Tutorial Escape Final

[Moderator]

01:27, 31st Jul 2008
Septimus:

Use the link below to view the review.

http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/763424-post6.html

 

[xxdingo93xx]

So, any feedbacks?

 

[Csicska]

That's a wolf, not a dingo! :O

 

[xxdingo93xx]

I know, but my NAME is dingo and my SYMBOL is a wolf, that are 2 different things

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

Lol title, I'll see what it later =P
This looks in fact an interesting way of passing knowledge.
You should make a small tutorial and submit it with your map to the tutorials section.

 

[Septimus]

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[xxdingo93xx]

Okay, first at all thanks for approval Septimus, especially for the rating Recommended, that made me really glad.
Also I'd like to thank you for mentioning your points. I just updated my map.

Things changed:
- Changed the Name to "Tutorial Escape"
- Updated the Preview
- Made the floating texts smaller/replaced them so you can see the path

I also added extras to this map:
- Renaming
- Recoloring
- Kicking

I also added a game mode to this map:
- Checkpoint Mode


Still I have 2 questions.

70-80% of the map terrain is rather flat.

What exactly do you mean with that?

Some unit seem to move rather fast, try slow it down a bit.

I checked it but I couldn't find any mistakes. Could you tell me which units walk faster as the other?



Anyway, thanks again for approval.

~xxdingo93xx

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

You are doing a good job mate =)
However you leak in some locations. Try fixing that (although it is GUI but you can still do it =P)

 

[Kill3rbeast]

Hi xxdingo93xx,

Fist i have to say it was a good idea to do something like a tutorial escape. There are so many noob like made escape on the bnet so this maybe will help!

To remove the leaks Flame_Phoenix said heres a good tutorial:

Hidden

Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

I have also the next question did you done your escape with "Locust" at my opinion this is a really important think for a escape map.

With "flat" he means you should make different highs into your map!

I will also check you map later for somethinks and give you some more ideas for it! Will update this soon...

EDIT: (Your map dont worked for me... lagged like hell ) - Works NOW

1. You should make you multiboard refresh (build it new) only when a player leaves... and otherwise just update (change row X to new value...) it!
2. You should use "Phoenixfire" and not "Immolation" this does not lagg... You said you tried before but it works just do again!
3. For your "Kill-Trigger" you should use "For each inteager 1 to 10" ... "for each player" does leak! Either way i done it at point 6. You should more use this!! ( If you use every time Inteager A and Inteager B it maybe will make issuses. Then use "For each inteager (Variable)" with different variables.
4. Whats with a mode with "Lives + Checkpoints"? This normaly the favorite mode for an escape.
5. Whats with a Slide part? Many people making escapes want to have sliding in it and dont know how it works^^ I can give you a really leakless slide trigger if you want!!
6. For you kill trigger you can use "For each inteager..." too and make it much shorter, watch this: (This is the way how you could improve lots of your triggers)

• For each (Integer A) from 1 to 10, do (Actions)
  • Loop - Action
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • 'IF'-Condition
        • (Clicked dialog button) Gleich KickDB[(Integer A)]
        • (Name of (Player((Integer A)))) Ungleich xxdingo93xx
      • 'THEN'-Aktionen
        • Game - Display to (All players) for 5.00 seconds the text: (Colorcodes[(Integer A)] + ((Name of (Player((Integer A)))) + |r has been kicked!))
        • Unit - Remove Escaper[(Integer A)] from the game
        • Unit - Remove Detector[(Integer A)] from the game
        • Unit - Remove Circle[(Integer A)] from the game
        • Set Alive[(Integer A)] = False
        • Set MB_Left[(Integer A)] = True
      • 'ELSE'-Aktionen

EDIT 2: Phoenixfire was still right... you should try to put in in right and donte do it with immolation!^^

If you want check out my escapes im sure you can get some ideas there! You can find them in my signature...

EDIT 3: 7. You should start other levels when the (first) player reach (if no one is in level 2 dont spawn units there) it and end the level when it is finished then (remove all units). For lives mode: (You should also add a count that menas a variable for the players and then everytime a level is finished by a player check if all players done it and then remove all units in it!!!)

