Map Crashed. Does map file size matter?

Dethekkus · Jun 5, 2008

Hey there!

I am making a WoW map (or were making since i can't do anything further :razz:

). I tested it and now Warcraft closes when i load the map. Any idea why? :bored:

Is the map to big? Hope i can get some help here. :wink:

Dethekkus/Shadow_Math123

Huurka · Jun 5, 2008

PLEASE tell us more. I.e map size etc

Squiggy · Jun 5, 2008

I don't think this is because of the size, like dota weighs 8MB and we can open it too ^^
Well did you accidentially protect the map?

Kwah · Jun 5, 2008

. . .

Map sizes don't affect the editor but when run in War3 you get a message "Map is too Big" if it is over say, 4MB (roughly). There are ways to get arounf this (ie: DOTA)

If it crashes the world editor it is likely that the MPQ is broken. While possible to fiz you have to know what you are doing.

P.S, try attaching the map and I will try to open it.
P.P.S, Accidentally protect the map . . . I don't see how that would be possible

Need_O2 · Jun 5, 2008

I bet its corrupted models

happy failing

Kwah · Jun 5, 2008

Can corrupted models prevent the map from opening in the editor? Or only in game?

wd40bomber7 · Jun 5, 2008

Both depending on whether or not units with the corrupted model is in plain sight on the map.

Kwah · Jun 5, 2008

Ahhh, I get it now.

Thanks for clarification.

Luthion · Jun 5, 2008

Just for clarification, not even maps with 1000 mb crash the game(well maybe but i doubt itll reach that) the only limit is for B.Net, if you don't want your map to be played on B.Net then you can have it the size you want.

Kwah · Jun 5, 2008

Not true. . .

I have tested and got the error "Map Is Too Big"

This may be unordinary but I know both PurplePoot and I have had this on spererate ocasions.

Luthion · Jun 5, 2008

I never had that even with a really big map size, many campaign have really BIG size, and don't crash it.(for example Pyrities campaign is 45 mb)

Kwah · Jun 5, 2008

Hmmm, I have had maps at 4.5MB and have gotten that error.

I don't belive that I am imagining things. . .??

Huurka · Jun 5, 2008

Squiggy said:
I don't think this is because of the size, like dota weighs 8MB and we can open it too ^^
Well did you accidentially protect the map?

I thought DotA was B.net friendly.

wd40bomber7 · Jun 6, 2008

hawk900 said:
Hmmm, I have had maps at 4.5MB and have gotten that error.

I don't belive that I am imagining things. . .??

Anything above 4mb will get the "File is too big" error when you try to run it on LAN or battle.net, other than that there is almost no limit on file size for single player.

However, wc3 does appear to crash when it reaches 712mb of memory, so in theory it would not be possible to load a map bigger then that.

Dota is less then 4mb, otherwise it wouldn't be hostable. Matter of fact, I just checked and the most current dota is 3mb.

(Now that I think about it, maybe the limit is 5mb, but I'm pretty sure its 4)

Freiddie · Jun 6, 2008

It's also possible to crash if you use triggers to put units outside of the map boundary, or try to use a trigger that calls itself indefinitely. I had both problems before. But map crashing could be caused by *anything*, so I might suggest a little bit of step-by-step troubleshooting to get to the source. (E.g. Disable all triggers, and see if there's something wrong; then create a copy of the map with all the units removed, and check again; etc.)

Black flesh · Jun 6, 2008

It is a protectet map?

Squiggy · Jun 6, 2008

Dota is around 8mb when it's unprotected.
But i also think it's due to the models..

emperor_d3st · Jun 6, 2008

He said:

THE MAP CRASHES WARCRAFT 3.

Not the map editor. Jeez. Who cares if it's protected or not?
They must have imported some crappy models or made some incorrect algorythm or their JASSer screwed up a JASS script or something like that.
But it's not like we can pull out our crystal balls from our hat and tell you what's wrong. You'll have to be more specific OR post the map and hope somebody will care OR troubleshoot it yourself. No3 is the fastest and best way to do this. You might even learn something nice.

Dethekkus · Jun 6, 2008

Yay, fixed editor. Now it can load the map and I can find out what's wrong. Besides, I will not protect the map before it's done.

emperor_d3st · Jun 6, 2008

The map size is 13288K (I've imported lots of units and icons).

