Spell Ideas

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 2, 2007

If you have any ideas to replace existing Hero spells in Against the Darkness, post them here! I will not use already existing spells and only original spells will have a chance to be implemented in the map.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 3, 2007

WELL; if you actually have a LOOK on my other post you will see my new hero suggestions ....
It is ok if you don't like it, but it that is the problem than say it to me and don't give me any false hope !

Also, i believe that i may have a complex idea for a spell for your nature's mage:
It is a spell i have in my map, but it is a different version for you (our map types are different and so the spell must be as well):
You could replace the shield (since it is very unbalanced and the shield model does take some memory space you could use);
Here it goes:
Nature Bound - Has a different effect depending on the enemy.
Forest Troll - transforms the troll into a tree for X seconds
DK - Damages the DK for 30% of current mana
Ogre - Knocks back the ogre, damaging him and units he hits. Destroys tress.
Deceiver - Silences the deceiver and decreases damage by X%
Nether Drake - Blinds the unit to ground and makes it miss attacks
Razormancer - Damages the unit by 30% of the unit's current hp
Murgols - Poison effect which will deal damage over time and eventually kill
Bandits - Transforms the unit into gold (change the color to yellow) by X seconds. If the unit dies while in the spell, it gives X extra gold to the killer
Allies - Heals by 30% of the mage's current hp (or you can make it depend on the type of hero)

I think that's all (lol).
This spell would be awesome for an ultimate as well, as it is very versatile. However the description would need a lot of space (or you can just say it makes a different effect depending on the type of unit).
If you accept this suggestion let me know ....

Also, you could use a hidden icon, from the tutorial, and therefore save MORE memory.

It is up to you now.

Also, for you frozen archer.
The archer is one of the most disappointing heroes .... It only has 1 new spell....
So here i give you some suggestions. This one Slightly modifies the frozen arrow ability.
Level 1 - Slows movement and attack
Level 2 - Level 1's effect and the enemy unit has a chance to miss the attacks
Level 3 - Level 1 and 2 effects plus the unit has a chance to be completely frozen for X seconds.

Another suggestion is to replace the Wind Walk spell with:
Frozen Blast: The archer shoots a frozen arrow in a direction so powerful, that it damages and slows all enemy units in that same line.(this spell is a modified version of the Axe from tauren but still more complex because it is a lot more different.)

Now you choose ...

And give me an answer ...

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 3, 2007

I like the idea of Nature Bound but that would be a huge spell and a different effect would have to be made for every unit on the map? That would be very hard. I may just decide one effect (perhaps per level it would change).

Frozen Archer Iced Arrow tweak is a great idea and I will probably use something like it. Vanish will stay though. It is basically the reason that people get the Frozen Archer. I may change Celestial Shield into a Mana Shield based Ability, because the shield is as well a main reason why people pick the Nature Mage. I'll think about it though.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 3, 2007

Nite said:
I like the idea of Nature Bound but that would be a huge spell and a different effect would have to be made for every unit on the map? That would be very hard. I may just decide one effect (perhaps per level it would change).

It would be a big spell, and it would give a lot of work. But it is not impossible to achieve (I can do it if you need). Besides wouldn't it be awesome !?
And ofc, the effects are different depending the level, the bigget the level, bigger the effect.

Nite said:
Frozen Archer Iced Arrow tweak is a great idea and I will probably use something like it. Vanish will stay though. It is basically the reason that people get the Frozen Archer. I may change Celestial Shield into a Mana Shield based Ability, because the shield is as well a main reason why people pick the Nature Mage. I'll think about it though.

Bah vanish !? It is wind walk !!! No point .... want a cool spell ?? well, the Ranger in my map has this aura: When an allied unit reaches 20% of its hp, he has 40% to hide and get invisible. You get invis power as well... and allies can benefit from it !
Still, thx for saying that my forst arrow idea was cool.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 5, 2007

Okay I'm working on a spell currently using the working title "Nature Bound" but is quite different from any idea you had for it. "Binds the Nature Mage to a nearby tree, increasing hitpoint and mana regeneration and giving him a greater view of the surrounding area.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 5, 2007

Mmmmmm.....

