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What do you think of WoW's diplomacies?

Discussion in 'World of Warcraft' started by Shikage1111, Apr 23, 2008.

  1. Shikage1111

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    that'd be awesome! and it's fare cause it has 4 races per alliance :thumbs_up:
     
  2. Mecheon

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    Yaknow what? Its been a long time. I haven't torn into someone for months. I've been slacking

    Call them the Broken. Because you're not referring to those Draenei, you're refering to the Broken because the Broken are awesome

    However, here's where we get to the fun part!

    GOBLINS ARE NEUTRAL. THEY WILL NOT SIGN THEMSELVES UP WITH PEOPLE

    Especially not demonically corrupted hoof guys or elves, or monsters from the depths of the ocean. Both of those factions have little to no influence on Azeroth, and Goblins are not stupid enough to sign up with them

    You at least could have had the decency to say Pandaren or something equally stupid like that..

    By the way, the Pandaren are mainly neutral pacifists who are neutral to both Horde and Alliance, so don't even start with them either

    Oh, so no races start in Eastern Kingdoms for this group? Poor them. Or didn't you realise that the Night Elves starting in Kalimdor was the balance to the Undead?

    Also, the Goblins? They come from an island to the far south. Its called Kezan. Also, they'd still be neutral rather than throwing their lot in with a weak faction like this

    And they are. Only cause of Illidan though

    And here we get the fun part!

    Naga are completely and utterly unbalanced as characters, just like Dryads, Keepers of the Grove, dragons and some of the other hilariously overpowered races that people suggest

    Firstly, Naga are eternally loyal to Azshara. She lives in the middle of the Maelstrom. She's god damn powerful and likely to become a raid boss in due time. Way to lock an entire faction out of content
    Secondly, Naga can breathe underwater forever. This is unbalancing for some reason. Note how Undead just have a longer breath metre and not underwater breathing
    Thirdly, the difference between male and female Naga is massive. Male naga are dumb brutes, while females are crafty 4 armed sorceresses who are lacking in the physical department
    Fourthly, HOW THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO MOUNT ANYTHING? Seriously, I've been through this one thousands of times. They don't have legs, and if you're checked out their models already, you'd see how badly they wear pants or robes, and that's before they even get to actually trying to get that body mounted with a generic enough animation to not look awkward on the bugger if I know how many different types of mounts there are in game at the moment
     
  3. Gilles

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    There needs to be a subscribe method on the Hive. I would subscribe to all Mecheon posts.
     
  4. HappyTauren

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    There is thread subscription you know :p
     
  5. Perry_

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    It would have been cool to play from Illidan's side but the goblins wouldn't follow Illidan.

    If I were givin the role of designer for WC4, heres what would happen:

    Story Wise:
    -Early on the Draenei leave in their spaceship and say good bye to the Alliance, in particular the Night Elves who took them under their wing.
    -The Naga take Illidan's body to Azshara where a weird ritual is performed where he is revived and the Broken escape from Outland and build a new city in the Blasted Lands
    -Due to a diplomatic incident the Forsaken and Blood Elves unally the Horde and become a new faction
    -All followed by an epic campaign :D

    Races selectable in melee maps:
    -Humans
    -Dwarves & Gnomes (Maybe make a new name which covers both)
    -Night Elves
    -Orcs (also includes trolls)
    -Tauren
    -Forsaken
    -Blood Elves

    A Brand new, even better World Editor!

    Some nice smooth new graphics, not over the top but a nice improvement (those polygon models are getting dusty)

    One can dream :D
     
  6. VGsatomi

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    WC2?



    As for the dreanai/BE alliance, in warcraft 3....both were kind of forced into it. Kael'thas y had to be illidan's servant for the sake of gaining passage to outlands, while Akama's people were rrescued from the fel orcs by the illidan/BE alliance. Akama was a dreanai in wc3, or at least called himself that, but when WoW rolled around, him and all his people were suddenly Broken....dunno if they evolved/devolved during that time or if blizz simple decided to change their race to allow dreanai to be part of the alliance.
    -VGsatomi
     
  7. anetherond

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    I, for one, think there is nothing wrong with the current alliances (Both in the Alliance and the Horde). The Horde (means thrall) had his own interests to ally with the forsaken and the blood elves. When Brann asked him why he allied with the forsaken, "He grunted. He didn’t seem pleased about the idea either, and admitted
    he expected them to betray him, but he simply felt that he needed allies — even if those allies were not completely trustworthy."
    Thrall knows that his forces are too diminished to stand up to the combined might of the Alliance, the scourge and other organizations without outside help, and the Forsaken provide that help.

    I can't see why people feel so reluctant about the Blood Elves joining the horde either- people do desperate things in desperate times. If it so hard for you to picture the orcs and the blood elves together; try to imagine another case, where blood elves and forsaken are together. Because this is the case. The only connection Silvermoon have with the other races of the horde is through the Forsaken (Which, I assume, is reasonable enough). This can be due to many reasons, but only the fact that they are allied with the Horde can be of a great influence on the balance of power. I also believe blizzard had paid much consideration on the matter and I accept their decision.

    As for the Alliance, there is not much to say about this matter (though it has its own problems) but I will only say that the acceptation of the Draenei into the alliance is reasonable.

    So no, World of Warcraft problem is not within the structure of the factions, not my problem at least.

    Now, I have much to say about the classes and the other unplayable races, but this is another matter for another thread.
     
  8. Anything.

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    From early Horde questing in Ragefire Chasm, Thrall reveals that he likes to keep his
    enemies close because it is necessary to have bad to define what is good. In addition, the
    Forsaken, as mentioned many times before, are using the Horde's power to reclaim their
    place in Azeroth (after all, they are a sundered race that is reemerging into the world, and
    by themselves, are powerless against the Alliance and the Scourge, both of whom would
    defeat them. The Forsaken ally with the Horde because the Alliance have a hatred for the
    Undead, especially Sylvanas for destroying great numbers of Human battle camps with the
    aid of her Nathrezim allies; and the Scourge, carrying a hundredfold troops compared to the
    Deathstalkers, wishes to assimilate them into their forces. Thrall's acceptance of his
    enemies further strengthens their bonds).

    In the end, though, Trolls, Orcs, and Taurens start off Neutral with the Forsaken, and the
    Forsaken neutral with the other three. It's less of an allegiance than a neutrality, but on
    both sides, strong and valiant warriors arise to fight for their greater interest, and thus are
    able to rise up in the ranks.

    The Blood Elves have relations with the Forsaken, as the Banshee Queen was once the
    head Ranger of the Farstriders, an institution which has not yet dissipated and acts as a
    relic of the past for both groups. Naturally, the Blood Elves wish to rejoin their former
    leader in their crusade. In addition, the Blood Elves share the notion of reemerging into an
    unfriendly world, where their own kin, High Elves and Humans, have rejected them.

    Blood Elf - Horde relations are drawn from the fact that Blood Elves carry a great potential,
    having the ability to channel various schools of magic adeptly from their gifted lineage.
    Their relationship is greatly born from the Blood Elves' reunion with the Forsaken.

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    Draenei: Blizzard reaaaalllly needed a new race to counterbalance the Blood Elves, so they
    developed some lore about how they had to flee from Draenor, crash landing near Night
    Elven Teldrassil. Blizzard says that the Draenei choose to ally with the Alliance because
    they share a certain valor and divine respect for their foes and allies alike.

    Gnomes in WC3 were hiding, creating new inventions, such as the Steam Tank or the
    Gyrocopter. They were there. Just too small.
     
  9. Mecheon

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    WC2 is the reason why they don't ally with people any more. Goblins learned their lesson the hard way