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The Rise of the Scourge v1.9.3

Submitted by Sparta955
This bundle is marked as substandard. It may contain bugs, not perform optimally or otherwise be in violation of the submission rules.
Changelog:
v1.9.2. Fixed all major bugs, still weeding some out so this can get approved. In the future I plan on revamping Azjol'Nerub and giving it an important part in the game.

v1.9.3. Changes made this version: Added Argent Stand, and Argent Vanguard, changed daval prestor to Liam, and added Tirion Fording.

v1.9.4. Very minor changes, mostly small bugs.

To do: Make Dar'khan Drathir, Lord Garithos, Balnazzar, Tichondrius, Dalvengyr, and Detheroc. I also must add Arugal's Northrend base, and many more Forsaken events.

Rise of the Scourge:

This is a spawn based map with a 5 tier castle system. Spawns occur every 120 seconds of game time, and there is a timer.

The game's history begins with Lordaeron fully in tact, Kel'thuzad having just returned from Northrend. The Plague of Undeath will grip Lordaeron and destroy it from the inside out, leading to the creation of the Scarlet Crusade and the colonization of Northrend. Events in the game end with the death of the Lich King, but there is alot of side lore too.

Currently I am working on creating more events for these teams: Red, Purple, Orange, Pink, and Grey.

[highlight]There are Eleven Players, and 5 teams. These teams however do not last long however.[/highlight]

Arathor
]Red: As Arathor your main goal will be to break out of the Arathi Highlands. Dalaran is you principle enemy, and destroying Durnholde Keep will open up the path to a capturable Aerie Peak, and the rest of the Hillsbrad Foothills, in which all bases are capturable. You have strong melee units at your disposal, and your late game knights are very elite units.


Lordaeron
Blue: As Lordaeron you will find yourself under attack from within. Brill will come under repeated attacks, and Andorhal will surely fall. However there is hope, in Northrend. After Arthas retrieves Frostmourne and kills Mal'Ganis, you will be left with three strong bases. Also you can gain more bases after Arthas becomes the Lich King. Back in Lordaeron, you will have control of the Argent Dawn.


Troll Empire
Teal: As the Amani, you have one main enemy, the Elves. If you push them back to Silvermoon, you will be able to choose to Enslave them, or Exterminate them. Enslaving them makes them your allies, while exterminating them gives you a powerful spawn and your four animal gods. However the elves can stir up a rebellion, and fight against your rule.


Dalaran
Purple: Dalaran is beset on all sides, and its lands are an ever changing battleground. If the capital city of Dalaran is destroyed, then Arugal will summon the Worgen, and Purple will gain a spawn inside of Shadowfang Keep along with two new heroes. He can then reconquer his old land. If Arugal is killed he becomes a shade, and allies with the Scourge.


The Drakkari
Orange: The Drakkari are under siege. The Undead have claimed the lower tier of Zul'Drak and are pushing towards Gundrak. With the help of your powerful animal spirits you can hope to push them back, and maintain your empire. This team is lacking in events since they are new.


Silvermoon
Green: As the Elves you will be constantly engaged in war with the Amani. You can push them back into Zul'Aman and Tor'watha, but they will prove to be a stubborn enemy on the defensive. You must also worry about the undead who will surely encroach upon your lands in the south.


The Lich King
Pink (Black): The Lich King is growing in power. Every day more come to join the ranks of the Scourge, and soon all of Northrend will be under your control. Standing in your way, however, are the Drakkari and the Humans. Defeat them, and all of Northrend shall be yours.


Gilneas
Grey: Gilneas is a seclusive nation, hiding behind its massive wall. However, they can choose to sally forth and capture the outlying towns of Dalaran. If they are conquered, they will become the Worgen, but remain free of Arugal.


The Silverhand
Light Blue: The Silverhand will likely lose its main base very early. However, when most of Lordaeron has fallen, he will gain many new bases under the control of the Scarlet Crusade. He will then have very powerful heroes, and very powerful bases with which to reconquer all of Lordaeron with.


The Cult of the Damned
Dark Green: The Cult of the Damned will seek to claim much of westernmost Lordaeron. There they will grow and come to incite rebellion, and form the Forskaen. From there they may conquer the Sepulcher, and parts of old Lordaeron.


The Scourge
Brown: The Scourge is the main enemy of Lordaeron. You will start with but one hero, and no bases, and grow to control most of Lordaeron. Indeed you must follow the instructions that Kel'thuzad gives you, or you will never grow in strength.



