Moderators need to answer to someone

Originally Posted by En_Fuego

Moderators are chosen because they are good at making decisions when it comes down to "what's right and what's wrong?". If they make a decision, generally they're right.

Also, I wouldn't call this a dictatorship, it's more of a Republic than anything. Just because we don't necessarily elect the "officials" doesn't mean that we don't agree with who is chosen.

Honestly, if you have a problem with the moderators, you should just leave. It won't get you anywhere to argue with them.

I partially disagree. If you can prove to me that you are right and he is wrong, you will get somewhere..

Originally Posted by Maedh

WE NEED A NEW MOD. ONE THAT MODERATES THE MODERATORS.

Hi. I've been Rule Enforcer for a few weeks now. And I've been coming down on other moderators doing stuff against the rules for nearly as long

You guys already have a mod who moderates the moderators and makes sure that they do stuff properly or else face my wrath. It ain't my only job on the website, but hell, its one that I do anyway

The fact that that position is even necessary speaks magnitude to the quality of the staff as a whole. Eliminate the problem moderators and eliminate the position you have, I say. Then you can be given some position where you're something actually beneficial to WC3 modding and you're not tasked with wasting effort and time in dealing with insubordinates. Wouldn't that be a novel idea?

Originally Posted by Rising_Dusk

The fact that that position is even necessary speaks magnitude to the quality of the staff as a whole

But it isn't necessary. That's why I'm the Rule Enforcer, not the Making Sure Mods Don't Do Their Jobs Wrong Guy

They do their job fine. Its when they don't do their job fine that we have a bit of a kerfuffle

Originally Posted by Mecheon

But it isn't necessary.

Then why does it exist?

Originally Posted by Mecheon

They do their job fine. Its when they don't do their job fine that we have a bit of a kerfuffle

Isn't that what makes it necessary, though?

Originally Posted by Rising_Dusk

Then why does it exist?

It exists when it needs to and at no other time. So basically whenever I yell at people to get them to be more in line

Isn't that what makes it necessary, though?

Not really, because it doesn't exist any more, and won't unless someone slips up again

I think what mecheon is saying is that it's not necessary to have one person whose only job is to stop moderators from doing a shitty job, but it is needed sometimes, so it's incorporated into mecheon's list of jobs as Rule Enforcer.

Originally Posted by Ralle

I partially disagree. If you can prove to me that you are right and he is wrong, you will get somewhere..

True, but that's also a flawed statement, because moderators generally know right from wrong. Even if they make a mistake (which I'm sure they do) they are usally small mistakes. That's the nature of being a moderator. Unless of course you pick shitty moderators.

It's easier to misjudge a situation than you'd think.

Originally Posted by Mecheon

It exists when it needs to and at no other time. So basically whenever I yell at people to get them to be more in line

Which brings me back to the question of why you have that title in the first place as opposed to something more productive. Your job should be blatantly obvious at a glance from the staff title, and right now it screams "I enforce rules." Am I wrong? No, you even said it yourself, but as long as you've got that title it definitely exists. No dice on the "it exists when it needs to" argument unless your title only exists "when it needs to." :)

I suppose it's a technicality, but I don't see why you couldn't have a more representative title if you only do what it says "when it needs to be done."

Rules extend farther than mods.

And it should be all mods' and admins' jobs to enforce them.

Originally Posted by Rising_Dusk

And it should be all mods' and admins' jobs to enforce them.

If a normal user forgets their responsibility and breaks a rule, it's the moderators' job to make sure they don't do it again. If a moderator forgets their responsibility and breaks a rule, it's the admins' job to make sure that they don't do it again. If an admin forgets their responsibility and breaks a rule, it's Ralle's job to make sure they don't do it again. If Ralle breaks a rule, well then we all just have to live with it

I think it's more cyclic than that, really. If an admin forgets their responsibility and breaks a rule, it's the users' jobs to bring it up and make them remember or resign, whichever the admin would prefer doing. Where do you think all of these topics about admin effectiveness and stuff stem from? A public discontent with the staffing, of course.

Regardless of all of these wonderful epiphanies, my previous post still stands. If Mecheon stands as an interface between admin and users, then he should be the Community Director. If he stands as an interface between admins and mods, then the other admins need a serious asskicking. If his staff position exists solely as a global moderator and general badass, then he should be the Staff Director. It's the distinction therein that I am strongly inclined to support here above all else.

Nonono Dusk, you got it all wrong! If you do not like a person from the staff of the site, you must "gtfo", the mods can only be wrong if the admins say so and the admins can never be wrong. Pointing out flaws is not an option.