The Hobbit BotFA (V4.5)

[deepstrasz]

1. Players should start with the camera over their start location or playing area rather than on another place on the map.
2. The terrain is flat, mostly one tile, having little doodad variation. Pretty sure you can find better wall models than the current edited ones.
3. Abilities like Splintering Axes should have passive looking icons. The current icon can be changed to look so with: Button Manager v1.8.2 Repair on Dale should not have those borders as it gives the impression it can be autocast.
4. It's confusing to use hero models on non-hero units as they have glow and heroes get visually lost amongst them and usually the models don't have a death animations, the bodies remaining on the terrain for long periods of time.
5. Repair says spell not ready yet when casting on it but there is no cooldown effect on it. The ability should just disappear after use if it's intended to be used once.
6. The Dwarven Worker has the same icon as Thorin II. Dwarven Warrior ability's icon=Thorin III's. Elite Dwarven Warrior's=Ironbreaker's=Dain's Fury. Ironwall's=Defend.
7. Thorin II's ability positions are wrong in the learn ability menu.
8. It's annoying that you don't really know when you can choose a spell after you level up since not all heroes follow the same ability level up trend, the hero icons showing available spell points confusing the player.
9. Enemy units spawn out of nowhere. Could be visually pleasing and logical instead.
10. Abilities don't really have hotkeys (at least visible in the ability text name) for example Dwarven Medicine. Better use QWERT.
11. Enemies are pretty much scaled up versions of each other. Not much variety in what they do.

Generally, 100% reliant on Warcraft III material, just renamed abilities. Content is pretty much lacking and not that varied.
Some suggestions would be: items for the heroes (either gradually unlocked or found in places etc.), upgrades for the towers and units etc.

The map could use much more things going on. Take a look at similar maps of the genre for inspiration. Right now, it's very old-school and doesn't stand out.

Awaiting Update.

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[FeelMyRash]

1. Players should start with the camera over their start location or playing area rather than on another place on the map.
2. The terrain is flat, mostly one tile, having little doodad variation. Pretty sure you can find better wall models than the current edited ones.
3. Abilities like Splintering Axes should have passive looking icons. The current icon can be changed to look so with: Button Manager v1.8.2 Repair on Dale should not have those borders as it gives the impression it can be autocast.
4. It's confusing to use hero models on non-hero units as they have glow and heroes get visually lost amongst them and usually the models don't have a death animations, the bodies remaining on the terrain for long periods of time.
5. Repair says spell not ready yet when casting on it but there is no cooldown effect on it. The ability should just disappear after use if it's intended to be used once.
6. The Dwarven Worker has the same icon as Thorin II. Dwarven Warrior ability's icon=Thorin III's. Elite Dwarven Warrior's=Ironbreaker's=Dain's Fury. Ironwall's=Defend.
7. Thorin II's ability positions are wrong in the learn ability menu.
8. It's annoying that you don't really know when you can choose a spell after you level up since not all heroes follow the same ability level up trend, the hero icons showing available spell points confusing the player.
9. Enemy units spawn out of nowhere. Could be visually pleasing and logical instead.
10. Abilities don't really have hotkeys (at least visible in the ability text name) for example Dwarven Medicine. Better use QWERT.
11. Enemies are pretty much scaled up versions of each other. Not much variety in what they do.

Generally, 100% reliant on Warcraft III material, just renamed abilities. Content is pretty much lacking and not that varied.
Some suggestions would be: items for the heroes (either gradually unlocked or found in places etc.), upgrades for the towers and units etc.

The map could use much more things going on. Take a look at similar maps of the genre for inspiration. Right now, it's very old-school and doesn't stand out.

Awaiting Update.

