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When is Blizzard going to address the elephant in the room?

Discussion in 'Patch & Reforged Discussion' started by Ababmer, Aug 28, 2020.

  1. pyf

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    I believe that since the same time period, everybody could also have downloaded v1.27a from Blizzard at no cost, to eventually install it with their valid legal RoC and TFT CD-keys (note: TFT installation not mandatory) along with the latest regular version of the game. On Windows 10 v1909 x64, I personally did not experience any of the issues I remember people pointed out in 2016 with v1.27a. it is imho best practice to install it in a separate folder than the default WC3 one, though.

    Those who preordered and were not satisfied with v1.32 soon after it shipped, got they money back if they asked for a refund. Also, there exist return/refund policies worldwide to protect the consumer, even with the buying of online goods and services, and Blizzard is complying to them afaik.
    Those who already owned a valid and legal RoC CD-key could attach it to their Battle.net account and play v1.32.0 with SD assets. Even one from 2002 afaik. For the record, in 2003 the retail price of RoC+TFT was around €100 (60+40).

    I personally have never even *installed* any v1.32.x version. But I _will_ install the most current one the day the HD assets become an optional extra download. In the meantime, I hope Blizzard will have taken the extra steps to fully support installations with both the latest current version and the legacy one they provide, plus of course any PTR for those who want to more actively help.
     
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  2. FeelsGoodMan

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    Another guy who rants about Reforged. Suck it up already.

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    Pretty much sums up my feelings about this thread.
     
  3. SharSash

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    Wait. Did you just use "reforged graphiscs" and "enchancement" in one sentence?
     
  4. Blarto

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    When will people finally get it...

    Wc3 reforged = Blizzard shut down bnet1.0 for wc3 and moved everyone to bnet2.0.

    They also raised the price (presumably) for the product to be played on bnet 2.0, because bnet2.0 service is worth more in blizzard's eyes, so they charge YOU more. On top of that, they hired/put some people to add some features to and tried to modernise graphics to "add value".

    If you have Wc3 TFT CD (which you should), you can play old version and install w/e patch/mode you want. You just cannot play on bnet1.0 with other people anymore because blizzard shut down the server. They are under no obligation to provide free hosting services to you in perpetuity, even if it was in the EULA by some miracle, which i'm sure it is not, and that EULA won't be enforceable even if it was.

    So basically Blizzard killed Wc3 1.0 online service (TFT) and replaced with with Wc3 2.0 (REFORGED). People hate Wc3 2.0 and want Wc3 1.0 back, but Blizzard won't do it because there's no profit for them. They took GIANT RISK by making Wc3 2.0, because they added many features, modernised UI, etc, and the RISK DIDN'T PAY OFF. This happens in Business. Products fail. Companies fail. People move on and try something else, or fix the failed product slowly at a later time.

    If you don't like Bnet 2.0, go learn some Chinese and install Netease client + uuu vpn and play with Chinese community. They are about 10 times more alive than wc3 bnet 2.0 anyway.
     
  5. deepstrasz

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    I'd rather wait for and support Warsmash than give any ounce of pride to China.
     
  6. pyf

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    As of this writing, WC3:R Standard Edition costs €30

    The last time I checked the Blizzard Store before Blizzard made buying Reforged mandatory, the official prices were:
    - RoC: €10
    - TFT: €10 (as a separate, optional buy)

    Besides, we know that a TFT CD-key is no longer required with recent versions of the game. Blizzard advertised it as making TFT free. I am pointing out that the definition of the word 'free' may vary from people to people, and from context to context.

    Therefore, we may consider a few scenarios:
    - Reforged = €10 RoC + €20 HD assets
    - Reforged = €20 RoC + €0 TFT + €10 HD assets
    - Reforged = €20 (RoC+TFT as non-free whatever was advertised) + €10 HD assets
    - Reforged = €15 RoC + €15 TFT + €0 HD assets (wow!)
    - Reforged = €0 RoC + €0 TFT + €30 HD assets (aaugh!)
    - v1.32 SD graphics = €10 RoC (with a legally bought CD-key from the Store, for example)
    - v1.32 SD graphics = any price ranging from €60 to <€1 (with a legally bought retail RoC CD-ROM version)
    - v1.32 SD graphics = any price ranging from €100 to <€2 (with a legally bought retail RoC+TFT CD-ROM version)

    Up to and including v1.27b.

    Single player mode is still there. And authentic LAN games are still available with previous versions of the game, like for example the official full v1.27a digital. The only problem with authentic LAN games is: do people still have friends they pay a visit to IRL?
     
  7. Blarto

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    Last time I checked (before Blizzard released Reforged), you could buy legit CD keys for TFT/ROC for 5 USD each (not directly from Blizzard store though). So 10 Euro for classic TFT+ROC seems fair.

    In other words, Blizzard's only "sin" is closing bnet 1.0, which people can get mad at, but its their servers and their IP, and that EULA people accepted when installing Wc3 for the first time probably included "Blizzard does not oblige to provide battle.net in perpetuity".

    If you still own old wc3, you dont even have to accept new EULA to use wc3 or its editor, and Blizzard is nice enough to make Bnet 2.0 wc3 back-compatible with bnet 1.0 maps.

    So really... @ THE OP ->

    "Reforged sucks" threads are old news by now. We all get it. Move on with your life.
     
  8. pyf

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    Best deal ever, from 2011

    Blizzard games - side.jpg

    :mwahaha:

    Blizzard games - front.jpg

    The full 1.27a digital version that is downloadable for free from Blizzard's own servers (even without any Battle.net account) might come in handy there, for those who do not agree with the new EULA. Plus, maps created with the 1.27a editor are to be compatible always with any current version of the game.