The Big Fellowship Quest V.5.2e

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Presentation

Select your hero and being your journey thought middle earth!! This map contains all events from three Lord of The Rings movies.Heroes which are available: Frodo,Sam,Merry,Pipin,Boromir,Gandalf,Aragorn,Legolas,Gimli, Boromir.
This map requires the use of teamwork. Do not be negative and work with other players to complete the map. This includes communication, and sharing items and gold with other players.
When picking skills it is recommended to pick the upgrade of your heal or self-heal ability when it becomes available which is normally at the 3rd and 5th levels of a character. If you choose an AoE ability, do NOT use it constantly. It will drain your mana and you will not have enough for your healing ability.



In-Depth

Sauron created the One Ring to control all countries of Middle Earth. But Isildur cut the ring from Saurons hand and took it for him self. The One Ring poisoned his spirit. Later he did get killed by orc troops and the ring was lost. Smeagol found it and he also took it for him self. His spirit has been corrupted, then he lost it to Bilbo who bequeathed it to Frodo. Frodo went to Rivendell, an elf city and the Middle-earth council decided to form the Fellowship of the Ring. Now the story goes on...


Everyone gets one revive per charakter so don't die two times else you are dead forever! Gameplay is simple, pick heal and other skills, heal yourself, team work with others.Kill monsters, orcs, be aware of bosses they have powerfull spells. The map also contains custom scenes and alternative story line of saving boromir at amon hen, LOTR voices,sounds,cutscenes and a lot of exclusive models.Sometimes in game you have to wait for others, its made like that because story has to be correct.Hobbits aren't weak so Don,t be afraid to play as them.

Additional informations

This map also has it's own Discord server all are welcome to join --------------------> Join the WC3 Fellowship Quest Discord Server! <-------- Remember that it's not only cteator who makes map but all people who help him at testing, report Bugs or suggest ideas at this server you can do it.This is also the only one fellowship map which is being updated in 2021

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5.2e is hot fix for 5.2c

5.2c ---> 5.2d





New stuff:
-secret ending after killing sauron has been added, however it has % chance to happen. secret ending doesnt work in easy mode.

Bug fix:
-fixed bug with lb soldiers not spawninga t black gate
-sam's passive protect mr frodo should now work propley and give all bonuses its supossed to
-sam cant anymore hit frodo with his parry, sam cant aswell knockback frodo with pan
-dead eye and power of the ring cannot be picked every lvl
-eowyn no longer can be hidden in corner of minas tirith while black gate starts
-frodo's sting no longer resets sam's pan cooldown
-heroes can enter mount doom even if frodo/sam died inside mount doom and sauron appeared then
-bug with frodo not being able to go futher if sam is dead has been fixed
-bug with fodo killing gollum after black gate began and being able to instantly move has been fixed

Balance change:
-sam knockbacks and stuns target every third hit while using pan, instead 25% like it was before. sam can now aswell stun bosses with his pan, he wasnt able to
-sam can now only walk away from target with his rope up to 770 range instead 1000, warning message has been added on sam that appears at 650 range, it informs player that if he walks futher rope will break
-sam's Q spell no longer gives armor bonus at lvl 3
-if only one hobbit is alive during the final fight with gollum at mt doom he will no longer have 2 seconds of casting time while using ability steal ring from gollum. The hobbit who is fighting gollum solo will get +3 armor buff.
-battle troll that spawns at frodo's and sam's way to mount doom will always spawn with 50% hp
- about 5 orcs have been removed from hobbit's way to mt doom
-gollum that spawns before hobbits enter mt doom during the maze has +100 movement speed
-if only one hobbit is alive at way to mt doom the rain of fire which falls at hobbit is slower by 3 seconds
-catapult at black gate has more range
-heroes get 100% hp and mana after mouth of sauron dies from normal black gate
-heroes get 70% hp and mana if they tp to sauron and the mouth of sauron is alreday dead (if mouth is alive while they tp to sauron then they get 100% hp and mana)
-shelob's spiders are no longer immune to magic
-banner of gondor always spawns even if white tree died, but now if white tree died amount of soldiers owned by player light blue is reduced.
-orcs at black gate spawn every 38 seconds of game instead every 36
-frodo's ulti deals less dmg to gollum and shelob
-mouth of sauron's silence lasts 2 seconds longer
-saurons eye at black gate has bigger debuff



Other changes:
-tool tip for heroes atribute bonus has been fixed
-sam's pan sound isnt that much loud
-there is 10 seconds of break beetwen killing mouth and cut scene at normal blackgate
-serach for frodo and protect frodo ability no longer have same icons
-game now informs hobbits that wargs at way to mt doom can hit orcs
-every hero can now enter mt doom after killing sauron, heroes can aswell exit volcano






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5.2b ---> 5.2c
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-sauron's arena moved in order to use the place on the map more effective
-way to mt doom + final gollum fight for frodo and sam reworked and normal black gate
-frodo's and sam's abilities have been changed, special items for them were changed aswell.
-bug with aragorn's sword ability fixed.
-aragorn's might of the dunedain ability was bit nerfed in ranged version.
-gamlign's abilities have been fixed, some of them worked only on heroes
-boromir's horn item aoe gets improved late game
-most of abilities descriptions have been reworked
(ONLY FRODOS AND SAMS ABILITIES WERE CHANGED!!!!!! SPELLS FOR OTHER CHARACTERS WERENT! OLD FOR SOME HEROES OLD ABILITIES GAVE FALSE INFO)
-fixed bug with voting for impossible mode
-if frodo and sam die at way to mt doom or againts gollum then sauron will still appear, chracters will be teleported from the defeault black gate to black gate with sauron
-aragorn cannot anymore create double leadership effects by using tome of retraining
-when aragorn dies permanently leadership is removed from his ally
-if very ez mode is picked heroes get lvl 5 at start


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5.2b is hot fix for 5.2a


5.1f ---> 5.2a


This version mainly fixes a bugs that occoured in 5.1f

bug fix:
-bosses now should use their spells
-theoden now should work propley and teleport on battle field (helms deep) while being under control of light blue
-aragorns bow no longer drains mana when clicked in bow mode
-aragorn no longer has chance to bug his might of duneadin ability ater the watcher dies
-aragorn no longer summons worker with his ability
-fixed the bug that gave pippin courage of the shire effect no matter where pippin targeteg with the spell
-theodens and eomers summon gamling ability should now work propley
-pippins courage no longer triggers saurons shield
-fixed the bug with aragorn sometimes setting on fire unit even if he didnt active the flame sword


Gameplay change:
-aragorns might of the duneadin (W) ability nerfed in bow mode, in meele mode it has limit of targets, i think its 8 however it has also more aoe but less knockback distance
-after amon hen ends pippin is able to use apple item on himself too, pippin's apple description change every time pippin uses the apple, the description says whats next bonus going to be
-helms deep has new cap system if number of alive uruks equals to 100 or is greather than 100 then the new uruks stop spawning but if number of alive uruks is less than 100 they start spawning
-eomers spawn location at pelenor fields moved

Other changes (minor)
-changed snow texture and texture of rocks, its a bit preparation for unfreezing chardarass, however i dont believe i will do it fast because i wont have a time in one month to edit this map
-the new music that has higher quality is less louder






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5.1e --> 5.1f

new things
-Aragorn reworked:
1)use able item
2)new ulti
3)new spell on w thats different in ranged mode
4)leadership's bonuses changed

-Pippin reworked
1) use able item
2) new spell instead earth spirits
3) courage of shire nerfed
4) new passive ability that works differently in sword/throw rock mode


Gameplay change:
-theoden's horse charge has been bit changed
-theoden's sword item was changed too, mostly its balance
-cd of resummoning gamling is now longer if gamling died.
-gamlings speed bonus bit nerfed
-warg riders are immune to knockback
-gamling no longer can help trio at death path
-gamling's horn and bandage works now on heroes
-gamling can use his abilities faster
-for frodo, back stab's description was moved to string (his item)
-if only 1 hobbit is alive (sam or frodo) then group of urukhai at beginning of maze when the part two towers begins gets nerfed