What about my idea ???? You could replace that ward spell with it. I believe it would be better.

Lastly, you can always use my spell's idea in other hero.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 5, 2007

Flame_Phoenix, I do not believe I will be using that idea. I will let you know if I do, but I don't think it will happen. However, I am going to work on the advanced form of Iced Arrow that you suggested. Don't fret, your ideas aren't being ignored.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 5, 2007

.... Hã !? What is "fret" !??! Is it getting angry ??
Anyway, np. It's your map, you are the boss. Check out my suggestion to your movie problem =).

Also, i suggest you the use of JASS, GUI leaks like hell, and is way much slower.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 5, 2007

Flame_Phoenix said:
.... Hã !? What is "fret" !??! Is it getting angry ??
Anyway, np. It's your map, you are the boss. Check out my suggestion to your movie problem =).

Also, i suggest you the use of JASS, GUI leaks like hell, and is way much slower.

I use JASS where JASS is necessary (e.g. for local variables and certain actions that use them) Since I optimize my map, the useless code from the GUI that I use is cleaned up and makes it run much faster (meaning I don't have to make everything using JASS to achieve this).

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 6, 2007

Well, currently you movie GUI script leaks and is slow... that is why i suggest JASS as it can solve your problems.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 6, 2007

Here is the updated version of "Nature's Protection" (formally Nature Bound).

Binds the Nature Mage to a nearby tree, protecting it from damage and restoring his hitpoints by his Intelligence once every second. Also permits sight of invisible units.
Level 1 - 10 seconds
Level 2 - 15 seconds
Level 3 - 20 seconds
Level 4 - 25 seconds

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 7, 2007

Mmmm. So the mage gets invulnerable and restores his health ... can't that be a litlle unbalanced ??

Anyway, need more spell ideas ?

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 7, 2007

Let say the Mage has 25 Intelligence and Level 2 Nature's Protection.

25 x .75 x 15 = 281.25. He heals for 281 hitpoints, which may be too much. Perhaps it should be half of the Mage's intelligence, instead of 3/4.

25 x .5 x 15 = 187.5. That looks way more balanced. Yes, I think I'll change it to only half of his intelligence.

Also, I have a new ability idea that perhaps you could help me with for the Scientist to replace either Mechanical Hologram or Supercharge (probably Supercharge).

Remote Tanks Charge (The name needs help) - This ability would create X amount of tanks to charge the targeted unit, each exploding individually upon impact.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 7, 2007

Yeeeyy =).
Also, I think you should replace the ranger's bash ability with something more complex:
- the ranger has 25% to deal 50% of her agility in bonus damage and to slow the unit for X seconds.
I think it could be good and it' not that hard to do.

About the tanks ... well.... Download "rotd campaign" as it has that spell with the goblin hero.
The campaign is also open source, so you can copy and then change the spell if you want, as long as you give credit to the campaign.
About the name ... well, that is for the goblin hero rit ?? well, What about ... Jihad Tankies ??? (Jihad is a suicidal Arabian organization affiliated with Al-Qaeda that recruits people to make suicidal attacks.... It's a shocking and cult name !! lol)

If you don't like my first suggestion i suggest Goblin Tankies .. lol ..

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 7, 2007

Jihad actually refers to "Holy War" and is not a specific organization, but rather a religious call to arms. That is besides the point though.

I really like that idea for the 50% Agility damage/slow. I'll see what I can do.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 7, 2007

LOL... yes Jihad is holy war, but in my country Jihad was recruiting people to commit suicide ... fortunately our police captured their main leaders and now they are looking for ramifications.
Although Jihad goes for Holy War, it's primary objective is to recruit people and to get financial support to whatever they do.

