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Reforged Warcraft III Reforged - Community Feedback

Discussion in 'Patch & Reforged Discussion' started by Archian, Nov 4, 2018.

  1. Sxar

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    Multi-training unit button like AOE3 and unit command button to command and deploy possition of huge armies like total war games frandchise: basically hold right click to draw a line where the units will move and rotate at the end increasing the line will make it lighter or even separate units. Unit formations like AOE2 would be great too.

    Buildings destruction like AOE3 where the building gets damaged by cannons.
    Also fire for buildings if they are attacked by fire units but just smoke if it's attacked by raiders or swords.
    Workers repairing inside the buildings.
     
  2. stan0033

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    • I really hope Blizzard gives us in Reforged in the terrain editor a tool to put markers on the terrain that are only informative and do not actually get included in the game, to help the mapmaker make better calculations and to better plan the map, like LABELS and NUMBERS, and RULER, SEPARATORS(like in SC2 editor), event PRIMITIVE SHAPES,and whatever you think of
     
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  3. chessboxing

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    Hello,


    I would like to suggest a few changes to game Audio Settings and Sound Options to be implemented in future patches of Warcraft 3 and Warcraft 3 Reforged:


    There are currently (version 1.30.2) no options to separately regulate the different game sounds volume levels.

    Game sounds could be grouped as follows:

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    1. Notifications and Responses:

    * Game Voice Notifications (resource notifications / base and combat event notifications) - no option to turn On/Off separately. Basically these are On if Game Sounds are on (Master Volume).

    * Unit Responses / Unit Speech (can be turned On/Off, but if turned Off players no longer receive notifications when building/training units - this could be added to Building sounds or as separate option)

    * Building Sounds - (can be turned On/Off, provides notification for research, but not for trained units)


    2. In Game Sounds:

    * Ambient sounds,
    * Environmental effects,
    * Movement sounds

    * Game Combat Sounds
    * Unit Ability sounds


    3. Game Music (regulated separately)

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    Additional Checkbox options and Sliders in Sound Options to separately regulate some or all of the sound types could improve game audio:

    All In Game sounds categories (1. Notifications and Responses and 2. In Game sounds ) are all at once affected by the game Master Volume (Game Sounds volume).

    However in game there is a difference in their volume levels and it happens that the overall volume level of the Unit/Hero Speech and Game Voice Notifications is around 150% compared to In Game Sounds (combat sounds, ambient sounds, environmental effects, movement sounds and ability sounds etc.).

    As Speech and Voice notifications override the rest of the game sounds - they affect game atmosphere since they occur all the time throughout the game during unit control.

    Normally each Unit/Hero repeats 2 or 3 default phrases for Select/Action - which gets repeated throughout the whole game while overriding other game sounds in terms of volume (a few additional response variations per Unit/Hero could also improve game audio if added to the default responses).


    This is especially noticeable when instead of a headset, for example an audio system with Subwoofer is used.



    Currently in order to be able to hear In Game sounds properly due to high Hero/Unit Speech volume (and still not have too high Speech volume) - players have 2 options:

    1. Either to lower game Master volume (In Game sounds will have even lower volume in this way).

    or

    2. Turn off Unit Responses (and Unit Speech) completely (unable to get notifications for new units built/trained).


    Turning off the Unit Responses option - all game ambient, weather sounds, movement sounds and combat sounds can now be heard at 100% - the in game atmosphere can now be heard better and even allows overall game Master volume to be increased by the player (overall game audio is more quiet now).

    The Voice Notifications (resource notifications / base and combat event notifications) in this mode are still On however and still have higher volume (around 150%) than other In Game sounds. An option could be added to turn Game Voice Notifications On/Off with a separate checkbox and also a slider to regulate the volume.


    Unit Responses are essential to gameplay - especially for melee gameplay, where players need to have the Unit building/training sounds On (unit training complete) upgrade sounds etc. If Unit Responses is turned Off completely - with no sound notification for new units that are built - this impacts melee gameplay significantly.


    If possible an option to separately turn On/Off for Unit Responses/Speech, Unit Training Sounds and Voice Notifications (even set separate volume levels via sliders) would be very useful.
    Volumes of Unit Speech/Responses, Training sounds and Voice notifications could be regulated separately in Sound Settings to allow the rest of the game sounds to be properly heard.


