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Old 08-23-2008, 06:35 PM   #31 (permalink)

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Updating the map??

Why dont you just save another copy?
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Old 08-24-2008, 10:20 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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Updating the map??

Why dont you just save another copy?
You have no idea of what I am talking of, and I have no intention of enlightening you, since that would weaken the effectiveness of it even further.
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Old 08-26-2008, 02:07 AM   #33 (permalink)
 
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It's a bitch to set up correctly and subtly...

Nevertheless, open source for the win. If you're protecting your map to prevent noobs from stealing it, that just means your map isn't great enough for people to notice that it's not an official version. And if the fake version becomes more popular than the legit version, that just means the stealer is doing a better job at this then you.

So basically: work harder; stop whining.
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Old 08-26-2008, 12:50 PM   #34 (permalink)

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Only problem: It's different for some sorts of ORPG maps...
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:27 PM   #35 (permalink)
 
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It's not hard to cheat in ORPG's.

It's also not hard to deter cheaters in ORPG's.

Just obfusicate your code.
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Old 08-26-2008, 04:30 PM   #36 (permalink)
 
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It makes pros edit and call it theirs.

Basically Map protection it always circumventable, if you have enough time.
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:15 AM   #37 (permalink)
 
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True but Sometimes there is a con;

Pros for me
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I can edit a map, To help whats wrong, like a lagg or a Glitch, invisible wall,etc.

I have no idea to make a Bnet account so, I help clean up bugs in local.

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Most of the maps I enjoy sometimes have Anti-Cheat like if I put "Iseedeadpeople" it crashes
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Old 08-27-2008, 12:19 AM   #38 (permalink)
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It's not hard to cheat in ORPG's.

It's also not hard to deter cheaters in ORPG's.

Just obfusicate your code.
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Old 08-27-2008, 03:40 PM   #39 (permalink)
 
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I spent 2 hours to access war3map.j of Defiances open rpg but failed
so I think war3mapoptimizer rokcs
and about cheats someone may saw it when admin or one of his friends typing it
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Old 08-27-2008, 04:46 PM   #40 (permalink)
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The fact is that no map protection is truly safe as long as WC3 can run the map (as as long as it can those data files, it can be edited). The best most users can do is WC3 map optimizer by vexorian as it truly mangles everything beyong understanding if you are a "noob".

However for better defences where there are triggers that detect change, only really smart people can make them, in which case equally smart people can remove them.
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Old 08-29-2008, 08:54 PM   #41 (permalink)
 
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Basically just rephrasing what Dr Super Good said;

(Oh and this is after A LOT of research)

ALL maps can be unprotected, no matter WHAT you do to it.
Basically, as long as your game can run the map, then it can be opened with mpq editors and changed/cheated/hacked.

The things you CAN do are pretty simple;
A great solution just like Dr SG said was WC3 Map optimizer by Vex, it's the perfect solution for anti-noob hacking, it even obsuficates your code for you.

However, if you want to go deeper, you need to know JASS, and there are multiple ways of coding in ways to make it really hard to open/read for the hacker, eg: instead of using a -gold string, you do something like "-" + "g" + "o" + "l" + "d", which when looked at by the hacker, makes it harder to read, but that's not map protection, it just makes it a little harder.

Anyway, if whoever wants, PM me, and I'll send you a great site that I learned A LOT from, so feel free.
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Old 08-29-2008, 10:36 PM   #42 (permalink)
 
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Optimization is by far and away the best way to protect your map. My friend wanted me to help him find some code in DotA (he deprotected it), but it was so mangled up with the dumbest function and variable names, nobody could ever find his stupid function. 20,000 lines of code all mangled up... Sound fun?
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Still does not stop JASS pros.
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Yeah, and nothing will... but I suppose we could give tips and stuff on to HOW to protect it the best with JASS, although that defeats the purpose cause the "jass pros" go on these sites specifically to learn about how people are protecting, so they can deprotect easier... lol..

All I have to say is that what I did, I said "The only true official version should be xxx,xxx bytes big if you want to check, and you can get it officially at hiveworkshop.com and must be uploaded by TheGloomfrost",
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Okay, I've changed my mind.

Protect your maps all you want from noobs, but I will hate you if you obfuscate your code from my learning eyes.

Most people that know JASS know how to deprotect anything, so obfuscating your code is saying "Fuck you." to other modders.
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