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United States Presidential Election 2016

Discussion in 'Medivh's Tower' started by StoPCampinGn00b, Oct 13, 2016.

  1. Gismo359

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    Trump seems like a huge asshole but he really isnt trying to hide it. On the other hand, Hillary should actually be in jail, and is an incredibly hypocritical - half of the stuff Trump has said, Hillary has said in the past. Not to mention the "sniper fire" in Bosnia.
    I mean, who is she trying to fool? And how are people actually believing her? Makes me think like it is either completely rigged, or the voters are complete retards.
    If I could vote, I would vote for Trump because he is the lesser of the two evils
     
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  2. Dr Super Good

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    She has committed no crimes though. Her email server scandal is trivial, being more a cause for disciplinary action for a violation of a recently introduced protocol that could have, but did not, leak classified or top secret emails.

    English?

    I am pretty sure Hillary did not go around bragging that she could sexually harass female models due to being a celebrity.

    Never heard of that. Probably something else that is trivial.

    More people than Trump is.

    The bigger question is how is anybody believing Trump? Trump is so bad he even managed to chase Nigel Farage away from his party and that guy just loves political movements like Trump's.

    Well the fact someone then says this...
    Seems to leave no doubt about the mental state of the voters!

    The answer is pretty simple... Vote for Hillary then in the next 4 years vote for someone else if she is not doing a good enough job. Both parties will have different candidates then to choose from.
     
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    It is curious that sincerity nowadays is seen as such a top quality. I agree it should be a plus, especially in politics, but that does not excuse everything. I really doubt his communication is going to better towards anything. Comments of the likes of «I'm going to build a wall» between USA and everything southwards is bound to piss people off. And I'm not thinking of America only.

    Honestly I've stopped listening to him and forgot most of what he's been saying now that he's apparently been defeated. Every new idea that he proclaimed made me more afraid of seeing him as president of the most powerful country in the world. Clinton, while hardly better, at least appears slightly saner.
     
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    How is keeping classified emails on a private server trivial? More so, deleting 30 thousand of them? She had hundreds(700 I believe) just in 2011 but less than 100 in the next few years combined?

    No, but she is married to a man who has actually done it.

    Hypocritical. Yeah, typo but you get the point.


    Because he is the only other option. It is obvious that if Hillary doesnt win, its gonna be Trump.

    She also isnt helping herself:
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    Because they probably resemble the candidate they vote for!
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    Or they could pick a mentally sane person? Someone who can actually walk, talk, remember and act even close to normal?
    Sure, he is an idiot but there is more reason to believe that he cares about the country's well-being compared to her.
     
  5. Dr Super Good

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    It was allowed up to the year before she became vice president. Although the act could have been not trivial it turned out it was as there is no evidence that any of the top secret and classified emails were leaked when on the server or that if any were that any damage was done. She is also a lawyer so one can expect reduced sentences automatically (like how Trump gets very reduced sentences due to hiring very good lawyers).

    Only a few hundred were classified or top secret. The rest she was allowed to delete like how everyone is allowed to delete their own emails from their own servers. The fact they were deleted around the time of the investigation can be considered a bit iffy. However the investigation was into the risk she posed to national security and so deleting the emails can have a small positive spin.

    Any crimes your marriage partner commits are not related to you at all. Unless you were aware of them or information related to them before the police found out.

    Also outside of having an affair (not sexual harassment) while in office Bill Clinton has not been found guilty of any other offences. Trump on the other hand has 11 outstanding sexual harassment cases and has admitted to committing, or having the intent to commit such crimes on un-edited video footage.

    The problem people have with Trumps wall is not the concept of the wall. It is the fact he wants to force another country to pay for it. The problem people had with Hillary's wall is that it is majorly incomplete (only around some cities) and a huge waste in tax payers money, which is what Trump's wall will do big time because the Mexicans will never pay for it as they cannot be forced to do so. Her wall has worked for the purposes it was created, those cities no longer see large numbers of illegal migrants crossing.

    Lying for 15 minutes straight is a big deal? Donald Trump lied for 20+ minutes straight in each of the 3 debates and lied for 30+ minutes straight each time he appears at one of his rallies.

    Maybe both will one day grow up and take the example of United Kingdom politicians. They lie four hours on end without even breaking a sweat!

