[Altered Melee] WC3: Orcs & Humans

[loktar]

• WC1 in WC3 style
• Less symmetric tech tree, stats similar to WC3
• Two heroes per race
• Some other changes from WC1

When the map is ready for release, I will probably also make a purist version with the purist versions of the buildings, and tech trees closer to the original (e.g. no heroes, conjurer/warlock trained at church/temple, ...). No walls or roads though.

I may add High Elves and Forest Trolls as playable races once Orcs and Humans are done.

I'd love to get some feedback on balance, the AI, and any bugs or issues you may find.


Tech Tree

Town Hall/Great Hall

Farm

Altar of Light/Altar of Blood

Barracks

Lumber Mill

Blacksmith

Scout Tower/Watch Tower

Stables/Kennel

Conjuring Tower/Doom Tower

Peasant/Peon

Champion/Chieftain

Apprentice/Assassin

Taunt Nearby enemy units are forced to attack the hero.	War Stomp Slams the ground, stunning and damaging nearby enemy land units.
Devotion Aura Gives additional armor to nearby friendly units.	Endurance Aura Increases the movement speed and attack rate of nearby friendly units.
Cleaving Attack The hero strikes with such force that he damages multiple enemies with his attack.	Bash Gives a chance that an attack will do bonus damage and stun an opponent.
Battle Roar Requires Level 6 Gives nearby friendly units bonus attack damage.	War Cry Requires Level 6 Reduces attack damage of nearby enemy units.

Brilliance Aura Gives additional mana regeneration to nearby friendly units.	Evasion Gives a percent chance to avoid attacks.
Fireball Hurls a fiery ball that damages and stuns a target enemy unit.	Deadly Poison Hurls a poisoned dagger which deals large initial damage, and then deals damage over time. The poisoned unit has its movement speed slowed for a short duration.
Polymorph Turns a target enemy unit into a sheep. The targeted unit retains its hit points and armor, but cannot attack.	Shadowstep Teleports the hero behind a target enemy unit and briefly increases movement speed.
Blizzard Requires Level 6 Calls down freezing ice shard waves; each wave deals damage to units in an area.	Sprint Requires Level 6 Increases movement speed.

Footman/Grunt

Crossbowman/Spearman

Knight/Raider

Catapult

Requires Lumber Mill

Requires Blacksmith, Stables/Kennel

Requires Lumber Mill, Blacksmith

Ranged Weapons

1

Iron Bolts

Iron Spears

Requires Blacksmith

2

Steel Bolts

Steel Spears

Requires Blacksmith

Requires Lumber Mill

Melee Weapons

Armor

1

Iron Melee Weapons

Iron Melee Weapons

2

Steel Melee Weapons

Steel Melee Weapons

1

Iron Plating

Iron Armor

2

Steel Plating

Steel Armor

Requires Lumber Mill, Blacksmith

Animal Breeding

1

Improved Horse Breeding

Improved Wolf Breeding

2

Advanced Horse Breeding

Advanced Wolf Breeding

Requires Blacksmith

Requires Lumber Mill

Cleric/Necrolyte

Conjurer/Warlock

Cleric Training/Necrolyte Training

Conjurer Training/Warlock Training

Heal Heals a target friendly non-mechanical wounded unit.	Raise Dead Raises a skeleton from a corpse.
Far Sight Requires Cleric Adept Training Reveals the area of the map that it is cast upon. Also reveals invisible units.	Dark Vision Requires Necrolyte Adept Training Reveals the area of the map that it is cast upon. Also reveals invisible units.
Invisibility Requires Cleric Master Training Makes a unit invisible. If the unit attacks, uses an ability or casts a spell, it will become visible.	Unholy Armor Requires Necrolyte Master Training Makes a target unit invulnerable, at the cost of half the unit's hit points.