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The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
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Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description

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• A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
• A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
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The Ultimate Beginners Terrain Tutorial
Advanced Terraining Tutorial
A Guideline to Terraining and the Hive's Terraining Section
Various Terraining Tips!
Basic Mapping Video Tutorial
WE Map Editor for Newbies!
The Path Of Proper Map Making - What to do and what should be avoided

MELEE MAPPING
How to create Melee Maps
General - Melee Maps like the Professionals
Competitive Melee Map
Melee mapping - The reasons behind common aspects of competitive 1v1 maps
Melee Do's and Dont's

PATHING
Pathing - Everything about it
[Terraining] Alternative Pathing Technique

LEAKS
Triggers - Memory Leaks and Custom Scripts

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I've updated the map as requested, and have made most of the requested changes and fixes. I did not do 4 or 11, and only somewhat fixed 9 for reasons I will list below:

4: Units with Hero Models: There are only 2 of these (the Ram Rider and Border Guard), and they are hardly units you will see a lot in the map (plus there are no alternate models for them). I saw little reason to change their models. I did, however, add Hero glows to those heroes who did not have them.

11: What variation can really be added? Moria units have Evasion, Dol Guldur units now have Poison, and Gundabad has Bash and Critical Strike... not to mention the Trolls have Resistant and Hardened Skin, as well as Cleaving Attack. I see a lot of variation.

9: Units appearing from thin air. I moved the Spawn regions back slightly and made gate-like structures with the walls.

Otherwise, I have more or less made the map better, as instructed hopefully.

 

[The Sax]

Pretty cool map, a bit hard to play alone but has a lot of potential

 

[Unregret]

 

[deepstrasz]

Still feels rather simple. Might be a good idea to play some Defense/Survival and Strategy/Risk maps and learn more creative ways of making the gameplay less monotonous.

 

[deepstrasz]

The map has had some thinking put into it but overall it's very simple extensively using Warcraft III material (gameplay mechanics), scripted events being time based. There are far better maps of this type out there that overshadow this one, sadly.

Substandard.

 

[Fleck]

Hey, just played this. The map is missing map description.

May I suggest these models to replace the current Dwarven Plalanx and Crossbowman model since its doesn't look dwarvish.

Dwarven Phalanx

Dwarven halberdier unit. Maded from felguard. Don't use the custom textures. Now with retextured helmet and face. Now with fixed odd animations. Update: changed pike to more realistic. Keywords: dwarf, pike, pikeman, spear.

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Dwarven Guardsman

A capable fighter; a militia man able to return to his Town Hall and equip various workmans tools, to help gather resources, or repair structures. Feel free to use and/or edit this model, but remember to credit me. Just for reference, I'd thought of the Guardsman as a more permanent...

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Dwarf Crossbowman (variations)

"Watch yer back!" Technical info: Contains a distinctive portrait. Contains only in-game textures. The size of the models is optimized. UPDATE 11.12.22: see here. Author's notes: Special thanks to @UjimasaHojo for the Rifleman model. Feel free to use/edit the model but give credits...

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Since you intend to add more units for each force, I suggest adding the Ram Riders for the Dwarves like in the movie to the map. Though these unit models have heroglow but I'm sure I can esaily remove it if you need it.

Hero_Dwarven Ramrider

A fine dwarven ramrider model, something our database missed a long time now. Made the axe/hellbard longer, edited the head of the ram and changed the texture of the horns. Keywords: dwarven, ram, ramrider, hero, badass,

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Dwarven Ram Rider

Keywords: dwarven ram rider dwarf

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The terrain is pretty basic. I'm sure there are improvements but I don't have anything concrete to say. My terraining skills is pretty poor.

Maybe limit the number of units spawned for the northern orcs or add a second ai orc player since the orc army is pretty much paralyzed when they control too many units.

Maybe add quests in the questlog and a 10 seconds ping for where Bolg, I didn't know I was supposed to kill Bolg in the upper west corner. I should have read the gameplay spoiler

Update the units tooltips. For example, the Lake Spearman tooltip that can says he can learn Defend ability.

I enjoyed playing it and I'm looking to future updates

 

[FeelMyRash]

Hey, just played this. The map is missing map description.

May I suggest these models to replace the current Dwarven Plalanx and Crossbowman model since its doesn't look dwarvish.