    For example for every checkbox in the sound Options menu - there could be a slider to regulate the volume separately:
    Unit Responses; Building Sounds, Ambient sounds; Game sounds (Combat and Ability sounds); Weather Effects, Music As well as Master Volume that would affect all settings.

    In this way players can customize the game audio to better hear the combat, movement and ambient sounds, while still have the Building Sounds, Unit Training Notifications, Unit/Hero Responses and Speech On, but with slightly lower volume.


    Alternatively - trained units notifications could be included to Building Sounds - sound notifications when a new unit is built could occur as notifications for Building/Research complete.

    Unit Responses option in Sound Options could be changed to turn On/Off only Unit Speech (only when a unit is selected and commands are issued) - not affecting new trained units.



    Additional Unit sounds:

    Movement sounds:
    Currently only some unit types have specific footsteps effects. Smaller units and some Hero types do not have footsteps effects on different terrain.
    In water areas all units have footstep effect.
    Additional footsteps effects could be added for all units and also filters could be implemented for different terrain types:
    Dirt / Grass / Snow / Desert / Stone etc.



    Additional sound effect presets could be implemented (could be optional, possibly player customizable):
    * for Hero/Unit/Item Auras (different sound effects)
    * for buildings (ambient building sounds or sound effects when a building is producing units)
    * for units like the Orc Kodo Beast (different rhythm patterns or drum pitch options)



    Optional Visual Effects:

    Additional visual effects related to Unit Health - similar to the building damage effect.


    Options for in game toggle of Show Unit Health Bars
    Using shortcuts that would allow to toggle different Health Bars of units On/Off in game - without having to switch to Game Menu (for example Ctrl+[ for allied units // Ctrl+] for enemy units and another shortcut for all units). Currently this can be used when pressing ALT for all, [ for allied and ] for enemy units, but there is no option to toggle the settings using a shortcut as for example turning On/Off Sound (Ctrl+S) and Music (Ctrl+M).





    All the best
    :psmile:
     
  4. Rui

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    You guys are kinda overboard with your hopes if you think Blizzard would change the campaigns like that :p. I think we'll see small changes, but Jaina picking up Frostmourne or Grom rejecting the blood pact is so not going to happen. And I highly doubt the majority of people would enjoy those retcons anyway.
     
  5. Deolrin

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    1) Unit Portraits & Characterisation - This is perhaps my biggest gripe with the build we've been exposed to. In Warcraft 3 Classic, every unit had personality and character - this was expressed largely through an emotive, expressive Unit Portrait, which always corresponded to fantastic voice acting. Elements were exaggerated - the Peon's and Peasant's large, orb eyes made them look stupid, the Goblin Alchemist's feet draped around his Ogre mount made him seem completely in control and uncaring about his unwitting "companion". There were other elements of characterisation in those portraits - Troll creeps were visibly cunning and smug looking, smiling slyly at the player. Grunts grimaced, exposing their teeth. Sometimes, the Sorceress would hover slightly higher in her portrait, centring the camera on her breasts - she would then come down and visibly reprimand the player for "staring" - and the list goes on and on.
    Those little details allowed each unit to feel unique and to have a sort of personality to them - the same applies to Starcraft 2's portraits, to some extent - and I feel that this is severely lacking in the Reforged version that we've been shown. Warcraft 3 has always been full of life and character, and to have a dull camera and a barely animated view of each individual character feels extremely cheap and blank. I sincerely hope that this point is addressed before release.

    2) Terrain / Unit / Building Inconsistency - Based on the screenshots and the gameplay videos we've seen, there is a very big problem related to the contrast between the high-definition models and the outdated environments. This seems to be caused by an overall lack of attention to the modernisation of the environments - a few things that can be done include randomised shrubbery / rocks / small details on the tiles themselves (not as doodads), more advanced terrain tiles (akin to work done in substance painter?), better and more interesting variations of doodads (trees should not be resized clones of eachother, but have unique details such as empty branches, differently coloured leaves, etc), and an easier transition between buildings and doodads and their underlying terrain (trees should have leaves / roots underneath them, buildings should have "splats" similar to those already featured in Classic WC3, but higher definition). These features should be seamlessly integrated into classic Warcraft 3 maps as they don't mess with any existing objects.