Keywords:
Warcraft, strategy, lordaeron, spawn, rts, scourge,
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The Rise of the Scourge v1.9.3 (Map)

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14:11, 13th Aug 2010 ap0calypse: Rejected CWeener: Rejected See post #54.
  1. Sparta955

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    Right just got back, thanks thingolus for the reports and such, ill get to fixing them as soon as I can.

    Donee
     
    Last edited: Aug 24, 2010
  2. The Pale King

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    Crazy awesome terrain, one quick bug. their are 2 trion fordring spawns, one in northrend, the other over at lights hope. (which i think is the right one)

    also, when you use the bloodmage model, make sure to start out with its hero base, otherwise edit the hight and other properties to fit it.

    with the darkmaster gandling hero, he seems to float like a lich. (you probably used it as the hero basis) but when he attacks the missile spawns to high.


    keep it up :D
     
  3. DarkReborn

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    Yeah I hope it serves as constructive criticism, but, you're overusing the bloodmage model for mages. You know, you could use for example this one for Arugal, or whichever other mage that isn't an elf.
     
  4. Sparta955

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    Thats definitely constructive, worry not.

    Thanks for the feedback, I'll be sure to address all the issues in the following patch for the game, which should be out by tomorrow.

    Thanks again guys.
     
  5. Masashi

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    How can this be high quality map? Spells are misplaced, units moving trough walls, wtf? It can be fixed though...
     
  6. Sparta955

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    You sir are of no use to me, at all

    Please tell me WHAT the problem is, so I can FIX IT. Theres alot of stuff in this map, and its still in late beta form. Thanks.
     
  7. Masashi

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    I'm realy sorry, I didn't want to hurt you. I just posted my first opinion. And yes, there is one thing that you can fix. Please write some kind of guide or something in the description, because I don't understand how to play this map. You can try my map.

    http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/maps-564/stranglethorn-battlefield-177103/

    I have made a simple tutorial in it that should make a noob understand what to do...
     
  8. MJC008

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    Love the terrain for this map it really follows well with WoW even up to Cataclysm (Gilneas). Triggers are ok, It would be nice to change which units spawn without having the enemy destroy your bases in order for that to happen. You use characters from Warcraft lore but it doesnt follow the storyline exactly (for instance Arthas lands on the wrong part of Northrend) which I dont mind because all in all its a fun game to play.
     
  9. Sparta955

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    Thanks man,

    Yeah I couldn't really keep to the lore on both sides unfortunately, but I tried my best.

    I'll keep working on the triggers haha, gettin better everyday..
     
  10. DarkReborn

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    I'm getting error at startup, same as the first version you released (1.4?).
     
  11. copsychus

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    Could you change it to match with patch 1.24?

    i can't play it with 1.24 patch
     
  12. Thingolus

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    so, you rate it 1 just becouse some little bugs and YOU dont understand it? thats just not right....3 would be the smallest i would give for this reasons, but i didnt have any problems with the map

    edit:damn, should be a answear for Masashi, but i looked at your map and saw its already deleted....thats freaking funny!
     
  13. Smiley

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    I can't seem to be able to play the latest version, it just refuses to leave the team selection screen. Not sure if the problem's on my part or yours, but just giving you a heads up.

    This map looks very interesting and I would love to play it if I can. :}
     
  14. Sparta955

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    Super sorry about the error, I dont know what the problem could be, I made two very minor changes in this version. I'll check them over though.

    I guess the Jass from newgen corrupted the save again, I'll have to reupload version 1.9.3. No big deal, sorry for all of those who downloaded and couldnt play =[
     
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    Alrighty,
    I will give my full review now, or you can see my final rating at the bottom.

    Full Review of the map "The Rise of the Scourge v1.9.3"

    Please note, parts of the description section, and almost all of the terrain section of this review I borrowed from ap0calypse, because he is awesomeness.

    Description

    "The reason why a good description is necessary is to encourage players to play your game.
    It will grip the attention of people who (accidentally) pass by, attention is one of the basic things a map must have, otherwise it will be forgotten in the thousands and thousands of maps on battle.net."
    ( - The Importance of a Description, by ap0calypse).

    Also,
    If you'd like some examples of a good description try the following links.
    Shining Waters by R.Gaming_Strike
    Avatar by dj0z

    Additionally, a description is required (not just optional).
    Only a few people will download your map with no description and it is certain to get rejected.

    Hmmm, your description definitely gives the necessary info, but it can give so much more. I'm not going to count this against you necessarily, but still, it can be added to.


    Triggers

    General Triggering Tips

    1) Leaks and how they affect you


    Now, if you don't know, the definition of a leak, an object handle that is used and stored in memory but cannot be recalled.
    In layman's terms, it's basically like having something on your computer taking on space, but you can't get rid of it, so it bogs down your memory uncontrollably.
    Try the hidden tag below for more info on leaks.