Anyway, back to the point, it's good to know you liked my idea =).

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 8, 2007

Yes very much so. Too bad I have been distracted all day with creating a Tutorial instead of working on Against the Darkness

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 8, 2007

LOL .... which kind of tutorial is it ?

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 8, 2007

Creating a Votekick System in GUI.

I am at school right now and my class was cancelled but my batter life is about to go out on my lap top so I can't do any work on AtD

I will when I get home though.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 9, 2007

Flame, from the sound of it you know how to work the editor pretty well. So let me ask you, for modifying Swift Shot to be based off of the Frozen Archer's agility, how would I go about doing this? I'll show you what I have at this point, but it's not very efficient at all.

It shows the Real value of extra damage, so sometimes it can be a decimal and I DO NOT want a decimal value as the floating text since damage is done in Integer form. Also, this trigger will most likely damage the unit before it has even been hit by the Frozen Archer's arrow, since it the even it is "A Unit is Attacked". That means that it will take the bonus damage before the rest of the damage. This wouldn't be a big deal unless the bonus damage was enough to kill the unit before the arrow got there, which would look really bad. Enough talking though, look and see if you can help out;

Swift Shot
- Events
  - Unit - A unit Is attacked
- Conditions
  - (Unit-type of (Attacking unit)) Equal to Belilmadë Wildsinger
- Actions
  - Set SwiftShotChance = (Random integer number between 1 and 100)
  - Custom script: set udg_RealAgility = GetHeroStatBJ(bj_HEROSTAT_AGI, GetAttacker(), true)
  - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
    - If - Conditions
      - SwiftShotChance Less than or equal to 25
    - Then - Actions
      - If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Level of Swift Shot (Passive, Dummy) for (Attacking unit)) Equal to 1
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 0.85 seconds
        
        Unit - Cause (Attacking unit) to damage (Triggering unit), dealing (RealAgility x 0.50) damage of attack type Pierce and damage type Cold
        
        Floating Text - Create floating text that reads (|cff56A5EC + ((String((RealAgility x 0.50))) + !|r)) above (Attacking unit) with Z offset 25.00, using font size 8.00, color (0.00%, 0.00%, 0.00%), and 0.00% transparency
        
        Floating Text - Set the velocity of (Last created floating text) to 64.00 towards 90.00 degrees
        
        Floating Text - Change (Last created floating text): Disable permanence
        
        Floating Text - Change the fading age of (Last created floating text) to 2.00 seconds
        
        Floating Text - Change the lifespan of (Last created floating text) to 3.00 seconds
        
        Else - Actions
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Level of Swift Shot (Passive, Dummy) for (Attacking unit)) Equal to 2
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 0.85 seconds
        
        Unit - Cause (Attacking unit) to damage (Triggering unit), dealing (RealAgility x 0.65) damage of attack type Pierce and damage type Cold
        
        Floating Text - Create floating text that reads (|cff56A5EC + ((String((RealAgility x 0.65))) + !|r)) above (Attacking unit) with Z offset 25.00, using font size 8.00, color (0.00%, 0.00%, 0.00%), and 0.00% transparency
        
        Floating Text - Set the velocity of (Last created floating text) to 64.00 towards 90.00 degrees
        
        Floating Text - Change (Last created floating text): Disable permanence
        
        Floating Text - Change the fading age of (Last created floating text) to 2.00 seconds
        
        Floating Text - Change the lifespan of (Last created floating text) to 3.00 seconds
        
        Else - Actions
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Level of Swift Shot (Passive, Dummy) for (Attacking unit)) Equal to 3
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 0.85 seconds
        
        Unit - Cause (Attacking unit) to damage (Triggering unit), dealing (RealAgility x 0.80) damage of attack type Pierce and damage type Cold
        
        Floating Text - Create floating text that reads (|cff56A5EC + ((String((RealAgility x 0.80))) + !|r)) above (Attacking unit) with Z offset 25.00, using font size 8.00, color (0.00%, 0.00%, 0.00%), and 0.00% transparency
        
