The Hive Workshop & Wikipedia

[brad.dude03]

Well, I can certainly help, if you would like that. I think a lot needs to be done about the early and even pre-merge history of the Hive. A large number of our members don't know anything about where the Hive came from, why it's here, hell some even think that the Hive was created only to pick up Wc3Sear.ch. This is obviously not true, and I think that a lot of work should go into the early days, dealing with the Hive's original establishment, the completion and popularity of WH40KTD, the subsequent growth, and then ultimately the merge.

I would be glad to cover the growth and pre-merge era's of the Hive, as that's where I ultimately come into play.

OFF TOPIC: On a side note, I'd like to warn everyone here to cut back on the spam. This has turned into a serious thread as the Admins have become involved, so lets all conduct ourselves professionally so that we can do this job the right way.

Teh Thanks.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

er.. i don't wanna be mean and all, i personally would think a hive workshop article would be cool, though bending the rules a bit, but this article sounds way too much like an advertisement.

This creative environment allows community members to develop their projects and resources in an atmosphere that is friendly, helpful and productive.

Especially this part. I would edit it, but I don't wanna do it without an admin's permission.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

Yes, too much kissing of own ass in there, it should be neutral not an advertisement.

 

[Kwaliti]

This creative environment allows community members to develop their projects and resources in an atmosphere that is friendly, helpful and productive.

This line HAS to go! Looks like advertisement, brrr, my stomach hurts when I see random ads.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

Just read the entire thing, it is okay so far but definetly needs some more info.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

"The Hiveworkshop A.K.A The Hive or THW evolved from several early forums dedicated to Warhammer 40K Tower Defense (WH40KTD) which was made by Ralle, who is the current owner and proprietor of the hive, and his then mapping partner Bloodletter0947. The hive first opened officially on the 5th of January 2005 and has remained active since."

then there should be stuff about wc3search...

i kept it brief but i could add more if u wanted.

at the end of the history bit something like:

"Since the merging with wc3sear.ch, the hive has taken on a new role by having the largest warcraft III resource available on the internet (if this is true), as well as supporting up and coming map makers in an ever increasing community."

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[ragingspeedhorn]

Saying you have the best, have the most etc. is not a good thing as you never know if it's true, some other languaged website might be bigger, have more stuff and so on.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

well i meant the brackets as in could someone tell me so i coul include it or remove it...obviously that doesnt need to be included in the wiki i was under the assumption that it is the largest resource, but if it isnt then could someone please say.

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

The thing is, you don't know if it is and searching google does not always give you the answer, if something should be said about our resource database then it could be said that we have the largest resource database among English sites.

 

[Herio-san]

Likewise, the wiki article is still under heavy construction by Admins Wolverabid and Samuraid. I know they have encountered some difficulties with the wiki rules due to harsh regulations regarding image uploading and website wiki's. I would highly suggest letting them get everything set up in an orderly fashion and then adding to that. Almost like creating a wiki template if you will - starting off general then adding in details.

 

[Kwaliti]

Oh, dear, we got NPOV Dispute (neutrality dispute)

 

[GST_Nemisis]

well Herio-san is right, the thing is its being worked on and it shouldnt even be open for the minute but it is...dont worry about it because its not done and to start critisiing something that was written just because we had to inst really fair.

whatever is on there now is gunna change to dont worry about anything.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

to start critisiing something that was written just because we had to inst really fair.

If my freehand translation of what you said into english is correct, then that is a rather funny phrase. If you don't want constructive criticism in something's development, how do you expect it to change?

 

[Samuraid]

I marked it as NPOV earlier today, but I was at work and didn't have time to update it.

I'll get going on that right now.

EDIT:

It's all done now, and we even get a nice site box and a screenshot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hive_Workshop

 

[panther-anthro]

Hmm yes a hive Wiki is indeed a good idea. Maybe we could even post our current hosted projects in there etc?

 

[ragingspeedhorn]

Hmm yes a hive Wiki is indeed a good idea. Maybe we could even post our current hosted projects in there etc?

Posting hosted projects is not a good idea, this is something that is supposed to inform, not mass advertise. There is no need to post our current projects.

 

[Kwaliti]

Hmmmm, looks sweet! Gonna add a "See also" if ya dont mind.

 

[GST_Nemisis]

If my freehand translation of what you said into english is correct

sorry my english isnt good enough for you, why dont you just ignor it next time instead of picking at one of my faults. we all have faults, u think im happy about it?

If you don't want constructive criticism in something's development, how do you expect it to change?

it not finished, it shouldnt have even been started. what im trying to say is the space was there and it had to be filled with something and you should be aware it wasnt going to be fantastic stuff. if you want to criticise it, wait until it is finished or at least until the people working on it have had the time do make something of it.

