Wizards v1.0 + Ai

[Moderator]

20:37, 2nd May 2016
Ardenian: Same points as in the review of Blade Wars.
Too simple. Try to be more creative, add more content and variation.

 

[Zenonoth]

Just tested this map, here's my review
What can I say?
- Decent Description
- Decent Terrain
- Decent Preview Image and Loading Screen
- Good gameplay
- Multiplayer
- AI is present, so it's playable/fun even without multiplayer
- Difficulties
- Map suits it's category

Overall I'm rating this map 5/5, vote for approval, you can also tell me if you don't like my review and I'll gladly remove my comment/rating from your map.

 

[Shanghai]

thnx for review

 

[Heaven Editor]

Wow. Nice job! I love the environment. It is mesmerizing!

 

[Shanghai]

thank you!

 

[Shanghai]

Can an admin approve this map pls?

 

[Sclammerz]

This can't be approved whenever you like or by pleasing, etc. You need to improve and do the desired changes in order to approve your map.

 

[Shanghai]

Ok i will work on it.

 

[Shanghai]

the map is more uppdated with new items and rune system also 1 new spell for the wizard. Sry did forgot to remove computer players its now fixed.

 

[sluk]

dude pls approve this map he is working so long on this and now you are really giving him a 100 downloads you need more!

 

[Shanghai]

Thnx sluk. im glad you like the map

I made some more updates now its more fun!

 

[deepstrasz]

Player 1 had level 0 in the multiboard.
A description of the game modes and commands is needed in the quest log

Anyways, this map is a ripoff of:
Warlock 1.01b

 

[Shanghai]

Its not a ripoff. its kinda diffrent. Do you mean u cant do a map there you push enemys out of the area? Then its ripoff? Have u seen the map ring out? is that also a ripoff?

Im working on fixing the level problem.

I wanted to make something like warlocks yes. But still diffrent. And it is diffrent.

Here you go:

1. Warlocks doesent have a healing tree in middle of map.

2. Warlocks is not team play i think like 5vs5.

3. Warlocks use fire balls

4. Warlocks terrain is changing

5. Warlocks doesent have quality terrain

6. Warlocks doesent have same spells.

7. Warlocks doesent allow you to buy items in the map like shops/units.

Do you need anything more?

But anyway thnx for pointing out the buggs.

(Player 1 had level 0 in the multiboard).

Will be fixed soon.

Also lets say all those Footmen Frenzy maps they are ripoffs also?

 

[Chaosy]

Most of your counter arguments mean nothing.
Not having the same spells / heroes does not make a map.
Take DotA and change heroes/skills/items, it's still the same map aka ripoff.

I am not saying it is a ripoff since I have not played either of the maps.
But I would suggest finding better arguments if you want to defend your map verbally.

 

[Shanghai]

So how come all these Footmen Frenzy? can u explain that to me?

These means all aos maps are ripoff of dota?

 

[deepstrasz]

These means all aos maps are ripoff of dota?

Of course not but those that are too similar are.

So how come all these Footmen Frenzy? can u explain that to me?

Well, those are ripoffs, at least most of them.

1. Warlocks doesent have a healing tree in middle of map.

I'm ignoring this one.

2. Warlocks is not team play i think like 5vs5.

This is an improvement of course.

3. Warlocks use fire balls

Hmm... have you played it? The spells can be changed/chosen.

4. Warlocks terrain is changing

That's a bonus for Warlock.

5. Warlocks doesent have quality terrain

Invalid as that tree blocks visibility in many ways.

6. Warlocks doesent have same spells.

Yes, possibly. The hero models are also different but similar. That does not really make it less similar.

What I'm trying to tell you is that you need to make a lot of stuff on your map to make it less similar to that one if you want it to be considered at least an enhancement.

 

[Shanghai]

Ok i dont wana argument more about this. If you want it removed lets remove it? If it feels better for you?

mybe its better stop making maps because all maps are already made

 

[deepstrasz]

Ok i dont wana argument more about this. If you want it removed lets remove it? If it feels better for you?

Don't assume if you don't know. The honourable thing to do in these kinds of situations is to credit the original map as inspiration, at least.