So it is a singleplayer map? Just WoW in singleplayer sounds ..weird? I guess. That makes me think it's a multiplayer map what makes me think you won't be able to host it.

Dethekkus · Jun 6, 2008

emperor_d3st said:
So it is a singleplayer map? Just WoW in singleplayer sounds ..weird? I guess. That makes me think it's a multiplayer map what makes me think you won't be able to host it.

No, it's a 10 player map. Is it too big already? xP

emperor_d3st · Jun 6, 2008

It's always good to know that people who ask for help actually read the posts carefully what other people running to the rescue wrote.
Well yea. You are over the limit.
13288 / 1024 = 12.98
That means you are over the 4MB limit by 9 MBs.

Dethekkus · Jun 6, 2008

emperor_d3st said:
It's always good to know that people who ask for help actually read the posts carefully what other people running to the rescue wrote.
Well yea. You are over the limit.
13288 / 1024 = 12.98
That means you are over the 4MB limit by 9 MBs.

Oh, that's bad. Then I will see if i can make the map size 9MBs lower.

wd40bomber7 · Jun 6, 2008

Freiddie said:
It's also possible to crash if you use triggers to put units outside of the map boundary, or try to use a trigger that calls itself indefinitely. I had both problems before. But map crashing could be caused by *anything*, so I might suggest a little bit of step-by-step troubleshooting to get to the source. (E.g. Disable all triggers, and see if there's something wrong; then create a copy of the map with all the units removed, and check again; etc.)

That was patched. As far as I know, SetUnitX(999999999,999999999) will no longer crash. Of course if you try really hard you could probably cause an overflow...

Freiddie · Jun 6, 2008

wd40bomber7 said:
That was patched. As far as I know, SetUnitX(999999999,999999999) will no longer crash. Of course if you try really hard you could probably cause an overflow...

Off-topic:

Huh? The last time I did that, I had an error, although I was using patch 1.21a, not 1.21b. I was trying to debug a trigger that stores and restores every unit's initial X & Y using custom value. It took me a while to realize that my trigger was wrongly placing units up to 50% beyond the map (and sometimes in deep sea).

Need_O2 · Jun 6, 2008

SetUnitPosition(u,99999999999999999999999999999999,99999999999999999999999)
wont
SetUnitX(u,9999999999999999999999999999999999999) will as I know

wd40bomber7 · Jun 6, 2008

Any number above a certain number will crash because of overflow. What I meant was, the game will no longer crash because of using SetUnitX/SetUnitY outside of map bounds.

Dethekkus · Jun 7, 2008

I haven't placed any units outside map bounds. :eekani:

PitzerMike · Jun 7, 2008

Dethekkus said:
I haven't placed any units outside map bounds.

Because that's impossible. You can only MOVE them outside with triggers.

Dethekkus · Jun 7, 2008

PitzerMike said:
Because that's impossible. You can only MOVE them outside with triggers.

Then i haven't moved any units outside map bounds with triggers. :razz:

Luthion · Jun 7, 2008

It will never say map size is too big if your not in B.Net. Anyways you probably uploaded some bugged models Dethekkus, try removing all your models one by one and see whats the bugged one, if it's none then it can be sounds, icons, etc......

Dethekkus · Jun 7, 2008

Ok, thanks. :razz:

i removed some unnessecary models and got size down to 11 MB :thumbs_up:

emperor_d3st · Jun 7, 2008

To 11 MB?
No.. You need to decrease file size BELOW 4 MB if you want to play it on B.Net or LAN.

emperor_d3st · Jun 8, 2008

You might be right. I never bothered finding out the exact size, people don't really bother download too much stuff over 2-3 MB anyways.

Rui · Jun 8, 2008

If you have music on your map, forget it, music is way too big for a multiplayer map.

Anyway, you have your answer now, so I trust this thread can be closed?

Dethekkus · Jun 8, 2008

Yeh, thanks guys. :thumbs_up:

(PS. i had a WoW song imported, took 4 MB :razz:

)

Fourmman · Dec 7, 2008

Could you have scratches in the disk or something? When copying lots of data gigabytes can be lost in the ether.
Just a thought.... I'm new here..... :}

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