Bug fix:
-eomers&theoden horse charge ability is no longer permanently removed from them if they died during horse mode
-fixed the bug with theoden having double charge abilities
-fixed rare bug with characters dying at gandalf returning to helms deep cut scene
-possibly fixed bug with gamling's NPC unit gain ability


other changes:
-amon hen, and the music played during two towers or return of the king has now higher quality
-bill has new model
-once again some scripts were changed or optimized i will make a list of things that got touched so if something is incorect you can tell me
1) some of sound's variables are now removed from memory after they finished playing
2) changed a bit the way units are spawned during saurons fight
3) trigger that gives gold of leavers to active players got changed
4) some location's variables that werent removed, are now removed from memory
5) changed the way some unit groups in memory are created
6) changed the way AI is ordered to fight at pelenor fields

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5.1d --> 5.1e


Gameplay change:
-Theodens skill set has been fully reworked, for now eomer has same skill set as Theoden.
-Eomer starts with same lvl and amount of experience as theoden had while dying at pelenor fields.
-Lutrz gets 67% of hp if only one member from trio is alive meanwhile lutrz spawns
-impossible mode requires more votes for 9 players in game its 7 votes required.
-balance of dead eye has been very slightly changed
-added check point after watcher dies, however it gives only 100% life and 60% mana
-helms deep spawn gets disabled a bit later now than in previous version, i mean disabling uruk hai spawn when the castle is flooded with urukhai
-urukhai in helms deep spawns now every 19 seconds of game, in old version it was every 22 seconds, 4 rohan soldiers have been removed from helms deep.
-gimlis axe can hit only 9 enemies max however it deals higher damage per lvl, the damage per lvl is now 16.
-reduced the amount of rohan riders at pelenor fields by 6
-boromirs ultimate spell slightly nerfed
-one lvl of attribute bonus (heroes stats) has been removed
-boromirs taunt spell has been changed and has 100 range less
-all heroes in game have same prioryty now, i am not sure if it matters but i found out there is in editor value called unit priority, its probably responsible for Ai aiming units with low priority

Bug fix:
-amon hen spawn for frodo and sam at the camp will no longer be disabled if 1 of the hobbits was dead.
-fixed the conditions for ending of minas tirith battle it should work now propley.

other changes:
-Any warnings about clokey have been removed, clokey has been forgiven.
-removed not really needed trigger that was running every time unit died on map and was put on waiting, i hope this can improve a bit fps during battles, however now bodies of dead units will stay on ground longer for few seconds



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5.1b and 5.1c and 5.1d are hot fixes for 5.1a




5.0f--->5.1a







New things
-Boromir has new model, new ability on horn item, new special ability, and the shiel of gondor defend ability has been changed a bit. boromirs ulti is still same but i got renamed.
-gimli has new item ability throw axe

Bug fix:
-eowyn no longer dies during minas tirith cut scene
-bug with bad randomization for some starting items fixed
-probably fixed major bug that didnt allow black gate to happen sometimes but now also battle of minas tirith will end when aragorn came and number of alive orcs next to minas tirith equals to 3 or is less than 3

Other minor changes:
-reworked a trigger that gives share of leavers to other players, it no longers check 100 if/then/else conditions every second of game. if there are any bugs with control let me know
-gandalf the gray has lighter skin
-new portrait for rohan soldier merry
-passage beetwen east and west osghiliat has been added
-some things were bit nerfed but i wont mention them because people never try to understant why i make nerfs, no one will really care if i add 100 new spells and items but if i make small nerf everyone will complain about it xd.
-knockback for mumakils at pelenor fields has been removed because its probably source of fatal lag that leads to 1 fps.
-changed a bit knockback's trigger for ents, trolls and sauron.






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5.0e--->5.0f
-bug with helms deep triggering twice fixed





5.0d ---> 5.0e

New things
-Gandalf the gray, mounted eowyn, mounted and dismounted theoden have new models
Bug fixs:
-fixed the bug with witch king killing frodo and sam at part 3 of game
-king aragorn's arrows should be now visible while hes using ranged mode

Other stuff:
-i changed the way game orders orcs at osghiliat to aim gondor's units i think it should be less laggy now hoever i doubt its responssible for 1 fps drop that happens sometimes







5.0c ---> 5.0d
-game still lags gg done a few changes and removed wait actions from some triggers


5.0b ----> 5.0c



-Once again a lot of job was put into optimization, i still found memory leaks that could have been responsible for lags
-removed alt path to save boromir cuz some people complained its againts lore
-water in isengard is less laggy
-death king shouldnt bug anymore and go out of his area
-fixed bug with merry not having rohan outfit if he was in ranged mode after killing saruman
-the change about boromir remove is late april joke xddddd i wonder if anyone believed such change





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5.0a ----> 5.0b




New things:
-pippin has gondor outfit skin when he uses his ultimate skill
-merry has rohan outfit skin after saruman dies
-gandalf the white has new horse and foot model

Bug fix
-Some changes in the map were done to prevent the 1 fps lag spike, however only by testing we can know if it got better. i am just guessing its something i added in recent updates so i removed one thing i added in recent update to check in this update if it will help
-fixed bug that allowed treebeard to do fargorn alone if pippin and merry were killed by grishniak
-goblin trap no longer spawns in death marshes
-Death king no longers gets 50% of hp if all heroes are alive
-gimli's and aragorn's corpses no longer grow while dying
-all kindnapers should be now removed when merry and pippin are moved from amon hen to fargorn so situation where trio can save hobbits shouldnt happen anymore
-fixed bug that caused sometimes endlessly spawning of urukhai at the camp after frodo and sam left amon hen.

Minor changes
-adjuset some animation speed for eowyn and aragorns models if its not enought let me know
-name of some game modes has been changed

Gameplay changes:
-Urukhai at helms deep stop spawning if the uruks are near the keep



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4.9f ---> 5.0a
Note this ver was not beta tested, so if there are any major bugs report it to me as fast as possible.

With the game becoming laggy sometimes i decided to do a lot of optimization at the triggers, i really hope it gets better now we have to find it out in this version, also note if something that always worked is bugged report it to me it means it got broken when i was changing triggers

New things:
-Aragorn has new models

Gameplay changes:
-Orcs at minas tirith stop spawning if the white tree of gondor is dead and witch king is dead or he escaped pelenor fields (nope, you cant win without aragorn its just done for optimization and less lag)
-lvl book is moved away from theoden
-for the optimization purposes reduced amount of fog and rain in helms deep and osghiliat
-the spawn location of heroes ,that arrive to defeault isengard after battle of helms deep was won, got changed. now also merry and pippin will teleport to that location too
-first gollum got slightly nerfed againts solo hobbit.

Bug fix:
-Gimlis mighty blow ability is fxed
-The down time of heroes reviving is changed from 2 seconds to 3 seconds, this change also fixed bug that took away heroes's sight radius after dying
-Death king has less Hp againts solo legolas or solo aragorn.





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4.9e ----> 4.9f

hot fix for 4.9e fixed major bug with sams dying, attachments for merry and pippin.