Requires Blacksmith

Summon Scorpion Summons a poisonous scorpion.	Summon Spider Summons a poisonous spider.
Rain of Fire Requires Conjurer Adept Training Calls down waves of fire that damage units in an area.	Poison Cloud Requires Warlock Adept Training Damages everything in its area of effect.
Summon Water Elemental Requires Conjurer Master Training Summons a water elemental.	Summon Doom Guard Requires Warlock Master Training Marks a target unit for the manifestation of a Demon. The afflicted unit cannot cast spells and will take damage until it dies. Upon its death, a great Demon will spawn from its corpse. Cannot be dispelled or cancelled.

1

Cleric Adept Training

Necrolyte Adept Training

2

Cleric Master Training

Necrolyte Master Training

Requires Blacksmith

1

Conjurer Adept Training

Warlock Adept Training

Requires Blacksmith

2

Conjurer Master Training

Warlock Master Training

Requires Blacksmith

Credits

Models

Icons

My resources

AndrewOverload519	Human Catapult	Human Catapult
Stefan.K	Apprentice	Hero_Khadgar (edited)
Tauer	Champion Chieftain Assassin	Anduin Lothar (edited) Orgrim Doomhammer (edited) GaronaHalforcen
Ujimasa Hojo	Basis for model edits	Peasant (Optimized) Farm (Human, Optimized) Altar of Kings (Optimized) Altar of Storms (Optimized) Barracks (Human, Optimized) Footman (Optimized) Grunt (Optimized) Villager (Male, Optimized) Knight (Optimized) Raider (Optimized) Mage (Human, Optimized) Shaman (Optimized) Necromancer (Optimized)

AndrewOverload519	Human Catapult	BTNHumanCatapult
Artork312	Cleric Necrolyte Conjurer Unholy Armor Poison Cloud	BTNWC1ClericRemastered BTNOldschoolNecrolyte BTNWC1ConjurerRemastered BTNWC1UnholyArmorRemastered BTNCloudOfPoisonHD
bu3ny	Far Sight	Human Far Sight
The Panda	War Stomp	BTNBash
Sin'dorei300	Assassin	BTNGarona
stonneash	War Cry	OrcishSteroid
World of Warcraft	Apprentice Evasion Deadly Poison Shadowstep Sprint Scorpion Rain of Fire	Khadgar Evasion Deadly Poison Shadowstep Sprint Scorpion / Scorpid Rain of Fire

Town Hall (WC1) Peasant (WC1) Human Farm (WC1 & WC2) Human Altars Anduin Lothar Human Barracks (WC1) Footman (Kul Tiras, WC1, WC2) Footman (WC1) Crossbowman (WC1 Archer) Knight, Bandit Lord & Riderless Horse (WC1 & WC2) Knight & Bandit Lord (WC1) Human Lumber Mill (WC1) Conjuring Tower (WC1 Human Tower) Cleric (WC1) Conjurer (WC1) Arachnathid (Optimized) & Scorpion

Great Hall (WC1) Peon (Optimized & WC1) Orc Farm (WC1) Altar of Blood (WC1) Orgrim Doomhammer Orc Barracks (WC1) Grunt (Optimized, WC1, WC2 & Captured) Chaos Grunt Green Spearman (WC1) Raider (WC1) Chaos Raider Green Orc Catapult (WC1) Orc Lumber Mill (WC1) Doom Tower (WC1 Orc Tower) Necrolyte (WC1) Dark Vision

Spoiler: Changelog

2021-01-05
- Updated Human Lumber Mill
- Updated Conjurer icon
- Removed upgrades from Human Lumber Mill
- New path texture and other shadow texture for Human Lumber Mill

2020-12-19
- Added Scorpion

2020-12-14
- Added Conjurer
- Changed Conjurer soundset
- Updated Necrolyte model

2020-12-02
- New icons: Apprentice, Assassin, Cleric, Unholy Armor
- Updated Conjurer icon

2020-11

2020-11-29
- New icons: Unholy Armor, Conjurer, Rain of Fire, Poison Cloud
- New effects: Unholy Armor, Dark Vision
- Updated: Crossbowman icon, Spearman icon, Dark Vision icon
- Far Sight/Dark Vision now based on Far Sight instead of Reveal
- Soundset changes

