Solutions to Map Reviewing Issue

1) THW's system looks retarded if not all maps are reviewed, due to the rediculous build up.

2) The number of maps to be reviewed is massive, requiring a large number of mods.

3) The number of high enough quality map reviewers is not that big.

4) Getting in low quality reviewers defeats the point, is not effective at useful feedback (may even give worse than no feedback - bad feedback), and massively reduces confidence in ratings.

5) Good feedback normally means you have to tell people their map is shit.

I'm not going to provide a solution. Why? Because I don't want to lead THW, I don't want to set policy on THW, and I damned well don't want to turn THW in WC3C. Diversity is a good thing.

I put it forward, however, that reviewing ever map properly, or even with anything approaching properly, is not possible.

Please think before posting, and consider that I am possibly the most experienced map reviewer in WC3 modding - I know how to review, and I know how to give the feedback people *need* to hear, rather than what they want to hear, and that is what I'm doing it. You may not like it, but we need to deal with reality.

Ralle has been talking of outsourcing map moderation to the crowd. I tend to agree with him.

The problem to some extent lies in the enormous amount of uploaded maps, whereof 90% are no where near acceptable, and yet need to be tested, therefore I suppose the map moderators can easily get tired of what they're doing. That, plus some moderators don't enjoy to test every genre, making it even worse.

Wc3sear.ch's no-testing-needed worked fine. If a map is crap it'll end up reported anyway and then get removed since. For a site that accepts mostly anything I don't see the need for testing before approval, just test the stuff that people report as crap.

Originally Posted by ragingspeedhorn

Wc3sear.ch's no-testing-needed worked fine. If a map is crap it'll end up reported anyway and then get removed since. For a site that accepts mostly anything I don't see the need for testing before approval, just test the stuff that people report as crap.

Unfortunately it's true, despite almost how bad a map is, the map moderators of THW test it, write two sentences and approve it. Accept all should work almost the same.

im slightly drunk at the moment, so i'll sav e a serious reply for later.

imo map reviewing here is little to none existant. points arent reviews, and the cohorts of idiots arent mod-worthy.

it needs [another] rejingle, im afraid.

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what a map mod does besides make sure the map has the proper permission to be uploaded, write a review, and give it a rating.

• If a map is discovered to be here without proper permission, then it can be removed.
• Even with moderators, it is infeasible for every map to get a proper review. Not saying we should stop reviewing all maps, because when a really good map comes along, a review and Director's cut would be nice.
• I never cared for ratings because I often don't agree. I'm not saying we should remove the rating system, or the moderator rating, because there are (I assume) people who "care" about that. User votes wont be far behind an unrated map.

So yeah, what they said.

What is the point of this topic? We know the situation and all these philosophies.

The Map Moderators spend a lot of time playing the Maps and planning the way they're going to say things.
Maps here don't 'need' a review. I don't mind if they pile up again. I prefer that over low-quality reviews.

Originally Posted by Ash

(...) points arent reviews (...)

Points or written texts are the same. They both tell you what to improve and what's fine. This is most likely an attempt to turn an empty thread into a discussion of what is and what is not a review. If that is so, I will not reply. We've gone over this already -- you have your review style, I have mine. Period.

Back to the point of the thread, I think that a wc3sear.ch style system is becoming more and more feasible.

Originally Posted by Rui

you have your review style, I have mine. Period.

Calling your 'review' a 'style' just made me nearly fall off my chair lolling. The best point of this thread so far is as follows:

Originally Posted by PurplePoot

Back to the point of the thread, I think that a wc3sear.ch style system is becoming more and more feasible.

Well both me an raging said it before. As it looks now, the wc3sear.ch system is soon the only possible outcome.

They only reason it is the only possible outcome is because mods don't take the time to actually review maps.

You get crap things like this and that.

If we adopt a wc3sear.ch styled outlook on maps, then when mods actually do review things I don't want to see any of the crap we currently have.

Originally Posted by Ash

They only reason it is the only possible outcome is because mods don't take the time to actually review maps.

You get crap things like this and that.

If we adopt a wc3sear.ch styled outlook on maps, then when mods actually do review things I don't want to see any of the crap we currently have.

Wait, are you calling my map crap or the moderation. Cause I put lots of time into that, and to create a detailed story in that. Now the moderation itself wasnt helpful, so I would give you credit for a good judgement.

~Asomath

P.S. Both you and Septimus give thorough reviews most of the time, which includes both good and bad reccomendations to the map. So, I didnt see a problem in the second example.

Originally Posted by Asomath

Wait, are you calling my map crap or the moderation. Cause I put lots of time into that, and to create a detailed story in that. Now the moderation itself wasnt helpful, so I would give you credit for a good judgement.

~Asomath

P.S. Both you and Septimus give thorough reviews most of the time, which includes both good and bad reccomendations to the map. So, I didnt see a problem in the second example.

The critique, if you want to call it that.

Originally Posted by Ash

They only reason it is the only possible outcome is because mods don't take the time to actually review maps.

You get crap things like this and that.

If we adopt a wc3sear.ch styled outlook on maps, then when mods actually do review things I don't want to see any of the crap we currently have.

You have to consider that it's VERY hard and that it takes ALOT of time to moderate a map properly, Also I have given some solutions to reduce strain for moderators to increase the quality on the hive.
You can find those in the other tread called; Mod Suggestion

We have come with a good idea (in most peoples few) to remove the delete option and make people upload only finished maps, not alpha's or beta's that need testing.

~ Airandius