        Floating Text - Set the velocity of (Last created floating text) to 64.00 towards 90.00 degrees
        
        Floating Text - Change (Last created floating text): Disable permanence
        
        Floating Text - Change the fading age of (Last created floating text) to 2.00 seconds
        
        Floating Text - Change the lifespan of (Last created floating text) to 3.00 seconds
        
        Else - Actions
        
        If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
        
        If - Conditions
        
        (Level of Swift Shot (Passive, Dummy) for (Attacking unit)) Equal to 4
        
        Then - Actions
        
        Wait 0.85 seconds
        
        Unit - Cause (Attacking unit) to damage (Triggering unit), dealing RealAgility damage of attack type Pierce and damage type Cold
        
        Floating Text - Create floating text that reads (|cff56A5EC + ((String(RealAgility)) + !|r)) above (Attacking unit) with Z offset 25.00, using font size 8.00, color (0.00%, 0.00%, 0.00%), and 0.00% transparency
        
        Floating Text - Set the velocity of (Last created floating text) to 64.00 towards 90.00 degrees
        
        Floating Text - Change (Last created floating text): Disable permanence
        
        Floating Text - Change the fading age of (Last created floating text) to 2.00 seconds
        
        Floating Text - Change the lifespan of (Last created floating text) to 3.00 seconds
        
        Else - Actions
    - Else - Actions

If I can't figure out how to get it to work this way, I think I'll take the simpler road and make the extra damage the entire Agility, but make the percentages chance. (e.g. 10/15/20/25% per level)

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 9, 2007

JESUS !!! So much GUI hurts my head !!!LOl, Well, i have a very similar spell made in JASS, is a very easy way so you can understand it. It's called Speed Thurst:

It has a chance to add X ability to the hero, depending on the level.
Now you can easily chance this script to add the damage.
I think I will edit this spell, in order to give you some hand.

EDIT - ops, wrong spell, give me a minute to search my libraries lol.

EDIT EDIT:

Well, after making some research and some thinking i decided to make the code for you.
This code grants 5, 7 and 10 % chance that an attack will do 50% of the rangers agility in extra damage.
This spell is JASS, leak free, MUI and it works. It is also very easy to change. Here you have:

JASS:

function AgiArrow_Conds takes nothing returns boolean
    local integer level = GetUnitAbilityLevel(GetAttacker(),'A019')
    local integer chance 
    if level == 1 then
        set chance = 5
    elseif level == 2 then
        set chance = 7
    elseif level == 3 then 
        set chance = 10
    endif
    return level > 0 and GetRandomInt(1, 100) <= chance
endfunction
//=======================================================
function AgiArrow_Acts takes nothing returns nothing
    local unit attacker = GetAttacker()
    local unit victim = GetTriggerUnit()
    local effect e = AddSpecialEffectTarget("Abilities\\Spells\\Items\\AIsm\\AIsmTarget.mdl", victim, "origin")
    local integer level = GetUnitAbilityLevel(GetAttacker(),'A019')
    local texttag Bonus = CreateTextTag()
    call SetTextTagText(Bonus, "+" + R2S(0.5*GetHeroAgi(attacker, false)), .023 )   
    call SetTextTagPosUnit( Bonus, victim, 0 )
    call SetTextTagColor( Bonus, 255, 255, 0, 255 )
    call UnitDamageTarget(attacker, victim, GetHeroAgi(attacker, true)*0.5, true, true, ATTACK_TYPE_CHAOS, DAMAGE_TYPE_UNIVERSAL, null)
    call SetTextTagPermanent(Bonus, false)
    call SetTextTagVelocity( Bonus, 0, .0277 )
    call TriggerSleepAction(2.00)
    call DestroyTextTag(Bonus)
    call DestroyEffect(e) 
    set attacker = null
    set victim = null
    set e = null
    set Bonus = null
endfunction
//===========================================================================
function InitTrig_Agi_Arrow takes nothing returns nothing
    local integer index = 0
    local trigger AgiArrow = CreateTrigger()
    loop
        exitwhen index == 16
        call TriggerRegisterPlayerUnitEvent(AgiArrow, Player(index), EVENT_PLAYER_UNIT_ATTACKED, null)
        set index = index +1 
    endloop 
    call TriggerAddCondition( AgiArrow, Condition( function AgiArrow_Conds ) )
    call TriggerAddAction( AgiArrow, function AgiArrow_Acts )
    set AgiArrow = null
endfunction