2020-11-27
- Changed Conjuring Tower soundset to MageTower
- Changed Doom Tower soundset to TempleOfTheDamned
- Modified Cleric and Necrolyte soundsets
- Added custom missiles for Cleric and Necrolyte
- Added icon for Dark Vision

2020-11-17
- Modified Crossbowman and Spearman soundsets
- Updated Conjuring Tower model/icon
- Updated Cleric icon

2020-11-16
- New Grunt and Raider icons
- Raider now has black wolf
- Modified Footman soundset
- Improved footman face

2020-11-15
- Fixed Champion's Taunt above level 1 affecting friendly units
- Fixed Chieftain's War Cry damage reduction percentage
- Fixed Assassin's Evasion DISPASBTN
- New icon for Necrolyte
- New soundset for Chieftain, Apprentice and Assassin
- Modified Champion soundset
- Changed Deadly Poison effects
- Changed Apprentice proper names to Archmage's

2020-11-14
- Added Necrolyte
- Fixed Orc Farm selection sound
- Changed Altar of Blood soundset to AltarOfDarkness

2020-11-05
- Added Cleric & Far Sight icon

2020-01 -- 2020-10

2020-10-28
- Added Doom Tower

2020-09-26
- Renamed Holy Tower to Conjuring Tower
- Added Conjuring Tower

2020-09-21
- Added Apprentice & Ability icons
- Added Assassin & Ability icons

2020-09-14
- Added Chieftain & Ability icons

2020-09-13
- Added Champion & Ability icons

2020-09-10
- Added Altar of Blood

2020-09-04
- Added Altar of Light

2020-09-01
- Added Orc Lumber Mill
- Crossbowman: Increased damage and decreased food cost
- Warlock: Increased Summon Doom Guard cast time and cooldown

2020-08-26
- Updated Crossbowman
- Grunt model is now actually being used xD

2020-08-23
- Added Human Lumber Mill
- Updated some resources to latest versions

2020-05-17
- Added Orc Catapult

2020-05-16
- Added Spearman icon
- Changed Spearman soundset
- Added Raider
- Added Human Catapult

2020-05-14
- Added Crossbowman (renamed from Archer) and Spearman (no icon yet)
- Crossbowman base unit changed to high elf archer

2020-04-14
- New version for Footman
- Added Grunt

2020-04-05
- Added orc Barracks
- Updated some resources to newer versions

2020-03-25
- Forgot to import the human farm + icon
- Added human Barracks

2020-03-23
- Added Farms
- Updated all resources to latest version
- Base unit for Orc Farm is now Pig Farm (AI script updated accordingly)

2020-02-20
- Added Great Hall
- Removed Conjurer (will be replaced with a different model later)

2020-02-07
- Added Peon & Town Hall
- Arcane/Dark Tower renamed to Holy/Doom Tower

2020-01-30
- Reverted to Custom dataset
- Some small tweaks/changes/fixes to tech tree
- Added Peasant model & icon

 

[Stefan.K]

I'm going to try this out. Seems interesting.

 

[loktar]

Cool, thanks! Keep in mind the balance and AI has not been tested, so probably a lot of room for improvement there

BTW, I'm thinking of adding two more races when orcs and humans are done. Probably forest trolls, maybe ogres, but I'm not sure. Can't really think of any others that fit the theme.

 

[Stefan.K]

That's nice to hear, looking forward to see more races than!

 

[loktar]

Cool =) Let me know what you think when you've tried out the map =)

 

[stein123]

BTW, I'm thinking of adding two more races when orcs and humans are done. Probably forest trolls, maybe ogres, but I'm not sure. Can't really think of any others that fit the theme.

Well, since its a wc1/2 map, dwarves and high elves (and maybe gnomes) for alliance, and ogres and forest trolls for horde (maybe goblins too) as extra races

 

[loktar]

Dwarves and high elves weren't really that much involved in the first war though right? Maybe it's not so important anyway, high elves and trolls kinda feels like the best choice.

