines of completely misunderstandable comments? What happened to one-day bans? One week? Seems like we can't even speak without having being punished.

Devine · Feb 1, 2009

Does this mean my friends in the staff can't protect me from punishments no more? D:

*pssst, ghan, whenever I get in trouble, you'll change the punishments for my crime in the table... right?*

Linaze · Feb 2, 2009

Of course he will, Devine.

Bartimaeus · Feb 2, 2009

Do these rules apply to staff members, as well?

Rising_Dusk · Feb 2, 2009

Yes, they do.

Bartimaeus · Feb 2, 2009

Rising_Dusk said:
Yes, they do.

So, if I spot ANY staff member, whether an administrator or a moderator, trolling, or flaming, or doing any wrongdoings, who would I report that to?

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