 

[Shanghai]

Ah ok sry about that i will do it. I just got the idea/inspiration from warlocks but i dident wana make it the same. Btw Warlock is more advanced then this. I wanted to make it simple. I will credit warlocks for this. And i hope people will like it.

So now added extra credits to warlocks.

In map and here.

But if you find the map boring let me know and i will remove it.

deepstrasz. if the map sucks let me know.

But i hope people will like it.

 

[Rufus]

Don't worry about the map bein a ripoff.
There are already a lot of dota ripoffs and similiar things on the hive.


However, there is still a lot to do in this map to make it good.

The abilities have several flaws:
The fireblaster ability, which shoots ice for the record, is working, but the cast range is pretty low, so you don't have to measure how far your opponent is.
Blink works fine, but the tooltip is showing talking about "Warden" not a wizard. Sloppy.
The windwalk works as intended I guess, but 15% movement isn't really a lot. Perhaps do likea 100% boost and 1 second invisibility?
Hex works I guess, but it is a little strange choice of an ability since it is only point and click, and no skill required.
The combo of those skills also fels strange.

The terrain is decent, but the ugly edges are still there on the island, as I've already told you when I reviewed blade wars. You should smooth them out.
The map is also really big, while the area you fight in is pretty small. That much space is not needed.

 

[Shanghai]

Ok i will fix following. do anyone have any better idea instead of hex ability

Also i will fix the edges. I tested to make map size smaller but it wont work as 32x32 because then the water area is to small.

 

[deepstrasz]

But if you find the map boring let me know and i will remove it

I will not be the judge of that. I am not a moderator and even if I would be the only thing I could do is put it in the Substandard/Too Simple which is not the case here.

deepstrasz. if the map sucks let me know.

It does not suck. I just didn't think it was decent to do something similar to a work without at least a hint of that work's or that creator's name when clearly it inspired you.

Ok i will fix following. do anyone have any better idea instead of hex ability

Casting time? That way it's not easy to use without endangering yourself.

Also, listen to Rufus' advice. He is a Map Moderator and has much experience in map making.

 

[Shanghai]

The abilities have several flaws:

1. The fireblaster ability, which shoots ice for the record, is working, but the cast range is pretty low, so you don't have to measure how far your opponent is. (Now has from 400 range to 800)

2. Blink works fine, but the tooltip is showing talking about "Warden" not a wizard. Sloppy. (Now named Wizard)

3. The windwalk works as intended I guess, but 15% movement isn't really a lot. Perhaps do likea 100% boost and 1 second invisibility? (Now has 50% speed bonus for 2 seconds)

4. Hex works I guess, but it is a little strange choice of an ability since it is only point and click, and no skill required. (Hex is removed)

The terrain is decent, but the ugly edges are still there on the island, as I've already told you when I reviewed blade wars. You should smooth them out. (The edges is now fixed)

The map is also really big, while the area you fight in is pretty small. That much space is not needed (Cant change to 32 size. then water are is useless. I tested).

 

[sluk]

Any update recently?

 

[Luffy]

I really like that this has AI. But still, the map has a lot of room for improvement, for sure. Let me list all of those possible improvements as I can remember them:

-Either the arena seems to be too tiny, or the knockback effect too powerful. The fight often ends with just by hitting your enemy once or twice with the breath of fire spell into the acid. For this issue, I would either recommend making the arena bigger, or decrease the knockback effect of the spell.

-Make the camera view higher. The default camera view seems to be too restrictive and it's hard to keep up and scroll around since the players tend to fly around with knockbacks. Playing with a higher camera view will be a lot easier.

-Divide the gameplay into fight sequence and market sequence. This is very important. It's almost impossible to analyze items and buy them and react to enemies at the same time, especially when the enemy resurrection cooldown is so short, too.

-The map definitely needs more spell variety. For example, you can make a "purchasable spells" system like in Warlocks, where you can buy and upgrade new spells with the gold or wood you got from the kills.

-This is a minor thing, but the AI seems to know where you are even when you have Windwalk active.


That's all for now. Like I said, I really am happy that this map has AI, which is something that Warlocks really needed. All you need to do now is, build upon that feature, and take heed to the suggestions.