    3) Lighting - Warcraft 3's lighting engine is highly outdated. As a matter of fact, it was outdated even when it came out. Ensemble Studios' Age of Mythology managed to create a much better implemented lighting engine around the same time Warcraft 3 came out. To strive for a more modern appearance, something should be done about the lighting. Better shadows, more obvious transition from day to night, without harming the visual clarity (team colour and unit shapes come to mind as potential issues) would be incredible. Moreover, give map developers access to much more powerful lighting options, greatly improving the appearance of custom maps. Lighting dictates a lot in terms of visual fidelity.
     
  6. Sxar

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    Units with slighty diferences between them: In Medieval II Total War for example, they designed a system where the models of a unit (group of units) swap parts of a set (heads, arms, legs, chest) creating a unique combination of soldiers for that unit. In our case would be something like, you create a footman, then the footman have his armour but someone have the helmet, others don't or a variation; a few have a short cape or even tabards... so once you select them they are all footmen right but slighty different between them.
     
  7. HateCrew

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    That sort of thing is implemented in starcraft 2 for dark templars, i think they had 2 or 3 model variations with different weapons and maybe a bit different armor...
     
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    That reminds me:
    Submodels, a la GoldSrc/Source: Models could have multiple submodels that can swapped out with triggers and the Art - section of the Unit Editor but still use the same skeleton. So Orc grunts could have submodels that corresponded with the different clans, like with the models of Gandulfo, Ujimasa Hojo etc. This is already kind of present in WC3 where throwing weapons and lumber and gold bags and the like are only rendered during certain animations, but it'd be nice to have more control over that stuff.

    Speaking of, if the Gold and Lumber models could be seperated from the models and made part of the gather ability, that'd make things a whole lot cleaner for custom race makers.

    Custom sound sets should be implementable through simple text files, i.e. you write the paths of the soundfiles you use for each response (and are free to choose how many what, pissed, attack etc. files you want to use). This way, you can use voice clips from units already in the game, but exclude clips that contradict the lore of your unit, for instance (so we won't have racist worgen in custom race maps or ordinary units claiming their father to be a king)

    Death Sound should also be choosable, rather than bound to the model (and it would be great if more death sounds were implemented for the same unit)

    Decay Time would also be appreciated if made editable per unit type rather than primarily controlled by global triggers (So buildings without traditional death animations could be made to disappear on death rather than hanging around for an undeterminable amount of time)

    A birth size value for buildings, allowing the user to have a building grow from one size to another upon construction like they do when upgraded, or in the animations of Night Elf Buildings, would probably be too nitpicky to ask. Instead, like how I proposed an interpolated/smooth movement function, an interpolated/smooth size change function would also be greatly appreciated.
     
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  9. Michael Peppers

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    Give us ways to disable some blizzard.j code without having to replace that with our own and create all sorts of compatibility issues with updates. Also, is there a specific .j file that gets loaded after blizzard.j but before anything else? If there's none please make that happen.
     
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    Despite the fact that the original official requirements for WC3 were a "8 MB 3D video card [...] with DirectX® 8.1 support", the list of supported video cards show that Blizzard was targeting Direct3D 6.0 / OpenGL 1.2 compliant 3D accelerated hardware from the 1998-2000s era, such as (at worst) the Nvidia Riva TNT, the Intel i810 family of chipsets, the 3dfx Voodoo3, or the ATI Rage 128. Blame a four year development cycle which started in 1998, for a different kind of game.


    The minimum DirectX version required for Age of Mythology and its BANG! Engine in 2002 was DirectX 9.0 afaik. The game also required a 16 MB 3D-accelerated video card iirc. In 2014, 'Age of Mythology: Extended Edition' improved the rendering of water and lighting (among other things).
     
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    Image Functions Suggestion:
    Not sure if image function has been mentioned in the thread, but it would be nice if we didn't have to manually remove alpha channels on every single image just to use image function. These black bars will appear with all images unless you remove alpha channel. It's pretty annoying.
     

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    this so much

    In the same vein, I really hope they keep the animated main menu and the fully animated 3D menu backgrounds (not the more static backgrounds seen in WoW and most of its expansions).
     
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    • I think Blizzard should include in their game melee maps made by the community, and include melee maps in the updates by the community.
     
  14. deepstrasz

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    They're already doing it...

