Terrania v1.17

[Dr Super Good]

Well, with 1 million exp I get like +20 stats and a lot of MS. The MS alone increases your effectivness.

Dragon sword can repaired at any level. Just you need the right items and to useforge ability near a smith. I think an orb of fire was one of them, forget the other(s).

Goldore is mined.... Ofcourse you need to have a bota to upgrade the mines so it can be mined and that needs a moderate ammount of exp (250 should be enough).

I think you can chance the hotkeys via a cutom hotkeys file. Hotkeys are the least of the makers concern, when they have a lot of GUI to optimize and attitudes to reconsider.

 

[Sieghart93]

Wow thx ! i just got 200 EXP... finally see the rank skill .. so.. the rank skill is gain on lv 20?

 

[Sieghart93]

what is required to make the shield btw??
and the strange part tool?
after gaining all 3 at the side quest.. then?

 

[Dr Super Good]

No idea what you mean by "the shield".
The strange tool parts are a simple collect all 3 (one from the treant, one from the ruins and one from the building to the left of the base) and then combine them all via fusing.
Use on the final boss to get extra points and automatically win (unless that has changed).

 

[Sieghart93]

The shield i mean is the Guardian Shield which is also damaged?

Btw.. for having the botanist 1st rank skill uprade mine isnt a bit....
what is the exp rank required for mass potion production....

erhh how to fuse them??

 

[RedZack]

Damaged Guardian shield + PowerPot + Gold ore + Enchant = repaired.
take 2 or all tool parts and then use Enchant.

Damaged Dragonsword + Fireorb + Enchant = repaired

Sword of Nature= Pure Wood + Green Crystal + Sowrd of Honor

Every lvl up = 1 xp.

1. rank skill with 200 xp
2. rank skill with 1500 xp
3. and last rank skill with 2500 xp

Botanist: 1. Mine update, 2. Kinetic Flash (Creats pots, directly from seeds), 3. improved Mine update.

Blacksmith: 1. Crystal Sword, 2. Crystal Armor, 3. Crystal Helmet

Builder: 1. repair lvl 2, 2. repair lvl 3, 3. Amplifier (build at Crystal Clarity) +1 CP.

 

[Sieghart93]

Damaged Guardian shield + PowerPot + Gold ore + Enchant = repaired.
take 2 or all tool parts and then use Enchant.

Damaged Dragonsword + Fireorb + Enchant = repaired

Sword of Nature= Pure Wood + Green Crystal + Sowrd of Honor

Every lvl up = 1 xp.

1. rank skill with 200 xp
2. rank skill with 1500 xp
3. and last rank skill with 2500 xp

Botanist: 1. Mine update, 2. Kinetic Flash (Creats pots, directly from seeds), 3. improved Mine update.

Blacksmith: 1. Crystal Sword, 2. Crystal Armor, 3. Crystal Helmet

Builder: 1. repair lvl 2, 2. repair lvl 3, 3. Amplifier (build at Crystal Clarity) +1 CP.

Wao ~ thx.. this should help a lot..

 

[hellknights]

add -kick or vote kick system pls
cause there are some game spoilers that refuse to take advice and play whatever they like.

 

[Sieghart93]

Please do raise the maximum level ? If i am not wrong.. the max lvl is 30 right?

 

[Dr Super Good]

hellknights, just get the host to terminate their connection with them. Aka the custom kick or dissconect kick. All bot hosts have this feature, all you need to do is get the right permissions. Anyway, the map makers are too fond of kicking people with certain account names to even care about such a feature. Afterall they have systems in place to auto kick my main account DrSuperGood yet fail massivly to realise that I (like everyone else who has limited time so generates a code) have multiple different account names.

Generally they would be better off redoing the triggers in JASS and fixing blatant gameplay mechanical faults like the loss of all levels when you die (why not just make it so once you die passed the second or so round you can never respawn, as currently you are level 1 which is as good as dead unless you have imba rigged gear which carries you) and the fact that most things are usless against the second to final round. On top of that the overall grinding is reaching the pointless level, and as it is required to actually reach the final boss easilly (I seriously doubt people are making it with a full house of 0 EXP codes), it is frankly not worth playing unless you take a shortcut like I did and power boost your code.