8. Let escaper run faster! Its not funny if they walk as low as they do .. better do enemys faster e.g. (My Opinion, i done them 290)

9. Let players change there escaper model is a very n1 feature and many dont know how they should do this (how to changer hero on a way revive system e.g. still works you know?)... let them play sound e.g. there are so many thinks...

10. A Special idee is hard needed for a good escape you should tell this at you tutorial... For examples (this ides exist in maps i know): Nice spell ideas (Jump, PvP-Spells for not team based one etc), special modes, systems others dont have, the darkness in done in one of my maps or what ever or just the idea to make a tutorial ... XD What the hell ^^

11. What is with a feature to lock camera (moves with your hero) or change it to special position (top view, zoom out...) with a commant! You should not lock the camera settings, you should let the player decide how he want to have it. Anyway you should avoay triggers like "every 2 sec" timer like you done for lock camera with settings to user!


I have to say you trap ideas and terrain are great done! Well done at all...
Finally I would advice you to work over some of your systems (lagg, leak, to complikated done) and also structuring you triggers in more categories i think this is confusing at moment. Normally this is uninteresting but this should be a tutorial right? ^^. You should also do this before working on "Tutorial Escape 2" i would say because others want to learn from you (I think i they learn it not the perfect way right?) That means not you maps is not nice made ... i think you understand what i mean

If you have questions just ask me i will help you with systems or something else... I hope this was helpfull for you!

EDIT: Change some thinks to make it clearer for you what i mean! If something is claudy please ask for it more specific.

Friendly Greetings
Kill3rbeast

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Thanks, Kill3rbeast

Well, I found the reason of this lag hell. I wanted to make the units unclickable and I gave them the ability Locust and Phoenixfire to kill, anyway it didn't work and caused such a lag. Now I used immolation for it. It is just a every-1-second-kill however it kills and works Also I fixed all possible unit group leaks.

I am pleased if you all can give me some more ideas, I will try to put them into Tutorial Escape 2 which is under construction!

Greetz, xxdingo93xx

 

[DaRkaHn]

i got an idea
Make a Wall... thats not Really a Wall and put up a place where there is a guy named "Bruiser of Masacre" and put lotsof Corpses around then do like u have to go through the invisible wall becuse Brusier of Masacre Kills u if u dont,use some AWSOME undead custom skin/model For the Bruiser of Masacre and one more thing there must be a way to the otherside of the wall behind the Bruiser or they will never die by him

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Well, Tutorial Escape 2 is going to be based on sliding things. Besides that, you will have to explain your idea some better I cannot really follow it.

 

[cedi]

Hey dingo, I've tested the map and I've found a bug. I run into the last checkpoint. A cinematic startet, but then nothing happens. The escaper doesn't run down to the field... Soo It's stucked...

But it's a very cool Idea...

cedi

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Uhm, I already fixed that, didn't I? I'll look for it.

Edit:

Ah, bug found and fixed. Thanks for info, cedi.
My map should be bugfree now.

 

[yakonshus]

It does not look like death and decay, but still fun, alteast that much it can be without some undead raising necromancers. I'l give it a shot.... BOOM!

 

[xxdingo93xx]

I don't knoe exactly what you mean with that...but thanks for the comment xD

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Ok, as all maybe already saw ther was a camerabugfor player red. I fixed it partly, still some buggy so I will need some time to find out what it is...

 

[Rommstein]

Man this map is the same as my Escape, you should maybe told me it...

KaMiKaZ Escape

Anyway you did a very good job, you added a few more systems (I like the abomination xD), but the decoration is THE SAME as me, and I don't really like it...
But this map is free, it's a good thing for newby mappers, hope it will help them.
Maybe you could also add the jump system I made, but do it a little less difficult...