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4.9d ------> 4.9e

Art:
-Whole outside of edoras reworked and has new look
-terrain at Eomer's cut scene with trio was bit uppered to pretend people from seeing ugly flat space
-Eomer has new portrait
-Elven archers are litle bigger
-Shop at fargorn has new model
-Changed the time to night when entering lothorien
-New models:
1)Hobbits
2)Gimli
3)Legolas
4)Elrond
5)Eomer
6)Theoden
7)Riders of rohan
8)Elrond
9)Eowyn only foot version
10) Rohan villagers


Gameplay changes:
-Added tome of retraining to lorien shop
-Treebeard's throw spell has bit more dmg
-Theoden's lvl book is moved litle far away from theoden
-Story mode no longer substracts lvl of heroes when they die and no one can revive them but it substracts -1 all stats, also players have 2 lifes at story mode
-Legolas's abilities have been reworked
-When Sam permanently dies at amon hen 4 orcs next to sam will be removed from game, this only works if frodo is alive and sam didnt meet frodo yet
-Watcher can no longer deal dmg with his stomp to the person who is being stunned by the arms
-At amon hen the invisible blocker was replaced with 3 tress to make it more obvious for new players that they can't go to the camp before hobbits meet eachother
-Players can now see what mode other players voted at start of game
-Some texts at start of game were changed
-If Frodo or Sam permanently dies then hobbit who is alive will get +3 bonus to all stats
-Mushrooms have new model to make it obvious and eye catching
-all shops on map have the text over them that says Shop, this change is meant to make shops more obvious for new players
-When merry or pippin gets kindnaped during amon hen a red big text that says HELP ME will appear over them, this change is meant to make it more obvious for new players
-Elendil has less mana cost at lvl 2 and 3 and lasts 1 second longer
-Bill's feeding cd lowered
-Lowered master chef's mana cost at lvl 3 for Sam.



Bug fixes:
-fixed a trigger in osghiliat that probably led to downgrade of FPS if hobbit died druing osghiliat
-Grishniak's colission at fargorn will be no longer turned off during treebeard's knockbacks him because sometimes treebeard can throw him out of forest.
-Probably fixed critical bug with pause that can lead to the end of game if its used right before cut scene
-Fixed bug with leadership that allowed players to have x2 of leadership buffs at same time
-changed location of some dooads at the watcher to pretend characters to being thrown out of area
-Using serach for mr frodo spell will no longer disturb frying pan for sam
-Probably fixed the bug with Frodo being able to go to sam before sam came to him
-Fixed the bug with Frodo and Sam not being able to leave amon hen at story mode
-Probably fixed the bug with characters turning around at start of game
-Hobbit who enters as first minas morgul area is no longer able to remove second hobbit from osghiliat if he was still there

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4.9c------>4.9d


4.9D New/Modified content
-New story mode with alternative content 100% locked.Heroes can revive at check points
-New tip system that displays messages throughout the game giving useful information.
-New anti leaver troll system. when someone leaves you can type a command to start the vote that decides who should get share of leaver its usefull feature to prevent other ppl trolling leaver
terrain changes, 2 areas fully reworked:
1) Lorien and Rivendel have been completely revamped.
2) Some terrain changes at the exit of moria,way to mount doom after killing Sauron,Zone where trio walks after amon hen before they meet Eomer aswell as the place with statues which you can see before Amon Hen has been changed.



Bug fixes
-Possibly fixed a rare bug that was taking away everyone's gold
-Fixed issue with call for aid button, it now works normaly for Legolas and Aragorn.
-Fixed bug caused by the latest reforged pacht that made some rocks on map invisible
-Frodo can no longer rush to Sam if he spawned on the right side of Amon Hen.
-The triggers that revive characters were optimized so some bugs can be expected.
-Possibly fixed a bug with teal's call for aid button being available at black gate when teal's hero has full hp
-Feeding Bill's ability will no longer have CD if Sam uses this ability when he has no more gold
-Sharp rock at the start of Frodo's and Sam's maze is now owned by neutral player in order to prevent a rare bug that killed hobbits after cut scene with sharp rock ended

Gameplay changes
-Pippin and Merry receive now vision over Grishniak in the fargorn forest, once he spawns
-Once again for 100 th time i tried to make aiming volley bit easier
-At Frodo's and Sam's part of Amon hen,only one uruk should have a net skill, if the uruk with net skill dies then another one should spawn in next wave.in the previous version a lot of uruks with nets used to spawn.
-an voting to sail away from lothorien was added.
-Beer in Moria will now always drop from the last group of goblins before the tomb.
-There is now a 10 seconds delay in Balin's Tomb before goblins will spawn,the gate will now be attackable aswell by the goblins.
-Some goblins in Moria now have poison instead of bash.
-Gandalf has a new passive ability called immortality,whenever he dies and has no lifes left he will revive but lose some of his power(levels), it also means its no longer game over if gandalf dies
-When Merry or Pippin gets kindnaped during Amon Hen,their call for help sound will be automaticaly played
-Removed the droppable tomes from enemies before and in Moria.
-The spawn of uruks for frodo and sam near boats at amon hen will begin when the repair ability is used for the first time.
-All except 1 Uruk-hai traps at Amon Hen are now replaced with wooden logs, players will now receive vision of the logs as well.
-Banners from alternative black gate(Sauron) have been removed for now.
-Sauon,Battle trolls,Ents and Treebeard now have a new ability called greater bash, it pulls away the target and stuns it for 2 seconds.
-When Gandalf arrives the battle of helms deep will be over if number of alive uruks is less than 3.


Minor changes
-new voice line for gimli during balins tomb battle
-new heal effect and animation for Sam's (Q) and Frodo's (Q)
-Lembas bread, elven water and the rocks that frodo and sam can pick at Amon hen now have new models.
-Boats at amon hen now have new models, Heroes are now also visible during the cuscene.
-The english text in the map has been polished.
-Bill now loses lifepoints instead of mana
-The clickable rock's text about the downtime of charadrass path release has been updated.
-the Call for aid button is now disabled during few cut scenes at part 1 of story.
-One more voice line for call for aid button has been added.,only for the 9 main heroes.
-Latest WC3 patch made it so the tress now can now propely use custom models,All the tress now have custom models.
-Old models that were in the map's memory but weren't used have been removed, so if some model or skin thats useful was removed by mistake it should be reported to me so i can re-add the said model

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4.9b ----->4.9c

Other changes:
-Updated the link for discord of this map, map has new discord.



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4.9a ----> 4.9b

New things:
-treebeard has new ability grab and throw orc

Bug fix:
-when teal player will click call for aid button, the help text shouldnt be shown under random heroes anymore


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4.8f -----> 4.9a


new things:
-if king theoden is dead then lady eowyn will lead ronhirim charge at pelenor fields, if both eowyn and theoden are dead then still king theoden will lead charge

Bug fix
-fixed the bug that made call for aid button visible permanently when the hero died forever, or when gandalf or boromir died
-fixed the dying at black gate, in 4.8f it wasnt fixed propley game could have ended if 1-2 persons were alive at black gate
-eowyn or beregond cannot be killed anymore by orcs at black gate when the game ends
-treebeard no longer is affected by the logs at fargorn that slow him
-tired to fix possiblity of spliting the trolls at the start
-witch king should now spawn normaly at pelenor fields
-fixed bug with orcs retreating too ereally at osghiliat
-the message about treebeard staying neutral will no longer appear when merry and pippin are dead out of fargorn
-fixed the bug that didnt show 2d portrait of white gandalf at horse
-fixed the bug that occoured only when you save boro, if all of the uruks from the statue are lured to alt path thats available when u save boro game wont end now.
-whole map is no longer visible during rohan coming to minas cut scene also the rohan coming to minas sound is now only hearable for merry,pippin,gandalf and theoden player
-the items at right shop on lvl 2 at minas are now sellable without having to run behind the shop

Gameplay change:
-the cd of hobbit's prepare boat skill at amon hen has been changed from 16 seconds to 11, added (no exp or gold) to name of orcs which dont give gold or exp during frodos and sams amon hen, uruk scouts have 5 speed less, the info of tip signs at frodo's and sam's amon heen have been updated, the uruks that spawn on frodo till sam comes are limited they can spawn maximum 5 times. 5 times x 2 uruks = 10 uruks, the starting spots at amon hen for frodo and sam are slightly changed
-sauron has 1k hp less and no longer can dispell summons from merry, eomer and beregond, banner at saurons fight gives now movement speed to orcs and sauron, it no longer slows the fellowship heroes, sauron has also 1 armor less
-night elf race in the lobby is changed to human in order to save some space in the map
-the white raising when gandalf is found is now only shown for players who are watching this cut scene
-cd of the help button has been increased from 7 to 10 seconds, also no longer the text that someone needs help will appear but a buff over the unit who requires help will appear so like that help button is less annoying
-mordor banner at sauron fight has 150 less hp
-changed the boromir's portrait during minas tirith
-tired to make legolas's aiming with volley bit easier idk if its helpful
-functions of the call of aid button are turned off at all the cut scenes till end of amon hen (button still can be clicked but wont work)