 

[stein123]

In WC1, there were only humans, orcs, and creeps (an ogre, a couple thieves, a demon, etc); lorewise, heck even the draenei X'D

 

[deepstrasz]

lorewise, heck even the draenei X'D

In Warcraft II's manual, however.

 

[loktar]

I'll probably go with elves and trolls then But first try to complete the humans and orcs xD

 

[deepstrasz]

I'd go with slimes xD

 

[loktar]

That's just silly

I wanted to say something even sillier but I can't think of anything xD

 

[deepstrasz]

I wanted to say something even sillier but I can't think of anything xD

If there was anything sillier than that in Orcs & Humans. But, Slimes can eat half or more of your army if not properly fought.

 

[loktar]

Actually it would be cool to have a slime race, with big balls of slime as buildings, and smaller blobs kind of droop out of it when units are trained

 

[deepstrasz]

Would look pretty monotonous though Adds to the camouflage I guess.

 

[loktar]

Lol yeah, would require a lot of creativity to make different buildings and units look... different

 

[SerenityInFire]

In speaking of slimes, weren't there slimes as creeps in WarCraft 1?

 

[Planetary]

In speaking of slimes, weren't there slimes as creeps in WarCraft 1?

Hidden

 

[deepstrasz]

weren't there slimes as creeps in WarCraft 1?

Obviously what we were discussing. There are none in Warcraft II.

 

[loktar]

And in WC3 they're back as sludge. Don't remember what they're called in WoW

 

[stein123]

And in WC3 they're back as sludge. Don't remember what they're called in WoW

Slim shady :B

 

[deepstrasz]

Slim shady :B

Spoiler

 

[loktar]

xD will the real sludge shady please stand up?

 

[deepstrasz]

xD will the real sludge shady please stand up?

Will the real Slime Shady, please sludge up, please sludge up.
I repeat.
Will the real Slime Shady, please sludge up, please sludge up.
We're gonna have a problem here.

 

[loktar]

small update, added human lumber mill

 

[noob]

According to the descriptions the orc armies seems significantly stronger than the human ones(higher overall hp per food cost especially for the ranged option: the human ranged option costs 3 food for 310 hp).
Are not the orc spells a slight bit overkill on top of the numerically superior units?(condemnation and unholy armour seems very strong)
Also their town hall is cheaper and their food per spent resources much higher(thanks to their farms).
yes their unit production buildings are sightly more expensive but I have an hard time believing it compensates the cheaper town halls and cheaper food.

 

[loktar]

Hmm yeah, the food cost for the crossbowman should probably be 2, and the damage increased (current stats should be the same as the WC3 high elf archer). Otherwise the stats are the same as the WC3 counterparts though.

Not sure about the casters though, the spells that are different come at the cost of unit HP and more mana, so I feel (in the absence of actual testing) that it's somewhat balanced.
Or did you mean hero abilities?

 

[noob]

Whenever summon demon is balanced or not depends a lot on the casting time: spells that gets rid of a target usually have high casting times to compensate or are hero abilities (ex: banshees takes a significant time to cast possession while the pit lord and dark ranger gets their get rid of target abilities only at level 6)

 

[loktar]

Right, that makes sense, I'll increase the cast time/cooldown on that.

Edit: add orc lumber mill and tweaked balance

 

[loktar]

All heroes and their icons have been added. Next up, the Towers =)

 

[loktar]

Bump, lots of changes/new stuff in the past two months =)

 

[BaiyuGalan]

Can I translate your map into Chinese? Upload to China's website. Thank you

 

[loktar]

Sure, go ahead, but please add a link to this thread
Keep in mind it's not finished though.

 

[BaiyuGalan]

OK,I will. But I can't open the map.

 

[loktar]

It can only be opened in 1.31+ for now, later I'll probably make a version for lower patches.

 

[BaiyuGalan]

OK.We Chinese players use 1.27.Thanks again!