    EDIT: look into Maps/Frozen Throne/Community
     
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    Custom weather effects! Or just more options to choose from
     
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    Any info about official hive's community feedback letter to Blizzard ?
     
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    You need to summon @Archian.
     
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    Ok. Arian - I summon you.
     
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    Hi Pete Stilwell,

    I do hope that warcraft 3 reforged would include the following details which would definitely make warcraft 3 reforged an improved and more fun game.

    1) New races in reforged:

    Having a new race or 2 would definitely create the new hype for more people to explore as some may be good in orcs or other races already and new players may be able to start off with new races as a way to compete with the older players.
    This would also create the hype which is the same as warcraft 3 first launch release.
    We believe that the ideas could be drawn out from the races from world of warcraft which would eventually be a good idea to be used in the reforged.

    2) Character design :

    The characters could be made more cooler and cuter as the game shouldn't be too serious.
    The current paladin and main character didn't look as cute or fun as the old hero during the blizzard convention showcase.
    We do hope that the game wouldn't look to be too serious as it's really missing the key points of warcraft 3, which it's key elements are fun, funny, competitive and looks cool to play with.
    The previous version had all the key components in which makes it a very successful game.
    As we do hope the newer version would simply have new competitive maps for 1v1 and 2v2 as most competitive plays focuses on these 2 arenas.
    Just please don't make another dota 2 character as dota 2 really makes warcraft 3 looks bad.
    My hopes have always been that warcraft 3 have a whole list of characters which looks really cool and we hope for more to come.

    3) Item shop:

    We do hope also that item shops would provide items that certain race could benefit from.
    For instance certain items would be good for certain race or certain heroes or probably new items such as

    4) Tavern shop:

    Tavern shops could easily reuse heroes from world of warcraft as new heroes to be played in competitve maps during 1v1 or 2v2.

    5) New heroes :


    New heroes could be created from world of warcraft or heroes from the storm and inputted into the hero list for the current races.
    Probably blizzard could help to improve in the character design but using back skills from heroes from the storm.

    6) Race frame missing in game:

    The frame for the race during the hero's being clicked went missing, as it was really warcraft 3's icon which stands out and shouldn't be removed.
    For instance when you use nightelf, you'll see leave box up frame around your character or building that you clicked.
    That frame shouldn't be removed, however should be improved with nicer design i feel.
    It was really warcraft 3 iconic design and if you remove it, everyone will know that this isn't warcraft at all.

    7) hero's combo :
    We do hope that new units or new heroes could help to improve in the combo during the battles.
    in the past, we have orcs where witch doctor's static trap & farseer's lightning with tarun chieftan's wave could easily take out undead's mass fiend's combo.
    We hope that either elements could be added that probably new units could help to balance the game better or so or probably could fortify new strategies in play.
    Just don't create new units that are redundant and unpopular in game.

    8) design of game should be similar to heroes of the storm :

    Design of game should be similar to heroes of storm as their grasses and landscape looks really perfect for warcraft 3 reforged to be used.
    Obviously if warcraft 3 reforged uses heroes of the storm landscape or trees or buildings in warcraft 3 reforged, it would look perfect!
    Heroes of the storm's color and character design suits warcraft 3 reforged perfectly.
    IF warcraft 3 reforged were to use this interface as a guideline they will definitely reach higher heights with it!
    Even the skills of heroes in heroes of the storm, could be even brought over to warcraft 3 reforged nicely as new skills or unit skills which have never been done before but only been used in dota games.
    Actually, heroes of the storm operating system is perfectly fine for warcraft 3 reforged as their character design and colors of the landscape is perfectly good to be used for warcraft 3 reforged even the size of the chracter is perfect.

    9) Races additional points :
    My take for this would be warcraft 3 reforged could use skills from heroes of the storm to be used to create new unit's skills and new units.

    10) Maps
    Maps could be improved like using map that could include japanese trees or such as other trees or landscape that you could find in this link below.


    11) Introduction illustration :
    The illustration and story telling in campaign mode should be like the ones from heroes of the storm or could follow the explanation from this link.


    Even the buildings look perfect for warcraft 3 reforged.



    I've always been a core hard fan for warcraft 3 but the hype died off in the past.
    We really hope that you'll look into this feedback for more ideas and hope that warcraft 3 reforged would be the perfect game for the future.

    Best Regards,
    James
     
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