    Your triggers leak! Quite a bit. It was almost heart-breaking. I would highly recommend all of those tutorials to you. They will come in handy!
    In this hidden tag are some examples of leaky triggers.

    Leak2.jpg Untitlded1.jpg leaks1.jpg



    2) Inefficiencies: The plague of triggers


    Now, an inefficiency can be a couple of things.
    1) It can be a trigger that need not exist due to another trigger fires on the same event.
    Note, that practically any two triggers that fire on the same event, can be combined, with the exception of triggers that turn off or on.
    This is due to the fact that we can use if-then-else for the conditions.

    2) It can be a way you do something, that just doesn't have to be done that way. (Things like manually putting a if-then-else 8 times with the same actions but with different players can be avoided by looping 8 times through one if-then-else and using integer A as the player number)

    This is not only the plague of most maps, it's the bane of your map's existence. That has to be the most triggers I've ever seen in a map. I was doing some math, and in about an hour, I figured you could condense it to around 250 triggers from the 700+ it has now. I definitely recommend you see some tutorials for that.

    Link to a helpful tutorial


    Terrain

    General Terrain


    1) Tileset


    Choose your tileset carefully: a combination of about 3 or more different types of grass for forests is not a luxury.
    The tileset is the base of the terrain, it's very important that you learn to combine tilesets that look good together (note that some of the edges of tilesets can be different when next to another type, you need to think about that too: what looks good next to what?).
    Most people start out with 1 or 2 different types of tileset that don't match eachother, then go to randomly placing a few tilesets that do match eachother and then finally, after some practice, can succesfully combine tilesets and know where to place them.

    TileSet.jpg
    Notice, you've got lush green grass next to..snow.
    This would never happen in actuality. If you could get a few more tiles you may be able to transition to the snow, but as f now, the snow needs to be gotten rid of.

    2) Transition


    This part also belongs to the tileset somehow.
    When you're creating a terrain and you're using different tilesets, make sure that they are mixed and that you can't see any clear border.

    Not much to say here. You were pretty good about creating nice transitions. Loved it. Maybe another grass tile would be good though.

    3) Cliffs


    Try not to use cliffs (in the terrain palette: apply cliff: increase/decrease one/two).
    Cliffs could be used when you actually need a cliff, but when you need a mountain of some sorts, or a wall use the raise land tool or doodads.

    It didn't seem that you used any, which in this case, is a very good thing as you didn't need them.

    You should also never use the standard water-tools for the terrain, there's a far better (yet more complicated) option to create water.
    Cliffs could be used when you actually need a cliff, but when you need a mountain of some sorts, or a wall use the raise land tool or doodads.
    The thing here is that you need to create a new map in order to make this work, I don't think you can adjust this when you've already made your map.
    What you need to do: when creating a new map, there's an option called "Initial Water Level", if you set this to "shallow water", you start off with your terrain completely under (shallow) water.
    Afterwards, when the terrain is created, you should raise the land (not with the cliff tool!) so it is slightly above water-level (it should look like land on the minimap, but may not be too high).
    When this is done, click the "apply height: plateau" tool and drag it all along the terrain, starting from the little patch of land, now the entire terrain should be above water-level.
    To create a river now is very easy: lower the terrain and you've got water - this can be done to create puddles, rivers, sea, whatever you want.

    Again no problems here except the way you made the water.
    RiverBefore.jpg
    Notice how jagged the water is.
    It looks completely unrealistic, and you did this throughout the map.
    CliffsAfter.jpg
    Now, look how much better it is. It still isn't good, but this was literally a 30 second edit.
    Simply use the smooth and lower tool in combination with each other.
    I recommend you do this across the map.

    Doodads:


    1) Spamming doodads


    Doodads may never be spammed, you can place a lot of environmental doodads (such as shrubs), but never overdo it.
    A lot of people spam things like rocks, waterfalls or fire, but that is not the point of doodads.

    VerySpammy.jpg
    Now here, this is definitely unnecessary. I suggest you remove them, as they really don't look good at all.

    Additional:


    1) Weather/Fog


    These are main ingredients when creating a cinematic and shouldn't be forgotten in other maps either.
    There's no need for a weather effect (in fact: please don't touch it if you don't really know what you need to do with it), but a (triggered, not weather) fog can drastically improve how a terrain looks, or the 'aura' it gives off.
    Creepy maps need a darker fog, happy maps a light one, you can make it change for day/night purposes, you can change it depending on the region you're in.
    Basically this decides what kind of map you're playing

    To make a default fog: go to Scenario -> Options, there you should see the option "Use Terrain fog", set style to "Linear" (nothing else) and choose your color.
    You probably need to lower the starting Z as well (about 1000, or even less if you want), otherwise you won't see a lot of the fog.

