NewGen and WC3?

Faestus · Mar 3, 2013

Can WC3 basic run Jass Newgen maps?

Maker · Mar 3, 2013

They can't be saved without JNGP.

Xonok · Mar 3, 2013

Basically newgen is a modified editor that does some things for you. It doesn't truly extend the capabilities of warcraft.
Thus, the editor doesn't matter. All maps are playable.
However, since the NewGen editor translates some nonexistant commands into existing ones, then normal editors will not know what to do with them.

Always playable, but not always editable without newgen.

Zeatherann · Mar 4, 2013

Yea, how does JNGP 'compile' vJASS into JASS, cause when i open the map in the editor, it is usually in vJASS still? though the war3map.j file is compiled vJASS (aka unreadable JASS)

Xonok · Mar 4, 2013

Zeatherann said:
Yea, how does JNGP 'compile' vJASS into JASS, cause when i open the map in the editor, it is usually in vJASS still? though the war3map.j file is compiled vJASS (aka unreadable JASS)

The editor uses different files. That's why protected maps can't be opened. They are missing the editor files.

The thing in map.j is normal JASS, which is essentially what vJASS is in the end.

Zeatherann · Mar 4, 2013

Oh cool! so unprotected maps have an extra file in the map MPQ?

Xonok · Mar 4, 2013

Zeatherann said:
Oh cool! so unprotected maps have an extra file in the map MPQ?

As far as I know, yes. Multiple of them.

Zeatherann · Mar 5, 2013

That seems, smart. Though i'd hope there's a way to leave the map unprotected but leave out the vjass files, idk.

Zwiebelchen · Mar 5, 2013

Zeatherann said:
That seems, smart. Though i'd hope there's a way to leave the map unprotected but leave out the vjass files, idk.

There's no downside to using the Vexorian's map optimizer and I highly recommend doing it when your map is done, as it makes the map smaller, faster and fixes some of blizzards screwups.

Dr Super Good · Mar 5, 2013

There's no downside to using the Vexorian's map optimizer

It can break some scripts.

Zeatherann · Mar 6, 2013

I never said 'not use the optimizer' and i personally won't. I just meant a way to leave the map editable but not have the vjass scripts.

Dr Super Good: What scripts can it break?

Zwiebelchen · Mar 6, 2013

Zeatherann said:
Dr Super Good: What scripts can it break?

No need to worry about it really. The casual user will most likely never have a situation where the optimizer breaks anything.
There are some potentional things that may not be working, like custom declared natives or string concatenation when using ExecuteFunc (in this case you can just uncheck the compress names feature), but again, nothing the average user would ever use.

If you are not going to use vJass, just don't worry about it. Your map will not get noticably larger because of Newgen.

gorillabull · Mar 6, 2013

Zwiebelchen said:
There's no downside to using the Vexorian's map optimizer and I highly recommend doing it when your map is done, as it makes the map smaller, faster and fixes some of blizzards screwups.

if the map is really small < 300kb it bugs and make it 1.3 GB

Zwiebelchen · Mar 6, 2013

gorillabull said:
if the map is really small < 300kb it bugs and make it 1.3 GB

If you have a map < 300kb, you don't need to worry about map size anyway, so I'd rather use the widgetizer in this situation for faster loading speed.

Zeatherann · Mar 6, 2013

*giggles* 1.3GB? how? I love it when scripting and code breaks, so fun to see the effects.

Dr Super Good · Mar 6, 2013

Dr Super Good: What scripts can it break?

Ones which use the AI natives (specificly the get cost ones). Also ones that use string based function or variable names (especially if they are formed via string operations such as concatination).

Some users have also reported strage trigger related bugs occuring after optimizaing their map that were not present in the un-optimized version.

Zeatherann · Mar 7, 2013

Hehe, what does the optimizer do exactly? just obfuscate the code to use shorter variable names/function names/ect?

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