Other changes
-better coursor, made by luckythriteen

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4.8e ----> 4.8f


New things:
-Gandalf the gray, treebeard have new models, also boromir has gondorian skin during minas tirith siege the gandalfs , treebeards models and boromirs skin were sponsored by gimli007
-ents that are controled by hobbits during isengard siege have now two models
-some new elements of ui
-gandalf now leaves his hat at balins tomb (its inspired from movie, he left his hat at the tomb)
-added call for aid button in right down corner. when player presses a message will appear that his char needs help, and sound HELP MEEEEE will play (another sound than while dying)


Gameplay change:
-camera shake during using shrooms is little nerfed
-the maximum lvl that frodo and sam can gain at amon hen is lvl 6
-added difficulty voting at start
-starting cut scene is now shorter by at least 10 seconds
-now it will be shown on the screen who voted yes or no at votekick
-all the items that are available at shops have reworked descriptions
-the damage from watcher's war stomp is increased from 120 to 240
-for frodo and amon hen the boat that isnt repair by hobbits will be removed from game after one of hobbit will use their repair ability
-the patrolling uruks, and the green orc scouts at amon hen dont give anymore gold when they die. so it means theres no really big point to kill them
-lowered a bit sight range of orc scouts
-removed 2 traps from randomly spawn in amon hen
-changed a bit terrain at amon hen for frodo and sam, to make sure there wont be situation where traps spawns in one place and hobbits wont have any other way to pass around them
-ring now steals 8% of frodos max hp
-sams frying pan hotkey changed to e
-treebeard shouldnt get now dmg from wild brush
-for boro's team at amon hen the choke was readded but in other place that mostly meant for situation when only 2 of 3 heroes are alive

Bug fixes:
-fixed the bug that hapenned rare and didnt let gray palyer have vision of amon hen end cut scene
-players cannot move their heroes when entering moria while the screen is black
-using shield bash will no longer remove effects from boromir
-fixed the bug that allowed goblins to hit frodo/sam even when they used ring in balins tomb battle
-fixed the bug that didnt let black gate happen if eowyn and merry were dead before WK spawned
-fixed the defeat conditions at normal at black gate which were working a bit in previous ver but not rly propley
-treebeard no longer can be hited by wild brush
-fixed the bug that tped 1 of hobbit instantly to the camp if the second hobbit was killed inside camp
-fixed the bug with the ! on the trolls head not being shown propley
-also the patroling uruk hai before the camp wont anymore aim hobbits if they are in middle of tress
-if frodo/sam uses ring and walks near the orc scouts or the patroling uruks (the part of amon hen before camp) the uruks wont turn into enemies
-fixed the bug which didnt teleport frodo/sam futher, if one of them was dead meanwhile boat was repaired by second hobbit
-orc scouts at amon hen shouldnt have any problems with aiming frodo or sam now
-orc scouts will no longer attack frodo/sam when hes using the one ring
-blizzard fixed function to change name of players in game, so in next warcraft patch everyone should have character name near their nickname, just like it was in old frozen throne
-lowered a bit colission of the boats for frodo and sam at amon hen
-pressing enter meanwhile votekick was began will no longer lead to acciendly voting
-corspes will be no longer shown under bill's feets
-probably fixed the bug with orcs at osghiliat attacking only one bridge

Very minor changes:
-giant is now renamed to boss
-added info at right up corner that shows the number of version u are playing
-probably fixed the bug that showed the horn of gondor buff under aragorn when he uses leadership


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4.8d ---> 4.8e

New things:
-few new ui icons
-Fully reworked amon hen for frodo and sam
- Some uruks that spawn againts Boromir Merry Pip in amon hen can kindnap hobbits (same mehanism as againts watcher

Bug fix:
-sarumans flame strike no longer can destroy tress in fargorn
-frodos backstab ignores the armour of the units so it will deal now a bit more dmg
-orcs at osghiliat go throught both bridges now
-all issues with leadership are fully fixed
-frodos and sams cloak will be no longer removed when they switch to rock mode at death marshes
-changed the way aragorn receives king form to avoid serveral issues with it
-fixed the bug by removing patrol button that occoured only when sam/frodo played solo and they could not get hobbits cloak because of not enought spell slots
-fixed the problem with too much arms spawning randomly at start of battle, also changed amount of spawn of starting arms to 4




Gameplay change:
-merrys, eomers, beregonds ulti is available at saurons fight but at half of its power
-reworked shades at death marshes
-made sure that mountain trolls at start cannot be splited
-leadership's effect will be removed from allies if aragorn is permanently dead
-leadership has new icons
-grabbed hero will be auto selected for the owner of hero after arm that grabbed him is killed
-Rohan no longer has to kill 1 orc to trigger minas tirith event, it should trigger when all tents are found
-a red ! (exclamation mark) will now appear on watcher 2.5 seconds before he casts his warstomp that knockbacks, also war stomp deals now 120 dmg, in previous ver it didnt deal any dmg
-exclamation mark will appear aswell for short time before cave troll casts war stomp, his war stomp dmg is buffed by 20 dmg
-changed the way volley works, volleys arrows can hit more than 1 unit, also the dmg from arrows is reduced if they hit boss unit
-moria entrace better effects
-added check point after minas tirith that puts heroes mana and hp to 100% (check point works only if they fight vs sauron)
-legolas starts now with elven wine item
-sauron is buffed, he has now shield if he uses it and someone casts spells on him during his shield then heroes near sauron are damaged and stunned, also added the mordor banner that randomly spawns and gives debuff, mordor banner is kill able
-litle nerf of uruks for boromirs team at amon hen since the kindnap mehanism was added (i will do bigger nerf if needed)
-aragorn no longer loses 200 hp of max life in ranged mode but now he loses -3 armor in ranged mode
-descriptions of all aragorns abilities are reworked


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4.8c ---> 4.8d

New things:
-Frodo has new passive ability backstab
-New music in moria,during watcher fight and night during watcher fight. also new music during balin tomb battle

Bug fixes:
-probably fixed bug where some heroes can be thrown into lava by using gimlis jump at bridge of khaza dum thats not sure since this bug happens hardly ever if it happens again report it
-bill cannot vote for difficulty modes
-hopefully fixed the bug with arms making some heroes permanently dissapear
-mumakils dont have devour
-hobbits are no longer able to receive two hobbit cloak abbilities
-osghiliat will now probably create less lags in game
-bill doesnt steal exp from heroes
-leadership switch button for aragorn fixed, same with the bug where aragorn isnt able to use leadership even if hes at meele mode
-fixed leadership's description it said it was able to regen mana
-aragorn in king's form shouldnt have any problems with leadership now
-fixed bug on hard mode game will not end if heroes died
-volley more dmg on lvl 1, arrows have bigger colission




Gameplay changes:
-volley bit buffed
-frodos heal has 2 second less on cd on every lvl
-flamestrike instead firetrap near bridge of khaza dum added
-if frodo is dead then sam will instantly heal by 175 hit points when using marlon tree (it works only at parts amon hen - osghiliat. it doesnt work againts shelob or anywhere futher if frodo is dead)
-fight with the watcher remaked once again
-killing arms from watc
-treebeard no longer steals hobbit's exp so 2 lvl books from fargorn are removed
-lego's knive hotkey changed to e
-urukhai in fargorn that have to be doodged with hobbit cloak no longer have cirtical strike
-earth spirits buffed
-to save boromir, boromir,aragorn legolas, gimli and pippin or merry has to be alive
-gandalf is not able to take torch from moria
-mountains trolls at the start no longer can be splited when luring them
-Boromir's splash on wrath buffed
-critical strike on wargs bit buffed
-merrys firework litle debuffed
-changed targetting of lvl 1 cripple for legolas
-pan's addonital dmg buffed
-urukhai captains are removed from boromir's team spawn at amon hen