    2) Sky


    You seriously don't need this if you don't use camera's that have an angle of attack of at least 330 degrees...
    In cinematics however, it decorates the entire terrain and - if it matches the cinematic theme - it really expresses the general idea.


    Object Editor Work

    General Obj Editor Tips

    1) Ability Tooltips


    I have written an entire maps worth of ability tooltips before, about 60 of them. It took me about a week. Seriously. Put some serious thought into these. Anything and everything we need to know should be here.
    If it has a cooldown. If it has a certain range, and even if it's melee. What targets it can affect. How many targets. How long to cast. The basic idea of it. And anything else you can come up with.

    Now, you did very poorly here.
    The tooltips just state what the basic idea is. Nothing more.
    You should definitely go more in-depth here.

    2) Other Tooltips


    2A) Regular Unit Tooltips


    Now, these are pretty easy.
    They should include things like, unit classification. Unit's range. What the unit can/can't target. The basic info on the unit. The build time for the unit. Attack cooldown. And anything else you can come up with.

    Again, very poor. Most used default blizzard tooltips, and who really like those?
    I recommend re-writing 90%+ of them.

    2B) Hero Tooltips


    These are a bit more intricate.
    They should include things like, abilities. Stats and stats per level. Base attack. Lore behind the hero. Range of the hero. Attack cooldown. Targets he/she can attack. Any other special information. And anything else you can come up with.

    Again, here you did not do well at all. The tooltips lack information, and are generally as un-helpful as they come.

    3) Balancing


    Now, I really can't tell you how to balance your map. All I can say is if you play it with a full-house and you play as every position(not every color) and noticed it was no harder nor any easier, then you can say it's been tested for balance. Outside of that, it hasn't been properly tested.



    Gameplay

    General Gameplay Tips

    1) Replay value


    This refers to how well your map can be replayed. Major bugs, imbalances, and other things to just generally mess up the gameplay, will affect this.

    Now, I'd say this map was great to play again if it's lag wasn't so bad.
    I'd never play this again myself, I'm not sure about the rest of battle.net.

    2) Bugs and how they affect your map


    Now, a bug is anything that is supposed to happen but can affect gameplay. Things like glitches for example. These can not only hurt the replay value of the map, but are general annoyances, and can lead to imbalances.

    I really couldn't fault you here. I couldn't find any in-game bugs that were notable.

    3) Laginess, and overall file size.


    Now, lag can be caused by a couple of FIXABLE(key word here) things.

    1) It can be because you have a lot of triggers. Now, on battle.net if you have more than 300 triggers, your map probably goes to hell. This can be easily fixed, by combining triggers. I've never seen a map that actually needed 300+ triggers.
    2) It can be due to trigger leaks. If your game starts out fine, but gets worse, it's probably due to leaks. We've a number of tutorials on this site alone to help here.
    3) It can be due to unnecessary doodad spam. This is pretty self-explanatory. Too many doodads are a bad thing. In the object manager you can see how many doodads you have, and what the limits are.
    4) Just a big file size in general. Things like imports, music, triggers, and terrain size, all contribute to map size. If your map exceeds 7 MB, it probably won't have a high replay value, due to the lag it's bound to have on Battle.net.

    The map size is VERY large. This is because of the triggers bloating the size, the imports that don't even look right, and it even looks as if you have some unused units in the obj editor. I recommend basically stripping everything that isn't need from the obj editor and import manager. Then going and fixing your triggers.



    Last Words

    My final comments/concerns

    I really really disapprove of almost everything about this map.
    The description basically needs more info.
    It's terrain is confusing and rough in places, but has good merging.
    The triggers lack in every way possible.
    The obj editor work on different units is okay, but add some tooltips, that's one of the most important aesthetics there are.
    The gameplay is alright. It'd be better if I didn't have to deal with such lag about halfway through though.

    Ultimately, I recommend you visit lots of triggering & terrain tutorials.
    That can help your map 100X.


    My final rating,
    1/5 (Poor)
    Rejected
     
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  16. WOWWARS

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    I'm kinda too late but how is it 1/5?

    terrains a def 5 using alot of work in making lordaeron completely transform by end game.

    Triggers are like Lordaeron tactics which is also a very large game back then or still is.


    gameplay's Fine just that if u lose your heroes your kinda screwed.

    Though i agree with the Tooltip things he really needs to finish all units.

    Description really doesnt change if the games bad or good its just a brief writing of what the game is no less or larger.

    I'd give it a 3.5/5