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Old 10-01-2008, 08:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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The map rules aren't at fault, we'd drafted them up to a tea. What we need to address, though, is the way they're moderated.

Do we set the status to 'approved' automatically, but give it a distinction if it passes a moderator review?

Do we remove the delete button because 'people re-upload their map' (without putting too much personal spin onto it, I'm strongly, strongly against this)?

Do we include the users more in Moderation? An example I used a while back is this:

5 User reviews = Approved
2 Minimod reviews = Approved
1 Mod review = Approved

And obviously this can be used in conjunction with point number one, with a tiny bit of tweaking.
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Old 10-01-2008, 10:02 PM   #32 (permalink)
 
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1 Mod review = Approved
I agree with this :)
However, many maps won't get 5 User reviews :/
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Old 10-02-2008, 08:20 AM   #33 (permalink)
 
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And who'd be keeping record of those user reviews, searching through the comment spam? ;P
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Old 10-02-2008, 08:49 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Remove the option for a comment a map saying 'LOL DIS IS GD I PLY IT ON BNET WIF MAYTEZ'. /Shrug.
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Why? The authors might like getting comments saying their map is good without it nescesarily being a throrough review. It is a comment system after all.
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Old 10-02-2008, 09:52 AM   #36 (permalink)
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In that case, give the users a system like the minimods have.
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It's not that difficult to see what is spam and what is a review...

OR, why not just have a little option available next to the map rating where they have to select one of 3 options:
- Requires Approval
- Requires Improving
- Requires Rejecting

The statistics of the vote would show what options had been selected and the mod can simply decide which option would be best to take.

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Old 10-02-2008, 10:57 AM   #38 (permalink)
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In that case, give the users a system like the minimods have.
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It's not that difficult to see what is spam and what is a review...

OR, why not just have a little option available next to the map rating where they have to select one of 3 options:
- Requires Approval
- Requires Improving
- Requires Rejecting

The statistics of the vote would show what options had been selected and the mod can simply decide which option would be best to take.
One in the same thing, really. But I think if we're providing them with an option of that -- as opposed to a separate box -- then we should at least add into the rules saying 'you can only vote for approval/improving/rejecting if you provide a review with your comment'.
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Old 10-02-2008, 04:16 PM   #39 (permalink)

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One in the same thing, really. But I think if we're providing them with an option of that -- as opposed to a separate box -- then we should at least add into the rules saying 'you can only vote for approval/improving/rejecting if you provide a review with your comment'.
How about add a button named "Write a review", which allows users to write a "formal" review and rate the map.

Reviews and comments would be separated. Reviews can only be written once(but can be updated) per user. Reviews need to actually contain a review, if it doesn't, it could have a "report" button for mod delete.

Anyway, the review system would make it very easy to organize the review.

It'd have a "Pros:", "Cons/Bugs:", "Main Review", and "Suggestions for Improvements:" "text block" which would make things easier for organization.

Users would still be able to rate the map from 1-5 if they simply post a comment(no review needed).

However, users who reviewed the map can also "rate if the map works" from a scale of 1-5, this is not the same thing as regular map ratings, it's just a rating to from 1-5 to see if the map works or not.

5 means the map is working as intended, no bugs, no flaws, etc.
3-4 means the map might have some bugs.
1-2 means the map has a lot of bugs and flaws and it needs to be fixed quickly.

If a map has at least 3 reviews, and the map has an average "map working" rating of at least 3(after 3 reviews), the map automatically gets approved BUT however, the map can get "deapproved" if the "map working rating" drops from 3.

Also, only users with 10 posts, and users who registered and joined the site for at least a month can write reviews for maps.

To recap:

1. There should be a "Write a review" button for maps, for users to write a review.
2. The review should make it easy for users to organize their reviews, it should have a "Pros", "Cons/Bugs", "Map Review", and "Suggestions for Improvements" textbox, allowing users to easily organize their reviews.
3. There are two ratings for each and every map, the "regular map rating", and the "if the map works rating".

"Regular Map Rating" - This means how much the user enjoyed the map or likes the map. Users can rate the map simply by posting a comment, no review needed.

"If the map works Rating" - This is a rating from 1-5 to check if the map is "working as intended".
5 means the map is working as intended, no bugs, no flaws, etc.
3-4 means the map might have some bugs.
1-2 means the map has a lot of bugs and flaws and it needs to be fixed quickly.

Only users who "formally reviewed" the map can rate in the "If the map works Rating".

4. If a map has at least 3 reviews, and at least a rating of 3+ on the "If the map works rating", the map automatically gets approved, however the map can get "disapproved" if the "If the map works rating" drops from 3.
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I do not think it is necessary, a user could have just send the link of their review to map moderator. If the information are accurate and honest, it would be approve. That is what I did when I was still a user.
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How about add a button named "Write a review", which allows users to write a "formal" review and rate the map. ...

... If a map has at least 3 reviews, and at least a rating of 3+ on the "If the map works rating", the map automatically gets approved, however the map can get "disapproved" if the "If the map works rating" drops from 3.
That's exactly what I said, just a lot more long winded :P

Basically, user reviews should be in the region of 5ish people, simply due to the fact that -- and no, I'm not saying this is representative of the majority of the hive -- a canny few people are complete and utter fucktards.

If they write a review, it should appear in the same region as comments, but if the map is viewed by a moderator then he should be able to see a sign saying 'X user reviews for approval', same goes for rejection and the same goes for improve.

I'll go into more detail about the rejection and improve when we all agree that this is a good system, though.

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I do not think it is necessary, a user could have just send the link of their review to map moderator. If the information are accurate and honest, it would be approve. That is what I did when I was still a user.
We can't do that because it'd be insanely hard. A moderator would receive at least 5 reviews for one map, whilst receiving a heck of a lot more for ever other map that needs approval.
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Old 10-02-2008, 05:40 PM   #42 (permalink)

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They only reason it is the only possible outcome is because mods don't take the time to actually review maps.

You get crap things like this and that.

If we adopt a wc3sear.ch styled outlook on maps, then when mods actually do review things I don't want to see any of the crap we currently have.
I agree the should be somekind of requirements, when posting spells/maps. It should atleast give decent amount of information on the map. Dunno what else.
Maybe normal people should be allowed to rate maps too for +rep (atleast giving +rep for that would be more meaningfull than random repping)
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Read the rest of the thread, kewlthis... D:
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Old 10-02-2008, 07:03 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I'm on a break for a month, and I'm overseeing all the threads I went in before I sod off.

I could go sooner, if you'd like?
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Nice edit in ;)

You should've read my original post, but it was censored down.

Anyway, the way to stop things like that is by saying something like 'this space is for critique only, do not write anything but your review in here', and if the need arises, add something in about negrep for abuse.
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