The Mystery of Enginering Upgrade

[kruzerg]

i tried upgrade metamorphosis to bash ability
its work
but i can clink the bash icon (though is passive ability)
when i click my hero hp - 100 and the dmg increases around 200
i can click the icon till my hero hp below 0 and died

what happen

 

[Arad MNK]

What are you asking???????

 

[Zwiebelchen]

Engineering upgrade will actually retain certain object parameters from the original abilities. It is not meant for completely replacing one ability for a completely different one.

Either treat your abilities as simple dummys without functionality (like using the "channel" ability) and trigger your spells, or use similar abilities.

 

[LordDz]

So.. You could use it to combine abilities? Stormbolt + Slow = stun + slow?

 

[SAUS]

So.. You could use it to combine abilities? Stormbolt + Slow = stun + slow?

I doubt that would work. It would more likely use the slow duration for the stun duration or something.

I had a similar issue with rain of chaos. If you change the summoning spell to Spawn Tentacle, it stuns the tentacles for the duration you set in rain of chaos (instead of stunning units around them like with the normal rain of chaos). It's rather strange lol.

 

[kruzerg]

so how about dota completely change abilities when equipped aganim scepter?
how to completely replacing abilities without changing its lvl and without troubles

 

[LordDz]

Use triggers.
Unit - Remove Ability 1
Unit - Add ability 2

 

[Wietlol]

It is possible, but I would suggest to replace dummy abilities with dummy abilities and actual abilities being replaced.

 

[kruzerg]

Use triggers.
Unit - Remove Ability 1
Unit - Add ability 2

its not changing lvl its started ability from lvl 1 again

Wietlol can u show the trigger of yours idea?

 

[Wietlol]

Do you want to replace Hero Abilities or Unit Abilities?

 

[SAUS]

so how about dota completely change abilities when equipped aganim scepter?
how to completely replacing abilities without changing its lvl and without troubles

You can do a few things:
1) Change the ability to a new one and make sure you keep the level as you switch back and forth.
2) Check when you cast the spell if the user has the item that changes the spell (and you just add in the tooltip of the spell what the bonuses are).
3) Use a dummy hero ability for levelling the actual ability (which is not a hero ability). When you get the item, increase levels of the ability. You could set it up like:
Level 1 - level 1 ability without item bonus
Level 2 - level 2 ability without item bonus
Level 3 - level 3 ability without item bonus
Level 4 - level 1 ability with item bonus
Level 5 - level 2 ability with item bonus
Level 6 - level 3 ability with item bonus
And then you add 3 when the hero gets the item and subtract 3 when they lose it.

There are probably more solutions, but I won't bother trying to think of them lol.

 

[edo494]

thats not that wise either.
If you do not have high enough lvl, you may want to go 2->3 but in fact you are going 5->6, hence requiring lvl 11

 

[kruzerg]

can you show the trigger? i still dont get the hang of it
i somehow know your point but i still confused

wietlol: hero ability

 

[Wietlol]

Make 2 abilities based of Attribute Bonus.
Both hero abilities, both 0 added bonusses, and both false on icon show (the feature I want to use).
You can switch between these two using the Engineering upgrade without problems, as these abilities do 0.
However, when you level either of the abilities, you add/increase a real ability (the ability you want it to have) so you can use it.
When you add the engineering upgrade, you add the second ability and set it's level to the first one and remove the first one.
The attribute bonus abilities are merely for the leveling part.

 

[LordDz]

its not changing lvl its started ability from lvl 1 again

Then save the ability level in a variable, remove the first ability , add the second ability and set the level of the newly added ability to the variable.

 

[Wietlol]

First add new ability, copy level and then remove old ability.
Not that hard.

 

[LordDz]

First add new ability, copy level and then remove old ability.
Not that hard.

Pretty sure that if you add and then remove, the added ability will be in the wrong button position.

 

[kruzerg]

Pretty sure that if you add and then remove, the added ability will be in the wrong button position.

then remove 1st?
or use trigger similiar to http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/...torials-279/how-give-unit-ability-fly-201936/
?

 

[Wietlol]

Nah, the button position is reset to the object editor data when you removed the other ability iirc.
Adding -> setting level -> removing should work.