    Well I guess that is slightly positive because who would want to look or act like Donald Trump. The world is bad enough as it is without 50+ million more of him.

    Exactly, Hillary Clinton. Trump's character is far from sane and one of the independent people has no idea about geography or modern politic . I mean who in their right mind goes putting their name over everything and spends hours every day staring at magazines, newspapers and videos mentioning or showing themselves.

    Yup unfortunately Hillary is the closest to match that. At least she is grown up unlike Trump who acts like some big spoilt kid all the time. The way he acted during the debates was just embarrassing, as if he never bothered to read anything about how to debate. This is why one goes to school to learn skills like basic arithmetic and how to debate.

    He will care for the country just like he cared for his companies. Slap his name on it and drive it bankrupt. Instead of causing misery to tens of thousands of people you are looking at tens of millions of people. He hates the United States of America so much he refuses to pay taxes in the country while having no problem taking money from the government for his companies.

    Hillary at least knows how to represent a country. She looks and acts like a country figure head, even if her decisions might not be perfect. As opposed to Trump who acts like a spoilt kid and makes bad decisions all the time.

    She can hardly do any worse that Gorge Bush did from 2000 to 2008, and he was even elected twice! All she has to do is refrain from starting World War 3, something I doubt Trump can, and she will still go down in the history books just for being the first woman president.
     
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    Don't give in to the myth that a vote for a 3rd party is a wasted vote. That's the kind of mentality that has brought us to this sorry state (that, and single-vote FPTP voting methods rather than preferential voting methods).

    Don't vote for the lesser of two evils, or the shinier turd, or whatever. There are solid candidates ripe for the choosing; your conscience will thank you.

    Evan McMullin - 2016
     
  7. Am I reading the news right? ...
     
  8. Dr Super Good

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    What? The United States of Trump looks fine to me! Come to think of it I could swear that country had a different name yesterday... Oh well.

    I could also swear Canada and Mexico had fewer people...
     
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    DSG, take a loss with dignity please, especially here.
     
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    Um what? I do not even live in the USA so I did not lose anything...

    One must expect Trump to become one of the most ridiculed presidents in US history. Already his election campaign was itself a joke, and the very fact he won a joke on the entire USA.

    That said, I am pretty sure Putin had a great party after hearing the results. Unlike the French and Mexican presidents...
     
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    FUCK YES GOD EMPEROR TRUMP IS GONNA MAKE THE UNIVERSE GREAT AGAIN

    *goes back to celebrating*

     
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    We're all doomed.
    Atleast we have the meme's to keep us warm, as hell is freezing over and the world falling apart.
    [​IMG]
     
  14. Chaosy

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    I would believe Hillary would be worse than Trump, that does not mean Trump is good though.
    Still, I think it's the lesser evil.
     
  15. Dr Super Good

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    That is like saying that heaven is worse than hell... Sort of illogical?

    Hillary might not have been the perfect president. But she would have been a woman president and certainly not changed things for the worse.

    The USA now has a decade of recession to look forward to, as well as absolutely no diplomatic say in the world. Which is possibly a good thing.
     
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    Your opinion isn't fact DSG. I also think attempting to predict the future when your own predictions on the election were incredibly wrong, is ill advised.
     
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    Fact is that Donald Trump has been a flop as a businessman. One just needs to put one and one together to know that he will be a flop of a president. None of the previous presidential candidates have ever been hated so much internationally before being elected except maybe back when the US was still breaking away from the UK and not even recognized as a fully independent country. He deserved to lose, but alas it seems most of the people in Florida were too stupid to vote more for Hillary than Trump, probably they could not even read the voting form I am guessing. Once again the USA can blame them for digging their grave, like in 2000.

    Only reason the guy is rich is because he inherited so much from his father. If I inherited several billion dollars I could also have my own plane, and name buildings after myself in big cities, and start countless companies that I keep bankrupting for various reasons. That does not mean that I would know how to run a country, or should even be allowed to seeing how none of that qualifies me to be a leader. Sure he inherited a few hundred million, but back then that was worth the same as billions today so his actual buying power has not increased much at all, if not actually decreased due to his ego based spending spree.
     