Dwarven Phalanx

Dwarven halberdier unit. Maded from felguard. Don't use the custom textures. Now with retextured helmet and face. Now with fixed odd animations. Update: changed pike to more realistic. Keywords: dwarf, pike, pikeman, spear.

www.hiveworkshop.com

Dwarven Guardsman

A capable fighter; a militia man able to return to his Town Hall and equip various workmans tools, to help gather resources, or repair structures. Feel free to use and/or edit this model, but remember to credit me. Just for reference, I'd thought of the Guardsman as a more permanent...

www.hiveworkshop.com

Dwarf Crossbowman (variations)

"Watch yer back!" Technical info: Contains a distinctive portrait. Contains only in-game textures. The size of the models is optimized. UPDATE 11.12.22: see here. Author's notes: Special thanks to @UjimasaHojo for the Rifleman model. Feel free to use/edit the model but give credits...

www.hiveworkshop.com

Since you intend to add more units for each force, I suggest adding the Ram Riders for the Dwarves like in the movie to the map. Though these unit models have heroglow but I'm sure I can esaily remove it if you need it.

Hero_Dwarven Ramrider

A fine dwarven ramrider model, something our database missed a long time now. Made the axe/hellbard longer, edited the head of the ram and changed the texture of the horns. Keywords: dwarven, ram, ramrider, hero, badass,

www.hiveworkshop.com

Dwarven Ram Rider

Keywords: dwarven ram rider dwarf

www.hiveworkshop.com

The terrain is pretty basic. I'm sure there are improvements but I don't have anything concrete to say. My terraining skills is pretty poor.

Maybe limit the number of units spawned for the northern orcs or add a second ai orc player since the orc army is pretty much paralyzed when they control too many units.

Maybe add quests in the questlog and a 10 seconds ping for where Bolg, I didn't know I was supposed to kill Bolg in the upper west corner. I should have read the gameplay spoiler

Update the units tooltips. For example, the Lake Spearman tooltip that can says he can learn Defend ability.

I enjoyed playing it and I'm looking to future updates

I appreciate the feedback!

An update is on the way in the near future. I'll probably be coming back to Warcraft soon.

Regarding the Dwarf models - I'm aware they don't look Dwavish. In previous versions they used appropriate models (namely those made by General Frank) but I felt those models never "fit" together. The main reason I'm using "Footish" models is because they look more apart of the same army.

I agree that the Waves need work. I'll look into them when I'm back - maybe add more variety with less units on the other sides.

I'll update the tooltips as well.

I thought for sure there was a message that informs you of Bolg ingame... Guess I forgot to add one. I'll fix that as well.

Thanks for the feedback and glad you enjoyed the map. I hope the next update (possibly coming in mid-December) will be just as good

 

[cswking13yt]

The map is fine. The terrain is very poor and bad like there was almost no effort put into it.
At the start i was confused bc nothing was spawning, and from where i could explore with my units, there was no enemies and no details. Most of the units dont even have a voice track.

I GIVE IT A 1.2/5

 

[FeelMyRash]

The map is fine. The terrain is very poor and bad like there was almost no effort put into it.
At the start i was confused bc nothing was spawning, and from where i could explore with my units, there was no enemies and no details. Most of the units dont even have a voice track.

I GIVE IT A 1.2/5

I'm aware the terrain is poor (though saying no effort was put into it would be false). I am not good at terraining and I'm not sure what to fill the empty spots with.

The messages in the beginning explain that the enemies are coming. I feel like it'll ruin immersion to say "they are coming in five minutes", but if it really is a problem then I will do it.

There are not supposed to be enemies across the map, at least not at the moment. The map is supposed to feel like a desperate battle and exploration was not something I thought would be necessary.

Units don't have voice tracks because many are not suitable. If this is a big problem then I will add them.

Thank you for the review, but please try to give some suggestions for improvement if you have them. I am only a humble map maker and I cannot think of every way to improve the map or fix problems. Suggestions will help this map improve.