 

[kruzerg]

why not removing 1st? more safe

 

[Wietlol]

Sure, you can do.
Just store the level in an integer variable. (I guess LordDz already said that )

 

[kruzerg]

1 day work of spell system
need http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/graveyard-418/system-bonus-mod-setunitmaxstate-65622/ by http://www.hiveworkshop.com/forums/members/earth-fury/ thanks to https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009933875934

Learn Skill

Hidden

• Learn Void
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Learns a skill
  • Conditions
    • (Learned Hero Skill) Equal to Void Singularity
  • Actions
    • Hero - Create Void Hp Up and give it to (Learning Hero)
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • ((Triggering unit) has an item of type |cffff8800Void Energy|r) Equal to True
      • Then - Actions
        • Set Temp_Unit = (Triggering unit)
        • Set Temp_Real = ((Max life of Temp_Unit) + 4000.00)
        • Custom script: call SetUnitMaxState(udg_Temp_Unit, UNIT_STATE_MAX_LIFE, udg_Temp_Real)
      • Else - Actions

Upgrade

Hidden

• Upgrade
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Acquires an item
  • Conditions
    • (Item-type of (Item being manipulated)) Equal to |cffff8800Void Energy|r
    • (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Void Lord
  • Actions
    • Unit Group - Add (Triggering unit) to VOIDCHECKLVL
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in VOIDCHECKLVL and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Set Temp_Unit = (Picked unit)
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • (Level of Void change for (Picked unit)) Equal to 0
          • Then - Actions
            • Unit - Add Void change to (Picked unit)
            • Unit - Order (Picked unit) to Night Elf Druid Of The Claw - Bear Form
            • Unit - Remove Void change from (Picked unit)
            • Set Temp_Real = ((Max life of Temp_Unit) + (4000.00 x (Real((Level of Void Singularity for Temp_Unit)))))
            • Custom script: call SetUnitMaxState(udg_Temp_Unit, UNIT_STATE_MAX_LIFE, udg_Temp_Real)
            • Trigger - Turn on void check <gen>
          • Else - Actions

Void Check (INITIALLY OFF)

Hidden

• void check
  • Events
    • Time - Every 0.20 seconds of game time
  • Conditions
  • Actions
    • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
      • If - Conditions
        • (VOIDCHECKLVL is empty) Equal to True
      • Then - Actions
        • Trigger - Turn off (This trigger)
      • Else - Actions
    • Unit Group - Pick every unit in VOIDCHECKLVL and do (Actions)
      • Loop - Actions
        • Unit - Set level of Void Breath (Level 2) for (Picked unit) to (Level of Void Singularity for (Picked unit))
        • If (All Conditions are True) then do (Then Actions) else do (Else Actions)
          • If - Conditions
            • ((Picked unit) is dead) Equal to True
          • Then - Actions
            • Unit Group - Remove (Picked unit) from VOIDCHECKLVL
          • Else - Actions

Void lord upgrade off

Hidden

• void lord upgrade off
  • Events
    • Unit - A unit Loses an item
  • Conditions
    • And - All (Conditions) are true
      • Conditions
        • (Item-type of (Item being manipulated)) Equal to |cffff8800Void Energy|r
        • Or - Any (Conditions) are true
          • Conditions
            • (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Void Lord
            • (Unit-type of (Triggering unit)) Equal to Void Lord (shift 2)
  • Actions
    • Unit Group - Remove (Triggering unit) from VOIDCHECKLVL

 

[Wietlol]

void check should be done when you learn the hero spell

 

[kruzerg]

void check should be done when you learn the hero spell

well i want void check just turned on once
if i turn on when i learn spell its will turned on many times, didnt?

 

[Wietlol]

All you do in void check is to set the level of your Void Breath to Void Singularity
However you can do that action when a unit learns Void Singularity.
Then you dont need that trigger at all.

 

[kruzerg]

you are half right
if i remove void check trigger then my hero cant lvled up void breath ability (i use void change (bear form)) to change model and that model have void breath

what if i acquired item after my void singularity skill is lvl 5 then my void breath wont lvl up lol

 

[Wietlol]

why not?
then your void breath is level 5 and its maximum, no need to level it up even more.

 

[kruzerg]

ohh you mean i addtrigger set void breath lvl = void singularity lvl in both learn skill and upgrade trigger?

 

[Wietlol]

yea I guess