This code it's in its "brute" from. However i can add a few comments and i can explain you how it works later, if you need.
Now this passive ability is easy to see and understand. It does damage in real form, but you can round that if you wish.

EDIT EDIT EDIT:

Crap, now that i read all you post, i just realised i made the wrong ability lol ... crap .. sorry for that..

Well, i will have a look on your frost arrow ability when i have time ... I just took all time i have today making that AgiArrow ability lol ... tomorrow i will give a better look to your problem. Sorry again for my mistake =S

Saiyuki · Nov 9, 2007

maybe i could help too =)
so u want the attacked unit to get damage when the arrow strikes it? well...
there could be some ways.. there is also an event called "<unit> takes damage" that would be the best, right? but the problem is known in here, u would need to be specific about the <unit> which causes the event to get startet.

so, in gui i would do it like this:
1. just delete your event.
2. after the map init, where you created all creeps units (enemys of the archer) add a "pick every unit of .. player and do", the action would be "add (picked unit) takes damage as event to swift shot" then, after it just
3. delete/remove/destroy the unit group as u surely know

in this way i solved a problem, in which the automatic fireing ability "phoenix fire" would drain mana from the "damage source", oh yeah, replace "attacking unit" by "damage source" then in ur gui.

i think it should work then as u want it. =)

___edit: oh yeah, u would need to add a new event for each new created or just entering (by summuning) enemy unit as well then.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 10, 2007

Flame_Phoenix said:
I just took all time i have today making that AgiArrow ability lol ... tomorrow i will give a better look to your problem. Sorry again for my mistake =S

It's okay, thank you for taking the time to try to help though!

Saiyuki said:
so, in gui i would do it like this:
1. just delete your event.
2. after the map init, where you created all creeps units (enemys of the archer) add a "pick every unit of .. player and do", the action would be "add (picked unit) takes damage as event to swift shot" then, after it just
3. delete/remove/destroy the unit group as u surely know

___edit: oh yeah, u would need to add a new event for each new created or just entering (by summuning) enemy unit as well then.

Brilliant thinking! I think this will solve my problem!! I will edit with an update to let you know if it does.

Saiyuki · Nov 10, 2007

np, but keep in mind that u (maybe) need to use "damage source" instead of "attacking unit" ^^

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 10, 2007

I know, and I did

. Now I'm using your idea to "add an event" to a trigger to create my other spell that I couldn't think of how to make! You unlocked so much potential for me making new spells. Thank you.

Saiyuki · Nov 11, 2007

no problem

if u need any more help, just tell.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 11, 2007

Well, now I'm trying to brainstorm new spell ideas for the next release of AtD. I want to have a new ultimate for the Hunter (focused on animals/nature), a new ability for the Scientist (focused on technology), and a new ability for the Medicine Doctor (focused on protection/healing - not an aura). If you can think up any original and plausible, place them here in detail! Flame_Phoenix has already done a good job of this.

Saiyuki · Nov 11, 2007

ok, here goes some ideas: (2 per hero for the moment ^^)

1)ark_NiTe said:
I want to have a new ultimate for the Hunter (focused on animals/nature)

- call of nature: [ultimate] [active]
somethink like summoning a (herotype) beast that will follow your hero untill it dies, this unit could be made somehow strong but not able to control (patrol command?), so it would attack automatically. for each level or kill it would get +2 damage points, +15 hp, +0.2 armor, +2 speed bonus.