 

[Samuraid]

Hmmmm, looks sweet! Gonna add a "See also" if ya dont mind.

Good idea.

I just cleaned up the links a bit, since the "See Also" section works so nicely.

Also, someone put a "(Not a 3D Render)" block of text in part of the article, which I had to remove. Such text is not befitting an encyclopedia article and isn't very professional.

I humbly ask that everyone use The Talk Page to discuss problems or changes before going ahead and changing things.

Thanks.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

sorry my english isnt good enough for you, why dont you just ignor it next time instead of picking at one of my faults. we all have faults, u think im happy about it?

I apoligize for making you take so much offense into teasing your many spelling mistakes in the previous post. Happy?

it not finished, it shouldnt have even been started. what im trying to say is the space was there and it had to be filled with something and you should be aware it wasnt going to be fantastic stuff. if you want to criticise it, wait until it is finished or at least until the people working on it have had the time do make something of it.

well, it did start, and i was aware it wasn't going to be godly. You don't wait until a car is finished, and then say "those seats are placed wrong". If something isn't perfect, you point out what's wrong with it, and you get things done. Having something finished is a series of improvements you make. You don't just say "let's just hope the higher-ups notice it so i won't have to do anything about it". You criticize, and that is how things get better. If you don't get it, just take it to Medivh's tower or PM me. Either place is a better area to discuss the meaning of constructive criticism.

 

[Kwaliti]

well, it did start, and i was aware it wasn't going to be godly. You don't wait until a car is finished, and then say "those seats are placed wrong". If something isn't perfect, you point out what's wrong with it, and you get things done. Having something finished is a series of improvements you make. You don't just say "let's just hope the higher-ups notice it so i won't have to do anything about it". You criticize, and that is how things get better. If you don't get it, just take it to Medivh's tower or PM me. Either place is a better area to discuss the meaning of constructive criticism.

Pwned

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, just like your rep count, noob, so I wouldn't talk.

This thread is for the Hive's Wikipedia article. I would urge users to stay on topic and use this thread as little as possible for discussion, as this is mainly admin business now.

 

[Kwaliti]

Yeah, just like your rep count, noob, so I wouldn't talk.

Yo, if it wasn't for me, you would NEVER get the Wiki idea, probably in a year or two, and let's end the flaming, losing rep is bad for my stomach. And didn't I apologize for creating it? I may have made a mistake for "pwned" comment and I apologize! I lost rep for creating the article, and I got rep (three or four times, I guess) for the idea, and now you are just waiting for me to lose my temper and eventualy go nuts, so you can take my rep out, or ban me, but forget it, you may flame me, insult me, ban me, and do practically anything, I'll just ignore that as if you were just silent and you did nothing, like it was just wind that blew into my face.

And if ya like to ban people, then ban me! I don't care! I gave a nice idea, and I accidentaly made the article, 'cus nobody said we shouldn't make it now (my fingers were faster than my mind, I admit), and everyone goes angry on me (well, not everyone)! Nobody is perfect! Everyone can make mistakes! What makes you so perfect so you can push the non-mod guys? Why don't you pick on Ralle (no offense, Ralle)? If ya hate newcomers, then hate us, WE DON'T CARE, go live in your own world, where you are the boss of it! Just because you're a mod on this site, it doesn't mean that I'm an inferior being! I just wanted to be a part of the community, and all I got is flaming! And if I EVER did something wrong to you, no, to everyone on this site, I hereby apologize for every bad thing I've ever done to you! This discussion is over!

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The article looks good by now, hmm, we could add the site's history, as it's the only thing missing. As someone said, we could use VGsatomi's help about wc3sear.ch history. I think that with some additions, we can make the article awesome! And we could also use some references, so we can make it as neutral as possible.

 

[brad.dude03]

I never stated that you shouldn't recieve credit for you idea. What I did state is that you shouldn't be supporting certain other users giving certain Veteran users shit, as you are in no position to yourself.

End of story. Any further posts about this will be reported.

I will remind you all AGAIN, that this thread is NOT for petty squables, its for the Article, and the admins, mainly.

"Admin business, go back to your drinks."

 

[Kwaliti]

Dammit, can't find any references that we can cite! Oh, well, guess we can live without references anyway, but without them, the article would lean off neutrality.

 

[brad.dude03]

You could use articles from the Hive itself to cite... we must have some around here....

 

[Kwaliti]

Euh, judging by the current content of the article, we don't need citations, maybe when we add history of the site.

 

[Mecheon]

... How DID I miss this topic?