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4.8b --> 4.8c

(Note the changelog is not excatly, i might have forgotten about some changes)

1.New things (mostly spells)

1)Legolas
-changed the way volley works, only 1 arrow can hit 1 target, also improved dmg per arrow but made less arrows, arrow also slows the target
-elven knives have now life steal
-volley cant be used in knives mode
-legolas cripple is now aoe 1/2/3 targets

2)Sam
-Parry has a few % of chance less
-instead earth spirits added frying pan
-instead potatoes added mallon tree, aoe heal and armor boost

3)Boromir
-wrath no longer gives % chance to stun and knockback, but instead it gives splash
-new ability shield bash charge

4)Aragorn
-aragorn's heal skill has new effect and works in bit diff way
-new ability instead evasion leadership, aragorn can share some bonus abilities to ally

5)Pippin
-new ability instead evasion, courage of shire

6)Merry
-new ability instead fan of knives, firework

7)frodo
-a heal skills that works a bit different

-Hobbits have now capes, sam and frodo have backpacks
-Merry gets bit another outfit when he joins rohan army
-Changed fighting with the watcher boss, arms can now grab fellowship members
-bill is now a hero
-added fire trap near bridge of khaza dum
-since new spells were added difficulty is changed to suit new spells



Bug fix:
-some traps in moria are no longer killed by rockfall
-if 1 person is alive game will not end at black gate now
-1 dwarven beer should now drop for 100% before balin tomb
-amon hen will now end if less than 2 uruks are alive, same for a rock before gandalf the white, it was done that way to avoid bugs where one of uruk was thrown into tress so game couldnot be continued
-items have less chance to spawn under barlogs feet, or at least should be easier to click
-hopefully fixed the bug with gollum at mount doom, gollum shouldnt leave mount doom anymore on his own.
-fixed the bug where people could avoid a rockfall place in moria by going around it

Minor changes or balance changes
-elendil no longer can slow movement speed of units since volley is able to do it now.
-death king has less hit points if gimli is alive as the only one character
-frodo's rock mode cant be used when sting is active
-uruks have now 40 more hit points
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The Big Fellowship Quest V.5.2e (Map)

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Daffa
Too long as Awaiting Update. Substandard until the author updates and requested another review.
deepstrasz
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To be perfectly honest, i hate the models used for characters. On this site are models from War of the ring games (by HerrDave) that would fit much better in my opinion, these simply look so much out of place, especially since some characters have movie models and others don't. That may be just my bias since i like the wc3 feel, and have fond memories of playing this map with friends when aragorn was a reskin of arthas, but its just ugly in my opinion.

Aragorn (WotR)
(for example)

That's just my main gripe with the map, otherwise it not bad, fun at times and kinda hard in some places, abilities could use some work also, and grammar needs fixing.

Also, lags a lot due to the number of units, but this is probably due to me playing on a laptop from 2012. (If no one else is getting lag issues disregard this.)
 
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To be perfectly honest, i hate the models used for characters. On this site are models from War of the ring games (by HerrDave) that would fit much better in my opinion, these simply look so much out of place, especially since some characters have movie models and others don't. That may be just my bias since i like the wc3 feel, and have fond memories of playing this map with friends when aragorn was a reskin of arthas, but its just ugly in my opinion.

Aragorn (WotR)
(for example)

That's just my main gripe with the map, otherwise it not bad, fun at times and kinda hard in some places, abilities could use some work also, and grammar needs fixing.

Also, lags a lot due to the number of units, but this is probably due to me playing on a laptop from 2012. (If no one else is getting lag issues disregard this.)



Wow you are frist guy who says such things xd. No one ever minded models.Are you sure about your opinion? i think custom maps shouldnt remind much of normal wc3 map. I didnt like arthas aragorn which was in 3.5f he even had arthas sword frost.I alreday tested and models from this webside dont suit well game.Its because most of style of models is not warcraft 3 style. Most of lotr models for this map is made in wc3 style.So in games it comes out that they are more fat and have too big heads/ sword/arms than rest of characters. I dont like aragorn you posted because he doesnt remind me movie aragorn at all and i think if i add him to game then his details will be too big like his sword will be same as hobbits body size.Which untis dont have movie models? i thought all does xd. Also remember that there arent many lotr models. For example gimli doesnt have model on the hive workshop he has just his skin oh and also herrdave made gimli recently but it doesnt remind gimli from movie at all.Also keep in mind that aragorn has second model, his bow form.I think both models of aragorn wearing sword and bow should be same else it would be ugly.


I am still working on map but slowly.New version is relased every 45 days.You should put any abbilites idea there or on my discord.Will be hard for me to fix grammar since english isnt my native languange.So it would be nice to get help from someone whos perfect at english or is native speaker.I think new ver will be rework of frodo and sam game.I also plan to make there a system of mini games, like canned bread or uther party.I wanna bring there something else than just killing orcs and healing yourself.I have been thinking to rework dead marshes and make it so hobbits have to avoid ghosts which are pattroling way

Where do you get lags? I suposse major battles like helms deep, isengard, osghiliat? It might be kinda hard to fix i could make a bit smaller amount of enemy units and buff them to balance it out. But enemies cant be too stronk else i have to buff heroes and it will lead to rebalance of whole game.And also i noticed i have light lags at major battles like i just mentioned
 
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Could you review now this map?
Please credit everything in the map thread description, sounds, music etc. from where they were taken from.

  1. Frodo's Sting Stab has a passive looking icon. You can make it look active with this: Button Manager v1.8.2 Same with Merry's Eat Bacon and other spells.
  2. Spell icon positioning isn't like in the learn menu. Merry's Elven Knives goes right after Eat Bacon instead of on the spot after that. Frodo's Evasion is passive and has an active icon.
  3. Some abilities don't have a proper description in the learn menu (no values etc.). Sting Stab doesn't mention any values even after learning it. Learn about descriptions:
    Tooltip Tutorial
    Creating Good Descriptions
  4. Boromir's Wrath has the Berserker buff. You should edit it adequately.
  5. Mostly Warcraft III spells.
  6. Gandalf's Staff says you can click on it but nothing happens.
  7. Gandalf's Extra Heal has no description.
  8. Pathing blockers are required in many places as the heroes can get through doodads and trees. Check for pathing pressing P or selecting it in the menu bar's View tab.
  9. Bridges should be properly placed raising/lowering them with CTRL+PAGE UP/PAGE DOWN.
  10. Some parts of the map look unnatural, cluttered like a maze. Also, linearity.
  11. Could have made a minor blizzard to hurt the players when reaching the avalanche. Actually, never mind, afterwards there is plenty of pain.
  12. The goblin traps give Unholy Aura buffs on the player heroes.
  13. Visibility in the mines is eye damaging.
  14. Units selected during cinematic mode.
  15. You could add hero glow to heroes if you want: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
  16. Maybe less Warcraft III items.
  17. Are you supposed to see Gandalf the White and Theoden on the map if they are inactive? Merry and Pippin remain paused along with some orcs. The starting zone should be under fog of war too.
  18. Smeagol's description is that of the Ghoul, even the icon.
  19. Faramir says follow his men but he stays there with the men and suddenly appears somewhere else when you get farther.
  20. The problem with the game is that it renders some players temporarily inactive. Shouldn't someone play with Faramir?
  21. During the Faramir fight with the orcs, the enemy appears out of thin air and might suddenly surround you.
  22. What after max level?
  23. Melee heroes like Frodo can attack the flying Nazgul.
  24. Suddenly, the Witch King killed Faramir.
  25. Reaching Eomer, the whole map was discovered for a while instead of a cinematic scene or transmission. Same with Gandalf the White.
  26. There's a neutral Gandalf the White too where Merry and Pippin are.
  27. When Merry and Pippin come close to the neutral Gandalf the White, nothing happens. Same with Treebeard. Same with meeting Theoden.
  28. Some enemies will remain on the way to Helm's Deep instead of getting inside.
  29. Much of the fortress is floating in the air because of improperly being placed on the terrain.
  30. Transitions are brutal. You many times don't know when an event ends and another starts. Maybe because I played it solo?
  31. Theoden can get past the rocks invulnerable and meet the other Theoden shouting at the riders.
  32. Mumakill have a small selection circle.
  33. Reaching the Mouth of Sauron, the allied army is one on top of the other.
  34. The Water of Isengard should have the Locust ability so you would not be able to select it.