- nature's soul (consomption): [ultimate] [passive]
nature healing, passive one, when a unit is killed nearby (but for sure in attack range), there is a chance of 15% that the hunter will receive 85 HP and 35 Mana from the released soul. alternatively, i could work for friendly heroes in an aoe of 750 too. this skill actrivates, even if the killing unit is not the hunter.

_ _ _ _ _

1)ark_NiTe said:
, a new ability for the Scientist (focused on technology)

- max output: [active]
some kind of avatar with increased attack damage, hp, armor, but decreased movements speed.
level 1 - increasing attack output by 35%, hp by 350, armor by 2 but reducing speed about 7% for 12 seconds. mc: 37, cd: 32s
level 2 - increasing attack output by 40%, hp by 450, armor by 4 but reducing speed about 6% for 13 seconds. mc: 41, cd: 30s
level 3 - increasing attack output by 50%, hp by 550, armor by 6 but reducing speed about 5% for 14 seconds. mc: 45, cd: 28s
level 4 - increasing attack output by 65%, hp by 650, armor by 8 but reducing speed about 4% for 15 seconds. mc: 49, cd: 26s

- mines: [active]
placing an invisible mine on ground which will explode if an enemy is nearby, mines are able to explode other mines, too. maybe automatically explode after 2min. (give it 120 hp, with -1 reg, if killed so, the explode skill wont activate)
level 1 - dealing 175 damage in an aoe of 250. mc: 35, cd: 21 s
level 2 - dealing 215 damage in an aoe of 300. mc: 42, cd: 23 s
level 3 - dealing 270 damage in an aoe of 350. mc: 49, cd: 25 s
level 4 - dealing 340 damage in an aoe of 400. mc: 56, cd: 27 s

_ _ _ _ _

1)ark_NiTe said:
, and a new ability for the Medicine Doctor (focused on protection/healing - not an aura).

- robe of healing: [active] [able to turn off]
when active, it will drain mana from the medicine doctor, healing nearby friendly till all mana is consumed or skill deactivated. aoe of about 550.
level 1 - 1 mana per second, healing 32 HP to nearby friendly units.
level 2 - 1.5 mana per second, healing 43 HP to nearby friendly units.
level 3 - 2.0 mana per second, healing 54 HP to nearby friendly units.
level 4 - 2.5 mana per second, healing 65 HP to nearby friendly units.

- chain of sorrow: [active]
casted on enemy units, it will jump between enemy units, dealing percent (of their max hp) damage, when it reaches the last enemy, a second chain will activate jumping between friendly units, healing HP in the amount of the damage dealt to the enemies before.
level 1 - jump 3 times, dealing 10% damage, healing chain jumps 4 times. mc: 34, cd: 12s
level 2 - jump 4 times, dealing 14% damage, healing chain jumps 5 times. mc: 42, cd: 14s
level 3 - jump 5 times, dealing 18% damage, healing chain jumps 6 times. mc: 50, cd: 16s
level 4 - jump 6 times, dealing 22% damage, healing chain jumps 7 times. mc: 58, cd: 18s

____edit:
oh, damn just thought about ultimates ^^

____edit, nr 2:
ok, now i made the normal skills weaker, ehm.. its just 4 levels each, right? xD
mc: mana cost, cd: cooldown

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 26, 2007

Okay in the 2.2 Version set there have already been 4 new spells created inspired from this thread, but none are quite exactly what yall wanted. I would love to know what you think about them though. Download the latest version and play the Architect, Frozen Archer, or Hunter and tell me what you think about the new abilities Greed Smite, Golden Strike, Swift Shot, and Beast Trap, respectfully. I hope that you will enjoy them and encourage me to make more!

