Moderators need to answer to someone

Please Mods. DO NOT MOVE THIS TO THE ADMIN CONTACT SECTION.

I already have a post in their, and only ONE mod has decided to actually help me, and adress my concerns, that was Mechman. Id like to thank him for that.

Recently I had several of my posts deleated, and several other people have had their posts deleated. As far as I know they were all on topic posts (except for one, which was me tryint to ask why my post was deleated).

Apparently the reason the post was deleated, was because the mod did not feel people would want to read what I wrote?

What right do mods have to censor what people can and cant read?

When I asked these questions, my post was moved into the private Admin contact.

WHY THE PRIVACY?

If the mods feel they are doing the right thing, why do you move our concers behind closed doors?

WE NEED A NEW MOD. ONE THAT MODERATES THE MODERATORS.

One that actually holds the moderators accountable, and makes them respond back.

Firstly, -.-'

Secondly,

Originally Posted by Maedh

What right do mods have to censor what people can and cant read?

This is a dictatorship.

Originally Posted by Maedh

WHY THE PRIVACY?

Not to cause shitstorms.

Thirdly,

Originally Posted by Maedh

WE NEED A NEW MOD. ONE THAT MODERATES THE MODERATORS.

We already have them. They're called 'directors'. You can contact them via PM or admin contact.

Finally,
this thread fails. Watch it get closed.

Moderators don't have to justify their actions to users. They only answer to their superiors, the admins. They do whatever they think it's right and don't need your opinion on it. You either live with this or go away. There's no such thing as democracy on a forum and it should never be. It's a sort of police state, and I think it's the right way.

Usually it's the admins that do things like that :p

If it really matters that much to you, you should take it up with Ralle.

This thread was moved to the Admin Contact because that's the right place to post it. Our administration is responsible for handling moderator issues. The direction of the site is responsible for the moderators of the Community (The Hive Workshop, Gamer's Hub), Development (Warcraft III Modding) and Art (Artist's Discussion).

I guess it's slightly ironic and hilarious to say this anyway, since your post is all about me.

Originally Posted by Maedh

Recently I had several of my posts deleated, and several other people have had their posts deleated. As far as I know they were all on topic posts (except for one, which was me tryint to ask why my post was deleated).

They were.
Like you said in the private message you sent me, there are other people going around asking when the project's going to be released. There is a common answer for this question: "It's done when it's done."
And think a bit: if other people asked, why are you asking again?

Originally Posted by Maedh

Apparently the reason the post was deleated, was because the mod did not feel people would want to read what I wrote?

What right do mods have to censor what people can and cant read?

Most of the times (and you don't have to search a lot) the threads in the Map Development forum are filled with encouragement messages and "when is it released?" questions.
Now, you don't need any special judgment to know that you want to skip entire pages which contain posts of this nature. It's simply annoying to be skipping pages just to find that three quarters (or more) of the next page are filled with more of these replies.
If it was a hosted project, we would accept these messages - they are encouraging and let's admit: they boost your ego. But having the space limited to a single thread changes things a lot.
And that's all regarding on-topic but spammy messages. It gets worse when they begin asking for MSN addresses and switching the map.

That's what I think as a reader, though. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I know that mine is shared by most of the users. Or by most of those who have been around and have seen all kinds of spam.

By the logic that I have virtually no idea what you're talking about simply by reading this topic, I'd argue that this discussion belongs elsewhere.

Regardless, Maedh, the "moderation" as a whole has its issues, but you just need to pick the right people to talk to. I don't believe in admin contact, I believe in private messages with proper subject lines. Now that's something that gets a response. Just relax, I'm sure whatever happened, it was done for a reason. This is the internet, no sense in getting sore over it. Just prove that you're better than that elsewhere in the forums.

I agree 100% to first post. Why to delete posts when they dont harm anyone? Its ok if you delete the useless posts, but there have been threeads where entire pages are removed because mod is too lazy to delete singe posts?!. And again my thread was closed because there were like 4 posts off topic (even if its going off topic, it should be up to the threads maker to close the thread, and not to mention I asked several times to open it and nothing happened).

yes. Im refering to RUI too, the source of evil!

Originally Posted by Steel_Stallion

It's annoying to have your thread closed because other people spam it. Its a bit stupid to not look at your thread much. Then return to find it was closed because other people spammed it. Very annoying, I can see this being abused

If you are referring to your thread, which PurplePoot re-opened, someone posted something stupid and you replied with the same coin face, that's why I closed it.

No, because spammy users would be removed after a while. Or, if it doesn't exist, a system where enough -rep or enough infractions would cause ban.

Originally Posted by Steel_Stallion

Well, I was thinking about my thread when posting that. But I was also speaking in general, I mean, can't this be abused?

Technically, you're asking me if I can't be abused. I'm not a robot ;P
If people spam your thread, do not reply. Simply report it and I'll clean it for you. That's what the Report Post button is for.

Originally Posted by Steel_Stallion

It's annoying to have your thread closed because other people spam it. Its a bit stupid to not look at your thread much. Then return to find it was closed because other people spammed it. Very annoying, I can see this being abused

Ekhm, who did just spam a Latest Updates and News thread with a personal argument?

Originally Posted by Angry_Bovine

Or, if it doesn't exist, a system where enough -rep or enough infractions would cause ban.

That's the purpose of infractions. 10 of them gets you banned.

@Maedh

I moved this thread to Admin Contact and you posted it right up again? Quite frankly, my feelings are a bit hurt here.

1. Privacy concerns:
Your complaints were, for the most part, centered around a specific user. We take complaints about specific mods' behaviors to Admin Contact or the Mod Lobby. The public's attention to these kinds of problems are not necessary. Why do you need this thread to be public? So the rest of the world can hear you complain? So you can let everyone on the site know how crappy the moderators are? Please.
2. A mod that moderates moderators? Didn't they use to call those Administrators? Or Directors? I wonder if that's why I moved this thread to the Admin Contact forum. Hmm...
3. Mods have perfect right to censor what you say. That's why we HAVE the "delete post" option. Because people say stupid things and that often results in more stupid things being said.

Why is it that so many map developers are such fucking douchebags? -.-'

It seems that most problems concerning closing or deletion of threads, negrep etc. come from the map makers?

Moderators are chosen because they are good at making decisions when it comes down to "what's right and what's wrong?". If they make a decision, generally they're right.

Also, I wouldn't call this a dictatorship, it's more of a Republic than anything. Just because we don't necessarily elect the "officials" doesn't mean that we don't agree with who is chosen.

Honestly, if you have a problem with the moderators, you should just leave. It won't get you anywhere to argue with them.

This is resolved.

Admins and/or directors are the position you seek to create, and they exist here already.