Good ideas which need polishing.

Approved.


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Please credit everything in the map thread description, sounds, music etc. from where they were taken from.

  1. Frodo's Sting Stab has a passive looking icon. You can make it look active with this: Button Manager v1.8.2 Same with Merry's Eat Bacon and other spells.
  2. Spell icon positioning isn't like in the learn menu. Merry's Elven Knives goes right after Eat Bacon instead of on the spot after that. Frodo's Evasion is passive and has an active icon.
  3. Some abilities don't have a proper description in the learn menu (no values etc.). Sting Stab doesn't mention any values even after learning it. Learn about descriptions:
    Tooltip Tutorial
    Creating Good Descriptions
  4. Boromir's Wrath has the Berserker buff. You should edit it adequately.
  5. Mostly Warcraft III spells.
  6. Gandalf's Staff says you can click on it but nothing happens.
  7. Gandalf's Extra Heal has no description.
  8. Pathing blockers are required in many places as the heroes can get through doodads and trees. Check for pathing pressing P or selecting it in the menu bar's View tab.
  9. Bridges should be properly placed raising/lowering them with CTRL+PAGE UP/PAGE DOWN.
  10. Some parts of the map look unnatural, cluttered like a maze. Also, linearity.
  11. Could have made a minor blizzard to hurt the players when reaching the avalanche. Actually, never mind, afterwards there is plenty of pain.
  12. The goblin traps give Unholy Aura buffs on the player heroes.
  13. Visibility in the mines is eye damaging.
  14. Units selected during cinematic mode.
  15. You could add hero glow to heroes if you want: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
  16. Maybe less Warcraft III items.
  17. Are you supposed to see Gandalf the White and Theoden on the map if they are inactive? Merry and Pippin remain paused along with some orcs. The starting zone should be under fog of war too.
  18. Smeagol's description is that of the Ghoul, even the icon.
  19. Faramir says follow his men but he stays there with the men and suddenly appears somewhere else when you get farther.
  20. The problem with the game is that it renders some players temporarily inactive. Shouldn't someone play with Faramir?
  21. During the Faramir fight with the orcs, the enemy appears out of thin air and might suddenly surround you.
  22. What after max level?
  23. Melee heroes like Frodo can attack the flying Nazgul.
  24. Suddenly, the Witch King killed Faramir.
  25. Reaching Eomer, the whole map was discovered for a while instead of a cinematic scene or transmission. Same with Gandalf the White.
  26. There's a neutral Gandalf the White too where Merry and Pippin are.
  27. When Merry and Pippin come close to the neutral Gandalf the White, nothing happens. Same with Treebeard. Same with meeting Theoden.
  28. Some enemies will remain on the way to Helm's Deep instead of getting inside.
  29. Much of the fortress is floating in the air because of improperly being placed on the terrain.
  30. Transitions are brutal. You many times don't know when an event ends and another starts. Maybe because I played it solo?
  31. Theoden can get past the rocks invulnerable and meet the other Theoden shouting at the riders.
  32. Mumakill have a small selection circle.
  33. Reaching the Mouth of Sauron, the allied army is one on top of the other.
  34. The Water of Isengard should have the Locust ability so you would not be able to select it.

Good ideas which need polishing.

Approved.


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  • A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
  • A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
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How do i credit music if its from movie?
 
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Please credit everything in the map thread description, sounds, music etc. from where they were taken from.

  1. Frodo's Sting Stab has a passive looking icon. You can make it look active with this: Button Manager v1.8.2 Same with Merry's Eat Bacon and other spells.
  2. Spell icon positioning isn't like in the learn menu. Merry's Elven Knives goes right after Eat Bacon instead of on the spot after that. Frodo's Evasion is passive and has an active icon.
  3. Some abilities don't have a proper description in the learn menu (no values etc.). Sting Stab doesn't mention any values even after learning it. Learn about descriptions:
    Tooltip Tutorial
    Creating Good Descriptions
  4. Boromir's Wrath has the Berserker buff. You should edit it adequately.
  5. Mostly Warcraft III spells.
  6. Gandalf's Staff says you can click on it but nothing happens.
  7. Gandalf's Extra Heal has no description.
  8. Pathing blockers are required in many places as the heroes can get through doodads and trees. Check for pathing pressing P or selecting it in the menu bar's View tab.
  9. Bridges should be properly placed raising/lowering them with CTRL+PAGE UP/PAGE DOWN.
  10. Some parts of the map look unnatural, cluttered like a maze. Also, linearity.
  11. Could have made a minor blizzard to hurt the players when reaching the avalanche. Actually, never mind, afterwards there is plenty of pain.
  12. The goblin traps give Unholy Aura buffs on the player heroes.
  13. Visibility in the mines is eye damaging.
  14. Units selected during cinematic mode.
  15. You could add hero glow to heroes if you want: How to add Hero Glow without Modeling
  16. Maybe less Warcraft III items.
  17. Are you supposed to see Gandalf the White and Theoden on the map if they are inactive? Merry and Pippin remain paused along with some orcs. The starting zone should be under fog of war too.
  18. Smeagol's description is that of the Ghoul, even the icon.
  19. Faramir says follow his men but he stays there with the men and suddenly appears somewhere else when you get farther.
  20. The problem with the game is that it renders some players temporarily inactive. Shouldn't someone play with Faramir?
  21. During the Faramir fight with the orcs, the enemy appears out of thin air and might suddenly surround you.
  22. What after max level?
  23. Melee heroes like Frodo can attack the flying Nazgul.
  24. Suddenly, the Witch King killed Faramir.
  25. Reaching Eomer, the whole map was discovered for a while instead of a cinematic scene or transmission. Same with Gandalf the White.
  26. There's a neutral Gandalf the White too where Merry and Pippin are.
  27. When Merry and Pippin come close to the neutral Gandalf the White, nothing happens. Same with Treebeard. Same with meeting Theoden.
  28. Some enemies will remain on the way to Helm's Deep instead of getting inside.
  29. Much of the fortress is floating in the air because of improperly being placed on the terrain.
  30. Transitions are brutal. You many times don't know when an event ends and another starts. Maybe because I played it solo?
  31. Theoden can get past the rocks invulnerable and meet the other Theoden shouting at the riders.
  32. Mumakill have a small selection circle.
  33. Reaching the Mouth of Sauron, the allied army is one on top of the other.
  34. The Water of Isengard should have the Locust ability so you would not be able to select it.

Good ideas which need polishing.

Approved.


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MAPS IN GENERAL
The importance of a Description
Description Guide - Maps
Map Thread Guide
Map Description Making: Good & Bad
Map Description - Templates
Map Description Generator [1.2]

How to Add a Screenshot to your Map Description


ADDITIONAL NECESSARY INFORMATION
  • A credits list in the map thread description is required where the names of the resource (models, skins, icons, spells, sound etc.) authors are mentioned along with the specific resource. It would be a luxury to have links leading to the used resources. Credits in the Quest Log would be appreciated too.
  • A detailed changelog in the first post would be helpful to reviewers and notify fans about the newest implementations to your map.
  • Map thread tags are important. Please use those that fit and not more or none.

If you're not satisfied with the review and wish another opinion, contact the other reviewers or use the staff contact:
Paillan
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Daffa the Mage
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What do u excatly mean visiblity in Mines is Eye dagming ? Does Ur Eye hurt lol ? Or u mean u cant see much and that's it. I asked people they dont say that their eyes hurts
 
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Played this map earlier this evening with some friends. We kept losing right at the start. I think the only way to win is to have Sam keep feeding the horse for that 45 AOE mana boost ha-ha.
 