Anywho, it'll be deleted in a week, nothing no one can do about it, etc. etc. Wikipedia is run by jerks, you all know the drill. Just don't put too much time and effort into it because it's inevitable

I even know EXACTLY what points they'll delete it on. Points which, by the way, Search could have NARROWLY gotten past due to the few publications Darky advertised RotD in, but I don't remember the Hive doing anything along those lines so it's as good as gone

So yes, it'll be deleted. Save the page while you can cause Wikipedia administrators are merciless bastards who make me look pleasant

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

... How DID I miss this topic?

Anywho, it'll be deleted in a week, nothing no one can do about it, etc. etc. Wikipedia is run by jerks, you all know the drill. Just don't put too much time and effort into it because it's inevitable

I even know EXACTLY what points they'll delete it on. Points which, by the way, Search could have NARROWLY gotten past due to the few publications Darky advertised RotD in, but I don't remember the Hive doing anything along those lines so it's as good as gone

So yes, it'll be deleted. Save the page while you can cause Wikipedia administrators are merciless bastards who make me look pleasant

Well, it's obviously against the rules, so it will be deleted for lack of notability. At least that's what I can foresee. If deleted for something else, Mecheon will be right with his story of

Wikipedia is run by jerks

 

[Samuraid]

At this point, things seem to be generic enough to not need references.

 

[Kwaliti]

Anyway, if Wiki fails, we still have the Urban Dictionary Hmmmm, what if the article stays where it is..... Hmmmm, questions, questions.....

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

Anyway, if Wiki fails, we still have the Urban Dictionary Hmmmm, what if the article stays where it is..... Hmmmm, questions, questions.....

Stop with urban dictionary already. Its made to laugh at stuff, not show real details.

And no Uncyclopedia either.

 

[brad.dude03]

But why not when the website has such gems as:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Kill_Yourself_With_A_Brick and http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Communism

Brilliance. We should be honoured to have an article among such famous things.

 

[WILL THE ALMIGHTY]

But why not when the website has such gems as:
http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/HowTo:Kill_Yourself_With_A_Brick and http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Communism

Brilliance. We should be honoured to have an article among such famous things.

I knew Uncyclopedia was funny, but not THAT much.

Hilarious.

Abit like this one. Or this one

 

[Kwaliti]

Guess what? THE ARTICLE STILL STANDS!

 

[Blackcat]

I don't think they will delete it soon,it is a good article it's a little bit against the rules, but Wikipedia won't die of it.

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

Why is it against the rules of Wiki?

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

Why is it against the rules of Wiki?

where the hell were you for the first few pages of this thread?

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

I read through this thread as comprehensively as I could in 5 minutes. I still don't see any valid points on why it would be deleted.

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

I read through this thread as comprehensively as I could in 5 minutes. I still don't see any valid points on why it would be deleted.

well, apparently, 5 minutes isn't enough, especially seeing as the rules debate dragged through all of the first and second page.. really, how do you not see it?

Rules

Internet

• Communities, message boards and blogs are generally not notable

Well I guess that kinda settles it, unless the hive would fit in under the different wc3 articles and general game modding articles there is.

woohoo! i'm right! cookie celebration!

 

[1)ark_NiTe]

No reason to be a dick about it, Myspace. Relax. Your rules link doesn't work for me either.

 

[Kwaliti]

Goodbye article, it's pending deletion.

 

[Mecheon]

Goodbye article, it's pending deletion.

Toldya it'd be deleted

 

[Kwaliti]

Completely true

Mecheon is right, everyone else is wrong. End of story

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

No reason to be a dick about it, Myspace. Relax. Your rules link doesn't work for me either.

Augh! Complaints about my behavior! My one weakness!

 

[KaboomMaster]

warning off-topic relating to topic

zomg lol when i searched it it said do you mean 'nid hive fleets LOL

and i couldnt find it :/

(please dont shoot me)

Edit: o lol i didnt see the thing u said bout pending deleation but apparently 'nids are cooler than us

 

[MySpaceBarBroke]

article gone. me somewhat unsurprised. mods ass. lostsword evil.

 

[Samuraid]

It has been gone for a while now. It seems like a website needs much notoriety before Wikipedia will allow an article about the site to remain posted. Hive is well-know among the Warcraft 3 modding community, but not as well know to the population in general. (The same goes for most of the Warcraft 3 sites on the 'net.)

 

[Ralle]

There might always be a spot on the urban dictionary for us. It's seen before.

 

[brad.dude03]

Yeah, 'tis true we could always try Urban Dictionary. But we aren't nearly as popular as a place like Something Awful in order to get a Wikipedia article.

PS I love your old avatar Ralle, brings back many memories