But please when you steal ideas like that, send a message to the creator, it's better

[EDIT] Oh man did not saw that :

You have to know, I did NOT invent all of these ideas by my own, I played a lot of escapes in the battle.net and collected many Ideas so if you use any Idea, I don't order credits. If you want to credit me, then you are of course allowed to ;P

Sorry,
it's because a friend found your map and asked me if I had stolen your map, so I found you here ><
But a question : you did really took ideas of my maps ? ^^

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Hehe, it is no problem well, I really copied some ideas of your kamikaz escape
and I also tried to find you here to informate you. Without succes :S

Oh, now I know why I had no succes ... I searched for Rammstein, not Rommstein xD SRY!!!! my bad

Well, as I already said, I played LOTS of escapes for a lot of years and I collected many ideas. I will give your map a special credit okay? :x
I can also remove this map out of HWS if you don't want me to use your original ideas in it

~xxdingo93xx

 

[Rommstein]

Nono, don't give me credits, I don't really merit it as you tried to contact me
You did a very good job to do an unprotected map like this one, even if there are many of my ideas in it xD
DON'T remove it of hive LOL, many newby mappers will be happy to see this map, as they can learn many things in it I think.

Good job for your map man, 5/5

[EDIT] lol rAmmstein xD

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Thanks, I'm honored to hear that from a mapper in your grade

Yes, sry, you have to know, Rammstein is a german Band and I thought you named yourself like them xD



Still there is a little bug in my map which can ruin the game completely, maybe you can help me with it...
The camera of Player 1 (Red) will pan to allied escapers if they die or revive. I tried many times to fix that but I can't find any solution for it :S could you help me with it?

 

[Rommstein]

Ok I will try to fix it for you
But not now, I have so many work for the moment >_>

(yes I know Rammstein, of course xD)
(and thanks for the "a mapper in your grade" ^^)

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Bug found and fixed. It was a REALLY stupid bug I've just overseen. Thanks, Rommstein60, for also searching the bug you gained moderation for my map, you really merit it!

 

[Rommstein]

Thanks

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Omi Gawd!? You RENAMED IT!
"How to make a high quality escape-escape" Soundet WAY better
Edit: Hi Rommstein
Edit: Ohh, and dingo- i played with you just after you made it. We were stuck in stage 1, and couldnt go further, due to some odd bug D: (Perhaps you remember-)
I didnt knew you were on the hive

 

[xxdingo93xx]

naaaaw, "How to make a high quality escape-escape" is too long ^^ But my map is more important than the name ;P

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Hey, you said to me "Can you think of a better name"
had to pass that- Still got the old version ^^

 

[Rommstein]

Edit: Hi Rommstein

Hello

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Hey, you said to me "Can you think of a better name"
had to pass that- Still got the old version ^^

Then your version is buggy and crappy xD this version here has no bugs as I can see. Try it and host it many times in battle.net please xD

 

[TheBlooddancer]

Well i cant host
I would either ways.
Oh, and i tried your Spike Impact
One thing i dislike about it, is that even thou you set up the range, it doesnt change the "Model", so if the range is at ..5.. then it would still be ridicolus big spikes
(Not good if you want other size of the models-)
PS: Ridicolus equal to bad equal to false

 

[xxdingo93xx]

One thing i dislike about it, is that even thou you set up the range, it doesnt change the "Model", so if the range is at ..5.. then it would still be ridicolus big spikes

Easy I already posted that, very far below xD Just change the scaling value of the spikes that it looks matching to the range.

So easy ;D

 

[xxdingo93xx]

OK, all typo errors I could find are fixed, moderating things are fixed, some small bugs are fixed, and the cam locker which causes bugs is removed.

I hope it is hard to find bugs now

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Tutorial Escape.rar Filesize: 392KB
You may wait a few seconds on that page until you can download it!

The unprotected version unfortunately was deleted and I don't have another unprotected version of it. Sorry.

 

[Flame_Phoenix]

I see you are following my example my friend =) Good to know.

 

[xxdingo93xx]

Yes thanks for letting me steal your original idea >.<

 

[Acutesharpness]

Really interesting tutorial, I might be doing an escape map too !!