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Played this map earlier this evening with some friends. We kept losing right at the start. I think the only way to win is to have Sam keep feeding the horse for that 45 AOE mana boost ha-ha.
Why did you leave discord i think i remember you from my discord. I dont understant behaviour like this. I understant map is repetitive but people stay in community for a while then leave. Instead of supporting developer mentaly and giving ideas suggestions helping at beta test. So i can think that its worth to keep editing this. I met many people who were with me at start of editing this map and they say that they enjoy my currently version. Well it means they except better map. But perfect map isnt made insta it needs time too.




Anyway i returning to your question people wanted mana regen so i wanted some creative way than brillance aura. If bill dies u can still go futher but u have to wait for mana regen manualy. And sam doesnt really lose much or anything for keeping pony alive. First of he starts with 25 more gold and gets lembas reward if he keeps pony alive. Lembas is worth 60 gold so sam gets 60 gold lembas worth + starts with 25 gold more . Sam
 
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Why did you leave discord i think i remember you from my discord. I dont understant behaviour like this. I understant map is repetitive but people stay in community for a while then leave. Instead of supporting developer mentaly and giving ideas suggestions helping at beta test. So i can think that its worth to keep editing this. I met many people who were with me at start of editing this map and they say that they enjoy my currently version. Well it means they except better map. But perfect map isnt made insta it needs time too.
I am 100% sure I have not joined your discord before. I doubt leaving has anything to do with the map being repetitive. Since everyone has the power to make a discord channel, I suspect people join too many, and then have too much information feed, and as a result leave many of them when they realize they don't want so much information. Discord almost functions as a social media nowadays--- too much of it will drive people crazy.
 
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I am 100% sure I have not joined your discord before. I doubt leaving has anything to do with the map being repetitive. Since everyone has the power to make a discord channel, I suspect people join too many, and then have too much information feed, and as a result leave many of them when they realize they don't want so much information. Discord almost functions as a social media nowadays--- too much of it will drive people crazy.
Well i think it was someone with same avatar i memorize ur avatar and i saw u at mws discord
 
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I love this map:) great additions like Sauron as boss fight if Frodo and Sam are dead and possiblility to save Boromir making me want to play this map even more to see all options
 
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I love this map:) great additions like Sauron as boss fight if Frodo and Sam are dead and possiblility to save Boromir making me want to play this map even more to see all options
I was thinking of more story changed but i think it cant over use lore. I mean alternate event has to be a event that was likley to happen or could happen. What about possiblity to go via charadrass? Then gray gandalf is alive and barlog doesnt die. I heard from lore master that barlog had to die cuz he was dangerous
 
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Can we somehow get an big DIFFICULY REDUCTION????

It's way too hard. Games are not beatable. It's been the same with all these LOTR games. More Lives, or more acquireable Lives.

Believe me you dont want it easier, this game was too easy when i started editing this and no one wanted to play this they said its too boring and too easy, and no point to play if u won it alrdy.

Theres thick line beetwen too ez and too hard

This game isnt hard, its just based on map knowledge and thats bad. I wasnt much experienced so i made mistake

And this game is still very ez it just requires knowledge what to do i have had groups that won without any char dying

I will make story mode thats unloseable but it will have drawbacks xd i Wonder if it still will be fun for ppl if they will know they cant lose so they dont need to put any effort

If i make whole game easier then again i will hear ppl beggimg me to make it harder, just like it hapenned before

I remember making public beta test version, i gave every character 15 lifes to make sure we are able to test all bugs till end and still gimli managed to die at amon hen, he used all lifes so it also proves skill of ppl xd
 
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Very interesting map. Hope someone picks you to help making a LoTR game even though there are many of them.

yes there are many but most of are outdated. sadly no one wants and is able to help me. editing such map is responsiblity and u have to be determined, i should also trust person who i share map with. i have few close friends who i play this map with but no one of them wants or can edit. i had some people before who edited map but they surrendered after a while.








anyway i need someone to do simply model editing such as replacing skin if anyone is reading this and can help me let me know
 
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I have started the map in single player and here are some minor things I have noticed:
  • It is more like a series of Minigames than an RPG in my opinion. You have to solve the same small minigames whenever you play the map. I myself prefer plain fighting than solving minigames.
  • Isn't it called "Flame of Anor"?
  • You can't skip the small video sequences.
  • I would have loved to see Saruman when he stopped us the the mountain.
  • Too bad you have to start at Rivendell (due to the Fellowship). I would have loved to play events like the fight between Saruman and Gandalf or Aragorn vs Nazgul.
  • The traps and Tentacles which even spawned in Lorien were a bit annoying.
  • Do the heroes have custom soundsets? I could only hear Legolas but maybe my sound is broken.
  • Why is the map protected?
  • You could add a Let's Play video to the map description here on Hive, so people see the gameplay.
  • When I play the map alone, I play Frodo and Sam in the end. I guess this is done so I do not have to play the other storylines? If I chose Gandalf or Aragorn would I have played other storylines?
  • Why are Merry and Pippin still standing around when I play alone?
  • Why is Gandalf avoiding the Balrog forever when I play alone?
  • You could remove Merry, Pippin and Gandalf in single player?
  • Gandalf's light seems really small in Moria and tha traps are annoying as fuck.
  • For me some things seemed really hard, are you sure that new players can finish the map? What happens if a player dies? Is he dead forever?
  • I guess the hardest thing is to find 8 other people who want to play this map for a long time.
  • Why name some trolls on the loading screen? I would just remove their names. Do not feed the trolls.
  • Spelling mistake in the map description "charakter".
 
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I have started the map in single player and here are some minor things I have noticed:
  • It is more like a series of Minigames than an RPG in my opinion. You have to solve the same small minigames whenever you play the map. I myself prefer plain fighting than solving minigames.
  • Isn't it called "Flame of Anor"?
  • You can't skip the small video sequences.
  • I would have loved to see Saruman when he stopped us the the mountain.
  • Too bad you have to start at Rivendell (due to the Fellowship). I would have loved to play events like the fight between Saruman and Gandalf or Aragorn vs Nazgul.
  • The traps and Tentacles which even spawned in Lorien were a bit annoying.
  • Do the heroes have custom soundsets? I could only hear Legolas but maybe my sound is broken.
  • Why is the map protected?
  • You could add a Let's Play video to the map description here on Hive, so people see the gameplay.
  • When I play the map alone, I play Frodo and Sam in the end. I guess this is done so I do not have to play the other storylines? If I chose Gandalf or Aragorn would I have played other storylines?
  • Why are Merry and Pippin still standing around when I play alone?
  • Why is Gandalf avoiding the Balrog forever when I play alone?
  • You could remove Merry, Pippin and Gandalf in single player?
  • Gandalf's light seems really small in Moria and tha traps are annoying as fuck.
  • For me some things seemed really hard, are you sure that new players can finish the map? What happens if a player dies? Is he dead forever?
  • I guess the hardest thing is to find 8 other people who want to play this map for a long time.
  • Why name some trolls on the loading screen? I would just remove their names. Do not feed the trolls.
  • Spelling mistake in the map description "charakter".
Hello! I frequently play this map on battlenet and id like to add some counter arguments to your post. First though i would like to note that this is NOT A SINGLE PLAYER GAME. When creating this map that was never the intention of the developer. This is meant to be played with 9 total people.