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    He hasn't but I'll get to this later.
    Predicting the future is in bad form for someone who already has been wrong so many times. Brexit and Trump DSG, at this point the reverse of your predictions is more accurate.
    Depends on the region, Western Europe yes, they hate him. Eastern Europe likes him. East Asia minus China likes him. Oddly enough South Sudan is among his supporters.
    Him deserving to lose is an opinion of yours, one that was disagreed with. Insulting voters is not a strategy that is effective. You don't control them, you don't understand their situation, you are not there. You're across an entire ocean looking through the lens of a biased media. They disagreed with you, get over it.
    Trump would have won without Florida’s electoral votes.
    Trump inherited roughly 40 million dollars in 1982 money, in the form of a 20% share in a real estate company in 1974 that he ran until 1982. In 1999 when his father died his $275 million dollar estate was divided up among children and grandchildren. By then Trump was already a multi-billionaire.
    All four bankruptcies were Chapter 11, restructuring, not liquidation. The first two occurred during the early 90’s recession on two different casinos. Those casinos were later folded under a unified company that went bankrupt in 2004, and again went bankrupt in 2009. In summary, of the 500+ companies he owns, the only bankruptcies were in what was essentially the same casinos four times.
    It’s interesting how the reverse was argued for a barely first time senator whos only prior experience was being a community organizer.
    The 40 million he received would be worth 100 million today. In proportion to his current net worth, the initial investment had a roughly 37x increase over 42 years. Yes he did not start out at the bottom, but the vast majority of his wealth was self-made.

    In summary, I've come to expect better than this from you DSG. You're letting emotions rule you.
     
  19. Dr Super Good

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    Hillary did win the popular vote though. It is not my fault that the US election system is so broken.

    They like him for the wrong reasons... Like being a stupid/fail president who will not challenge Putin.

    I do not think they really know him. It is like asking them if they like the president of Brazil, or should I say the former president of Brazil.

    Too bad that is not France, Germany or China, the sort of country that matters...

    Islamic State supports him. However one should probably view that as a negative rather than something to boast about.

    I can insult whoever I want to. I am not a USA presidential candidate and neither can I ever be one.

    Of course I do not understand their position. They are illogical. I mean just look at the kind of people who supported Trump. Those NRA nuts who think Hillary wanted to remove their guns. Heavily religious groups which fail to accept modern ways of life. Let us not forget all the white supremacy groups.

    And yet I am more informed that the people in the USA...

    The majority of America is with me. Hillary was more popular and did get more votes at the polls and only lost due to how the votes are divided.

    If people did disagree with me there would not be huge protests nation wide. I mean there were not of this scale for Obama both times he was elected.

    40 million dollars back in 1982 was big. He could have made some real big investments since then and so become the richest person in the world. Currently no one knows for sure how rich he is. Some researchers say as little as 2 billion dollars is all he owns (loser side of billionaires list), however I am willing to give him a higher estimate as they were probably only looking at assets he "owns" and not assets he controls.

    If he was really successful then they would not have gone bankrupt. He also has bankrupted a lot more than 4 companies. He did it periodically to lower his taxes.

    Hillary's experience leaves Trump miles behind. Not only was she senator from New York, but she also went on to be first lady and then secretary of state. Trump on the other hand has had experience not fighting in Vietnam as the officer we was trained to be due to "flat feet" and watching other people run his companies for him, or at least the ones that are not bankrupt. Sure Trump has a lot more experience at being egocentric than Hillary but that is hardly a positive attribute for being a country leader.

    Assuming 0% interest. Being rich and smart one does not put money in a bank. Instead one invests and does not pay any tax on it so gets a lot higher effective interest than poor folk do. Most of what he claims he owns is nothing more than standard being rich practice when one does not run a single very successful company (eg Google, Facebook, Microsoft etc).

    Starting with 100 million dollars is not "bottom". If I had 100 million dollars today I can also make a vast amount of money "self-made" just by investing it. It just does not work when you are poor because there are certain large standing overheads, eg accountants, which eat up all your profit.

    He hardly did much work either. Most of his money was earned with the blood and sweat of the people who actually run and work in his companies. He just owns them like other rich people own priceless art or huge share portfolios.
     
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    What?
    No, I said being better than hell does not make it heaven.