Saiyuki · Nov 26, 2007

yeah, gonna check em tomorrow for sure =)

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 27, 2007

Meh, i've been afk for a while, where can i dl your newest version ?? i would like to see the spells you created from my suggestions >=)

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 27, 2007

In my signature, Flame_Phoenix.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 28, 2007

Meh lol, sry my fault.
Hey, does the new ATD has an elf race !? it seems it does because of your signature image lol ...

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 28, 2007

No, those are gatherers harvesting lumber in an Architect's base.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 28, 2007

Lol, i haven't found that yet lol, have to test your new version again =)

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 28, 2007

Flame_Phoenix said:
Lol, i haven't found that yet lol, have to test your new version again =)

It's not new. If you are an Architect you can build structures, and from your Technology Center (Soon to be renamed Harvesting Center) you can train Gatherers.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 28, 2007

Hã!? is this the same map we are talking about !? When i played ATD i was a hero trying to complete quests and to defeat the dark knight in order to stop the invasion... I never saw an ancient race ... i only saw a Chimera roost shop a few more things ..

I really have to test it again lol...

Saiyuki · Nov 28, 2007

well, how long has it been that this was possible for the architect?
or better: how long didn't u play atd? ^^

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 28, 2007

I am a prod helper that played his map in version 1.0, in its first release =). But i see my version is old lol.
I'll have a look on it when i can. I am busy helping Pyrittie as well.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 28, 2007

Version 1.0? Oh lord, you are so far behind my friend. But nonetheless, the Architect could always build. Next time you play, select the Architect as your Hero. Then you will see.

Flame_Phoenix · Nov 28, 2007

Lol =), i really need to see the new version =)

Gausslander · Nov 29, 2007

Okay, spell ideas... Maybe you could have an ability that makes the death knight explode into ten bats, flying in all directions for about a range of 500, then turn into "Nebula" (Dark Wisps). Once that happens, they can suicide themselves to damage their enemies. But, there will also be one wisp, made in the middle, that must survive or the Death Knight loses 100 HP after 30 seconds when the spell is done. The center wisp could be the "Puppet Master" or something. Levels would probably increase time and damage. This is a pretty scrappy idea though...

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 29, 2007

Very intersting, though, indeed. I really like how it sounds, but if I do decide on doing something like it it may only use the basic ideas of your suggestion Scyth.

Gausslander · Nov 29, 2007

Oh, basic? You mean you wouldn't have the bat special effects? That'd be pretty easy to do actually. All you need to do is make a transparent Dread Lord and then kill it.

DesKaladA · Nov 30, 2007

toatly offtpoci ish

Scyth-Master said:
Okay, spell ideas... Maybe you could have an ability that makes the death knight explode into ten bats, flying in all directions for about a range of 500, then turn into "Nebula" (Dark Wisps). Once that happens, they can suicide themselves to damage their enemies. But, there will also be one wisp, made in the middle, that must survive or the Death Knight loses 100 HP after 30 seconds when the spell is done. The center wisp could be the "Puppet Master" or something. Levels would probably increase time and damage. This is a pretty scrappy idea though...

i'm going to test this...
might be usefll S.M. +rpz(for a 1337 idea)

if not i'll just add this to the rejected spells download page (of up.to/atd)

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 30, 2007

Scyth-Master said:
Oh, basic? You mean you wouldn't have the bat special effects? That'd be pretty easy to do actually. All you need to do is make a transparent Dread Lord and then kill it.

No, actually I was planning on using the bat idea more than anything haha

Gausslander · Nov 30, 2007

I don't see what's so advanced about it, you could even make it a regional spell if you didn't want to do all of the coding stuff.

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 30, 2007

You're not understanding. It's not too advanced for me, I just don't think that exact spell is appropriate for AtD, but I would use elements of it.

DesKaladA · Nov 30, 2007

well i made a working demo?
in GUI
so will that help?

1)ark_NiTe · Nov 30, 2007

DesKaladA said:
well i made a working demo?
in GUI
so will that help?

If you attach it to that post, yes.