-The majority of the game is RPG with a few minigames in the mix to add a change-of-pace from the auto attacking nature of the gamemode. I love the dodging of spells and traps, and because they are so dangerous it adds a real sense of peril.
-Yes, Gandalf's quote is the "Flame of Arnor" the dev isnt native english speaker, most of these errors get changed over time as they are spotted. If the error is still there, then the dev will probably change it based on these comments.
-You cannot skip video sequences because this is meant to play with 9 people. If one person can skip it would mean skipping for all, making some people miss out of the cutscenes forever, because veteran plaeyrs would always want to skip. The cutscenes often move the characters around the map during, would break the game.
-Sarumon is in the game, if you play through as anyone but sam and frodo you will fight him.
-traps and tentacles of the watcher are mechanics for the fights and areas. they can be annoying, but not as much if youre only playing one character...
-map protected so you cannot edit it and try to claim as your own
-frodo/sam are red/blue, like i said earlier this takes 9 players, and your location in the lobby determines who you are. the character names are at the top where the team name is "Fr/Sa/Mer/Bor" etc
-again, play teal or yellow and you run through as those characters
-gandalfs light is meant to help guide you through, there is also a torch that spawns in the tomb that gives light to another character. If youre not controlling all of them its easy to manage through the darkness.
-new players often fail this map, but as long as you ask your GROUP what to expect next and what skill choices to make, its not too difficult for someone who has played a moderate amount of wc3.
-The discord for this map has a game tracker and quite a few active players who will jump in lobby when prompted. I'm one of them :D
-Discord has a full banlist for people who purposefully ruin the map, this is very frequent for this style of map, because people know how important each character is early on. People are petty, what else can ya say about it? yknow? Having the list certainly has certainly helped me.
-again, not native english speaking dev

Most of the problems you have boil down to not having a full group, and the dev not speaking amazing english. I love the map, obviously.
 
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Okay, thanks for the clarification. Skipping could be done by "voting" but I understand that you don't want to allow it, so players won't miss anything. I thought that Saruman is in the game I was just talking about the sequence at the Caradhras where I would have love to see him casting spell. It's just a minor thing.

The tentacles are just weird when they appeared even in Lorien. I understand they are ment as traps but I was just wondering why the Watcher would spawn them inside of Moria. That makes no sense to me.

Map protection is a personal decision. I am not sure who the original author of this map was anyway.

I know that the map is ment to be played with a group of 9 players. Now I know I should have chosen other characters to see the other storylines. I will probably have to play it with a group to see how it really works etc. but I like maps which require not knowing what happens next and completing it anyway. Otherwise, you have know chance if you play with a group of new players. At least there are hints in the map to solve the minigames but I did only play it with cheats and it seems rather hard at some points. So maybe a complete noob mode would help for people who just want to have fun playing the map and not get frustrated.

I didn't see much of a free RPG part for the storyline for Sam and Frodo. Most of it were Minigames with a few fights but that's okay as long as it is clear from the start. Maybe I expected more of an Open RPG instead.

Another minor thing was the camera distance at Moria when running over the bridge, the characters were really close to the camera. I know you can change it and increase the distance but you have to do this manually before.

I am not talking the map down but pointing out stuff which is for someone who has no idea what the map is about and how it is played. This is ment as some input to improve the map. I really like the map's design etc.
 
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Okay, thanks for the clarification. Skipping could be done by "voting" but I understand that you don't want to allow it, so players won't miss anything. I thought that Saruman is in the game I was just talking about the sequence at the Caradhras where I would have love to see him casting spell. It's just a minor thing.

The tentacles are just weird when they appeared even in Lorien. I understand they are ment as traps but I was just wondering why the Watcher would spawn them inside of Moria. That makes no sense to me.

Map protection is a personal decision. I am not sure who the original author of this map was anyway.

I know that the map is ment to be played with a group of 9 players. Now I know I should have chosen other characters to see the other storylines. I will probably have to play it with a group to see how it really works etc. but I like maps which require not knowing what happens next and completing it anyway. Otherwise, you have know chance if you play with a group of new players. At least there are hints in the map to solve the minigames but I did only play it with cheats and it seems rather hard at some points. So maybe a complete noob mode would help for people who just want to have fun playing the map and not get frustrated.

I didn't see much of a free RPG part for the storyline for Sam and Frodo. Most of it were Minigames with a few fights but that's okay as long as it is clear from the start. Maybe I expected more of an Open RPG instead.

Another minor thing was the camera distance at Moria when running over the bridge, the characters were really close to the camera. I know you can change it and increase the distance but you have to do this manually before.

I am not talking the map down but pointing out stuff which is for someone who has no idea what the map is about and how it is played. This is ment as some input to improve the map. I really like the map's design etc.
I get where you're coming from, if you were expecting an open RPG then this isnt the game you were looking for i suppose. This game follows the storyline for the three movies/books and so far only has one optional sidequest. If ara lego and gim want to, on default difficulty or higher can do a sidequest to save boromirs life at amon hen, allowing him to survive to the black gate (or sauron) at the end. Something you mgiht not have noticed, if sam and frodo both die the final battle at the black gate gets changed to a fight against sauron himself. I suggest checking it out if you give the map another shot.
As for sarumon at cadadhras, technically he was like a hundred miles away when he cast that spell if you go off the movie. However, Emil plans to add an optional path for frodo to choose "we will go through the mines" or "we will take the path of caradhras" later. Maybe we will see him then.
And yeah, the camera is certainly best if you set it to -zoom 2500 for most of the map. It might seem unnecessary at first but when you get to helms deeps you will find that camera distance is absolutely something youre going to want to have control over.
 
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The tentacles are just weird when they appeared even in Lorien. I understand they are ment as traps but I was just wondering why the Watcher would spawn them inside of Moria. That makes no sense to me.

I know that the map is ment to be played with a group of 9 players. Now I know I should have chosen other characters to see the other storylines. I will probably have to play it with a group to see how it really works etc. but I like maps which require not knowing what happens next and completing it anyway. Otherwise, you have know chance if you play with a group of new players. At least there are hints in the map to solve the minigames but I did only play it with cheats and it seems rather hard at some points. So maybe a complete noob mode would help for people who just want to have fun playing the map and not get frustrated.
the tentacle spawn in moria was a bug at the time and has been fixed with the newest version. I personally never saw the bug happen even though i played this version a dozen times or more.

The map is indeed pretty unforgiving for new players, takes some prior knowledge to do VERY well, but its certainly possible to finish the game your first time. There was a new mode added fairly recently too, "very easy" mode, in this there are checkpoints that you will revive at if you are out of lives and die. Our discord has guides and tips up for new players too. We also do monthly challenges like "clear isengard without an ents dying on hard mode" and "save haldir at helms deep". There is a little more to the map than just what you get when you download it. If you enjoy it you should consider joining the discord, youll find the link in the map description.
 
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i think most of stuff were answered alreday. ok so its point of first timer i get ur opinion. hmm there are first timers who say that doodge games are stupid and the one who press alt+F4 before moria because they cannot stand how long and boring is killing x5 groups of enemies auto attacking and healing. i think the game needs also diversity its limited by the story line an one cannot simply all the time heal himself and kill 1 orc and so on it is too easy and obring.


if there are any better idea for frodo game after amon hen so be it. old version of frodo game was just straight pacht picking up tome and killing 1 by 1 orcs. hostnley movie doesnt show much they were lost in the mountains, fighting gollum, hidding from nazgul, hobbits werent real warriors,

imagine not protecting popular map xd if i didnt do it i wouldnt be updating it anymore because a lot of ppl would have stolen my map


this game isnt really hard, people do really a lot of stupid mistakes, the blame is not fully on the map i was playing and observating a lot of.
mistakes done by ppl:
-not lvling heal
-not using heal
-letting theirselfes be targeted by 20 enemies even tho they can move back
-using lembasbread instead heal skill but lembas bread is saved for emergency
-not reading any tips
-picking the hardest difficulty even tho they are new
-not moving behind wth low hp, instead they wait to die


also the bug with arms spawning at lothorien happens only if you instantly kill the head using whosyourdaddy code, you should wait at least 30 seconds otherwise the trigger that spawns arms wont be turned off and theywill be spawning for all game, i doubt cut scenes need any skipping because they are REALLY dynamic, the longest cut scene is 2 min? most of them last about minute or even less. i saw LOTR map with worse cut scenes that were remake of movie and lasted 5 min xd.
 
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