 

[RedZack]

Generally they would be better off redoing the triggers in JASS and fixing blatant gameplay mechanical faults like the loss of all levels when you die (why not just make it so once you die passed the second or so round you can never respawn, as currently you are level 1 which is as good as dead unless you have imba rigged gear which carries you) and the fact that most things are usless against the second to final round. .

It was to easy, if you didn´t lose your lvl.
In fact its pretty good, so you can quickly gain more experiance, cause ever level up is + 1xp!

Its right that the second last wave is almost impossible WITHOUT good items, but thats purpose. You should have a reason to replay the map, and this wave is the reason.
And for what the fuck would you need a higher rank, with improved skills, if you could beat the map with 6 players without any higher ranks??

The most save and load maps are based on a system that needs improved lvl or skills to beat the map.

Btw. a change in the balance system would destroy the fun of the map, and many pro gamers who really enjoy the game, would give up playing it.

For my taste, the map could be more difficult.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Most maps have a difficulty system. With easy being winable without any codes and harder difficulties neededing mostly high codes to unlock.

For example swat aftermath. Yes it is possible to win insane and pinsane at rank 1 with skill, but for nightmare mode (where the actual difficulty starts), you need everyone to be atleast rank 11. Likewise for those people who found nightmare too easy (it is if your team is good) redscull added an extinction difficulty level requiring everyone to have maximum rank codes. The extinction difficulty was made to be nearly impossible with few if not no recent recorded winnings. The players of the map have been happy for years and even last month the community was highly active.

So what I am saying is eithor allow full house games of 0 exp players to win the map (not saying it should be easy, just doable) or add multiple difficulty levels so for full house games of maximum rank players, the game is actually rather tough.

For example an "easy" or "normal" difficulty could see the second to final wave be made only semi resistant to magic (75%-50% reduction). A hard or harder difficulty would see the wave be fully spell immune. Such changes could apply to every wave where the harder versions are strong, faster or have special abilities like evasion. To encourage harder difficulty play, more experience is awarded at higher difficulties as if someone is playing at a "pro" level, why should he have to grind as much as someone who is playing at a "noob" level.

and finally.

For my taste, the map could be more difficult.

With a difficulty level system, you could actually have even harder difficulties than currently avaiable, for people just like you. In these difficulties there cold be more enemies, or even unique enemies only to that difficulty just there to provide people like you with the challenge you seek. Infact there would be no limits to how hard an difficulty you could create, as apposed to currently where if you make it too difficult you run the risk of disscouraging new players.

 

[PhantomX006]

errmm,add sumthing to skip the cinema. tats wat i recommend,repeat the game wif same cinema,kinda boring n waste of time. Hope u update sumthing to skip the cinema.

 

[RedZack]

Most maps have a difficulty system. With easy being winable without any codes and harder difficulties neededing mostly high codes to unlock.

For example swat aftermath. Yes it is possible to win insane and pinsane at rank 1 with skill, but for nightmare mode (where the actual difficulty starts), you need everyone to be atleast rank 11. Likewise for those people who found nightmare too easy (it is if your team is good) redscull added an extinction difficulty level requiring everyone to have maximum rank codes. The extinction difficulty was made to be nearly impossible with few if not no recent recorded winnings. The players of the map have been happy for years and even last month the community was highly active.

So what I am saying is eithor allow full house games of 0 exp players to win the map (not saying it should be easy, just doable) or add multiple difficulty levels so for full house games of maximum rank players, the game is actually rather tough.

For example an "easy" or "normal" difficulty could see the second to final wave be made only semi resistant to magic (75%-50% reduction). A hard or harder difficulty would see the wave be fully spell immune. Such changes could apply to every wave where the harder versions are strong, faster or have special abilities like evasion. To encourage harder difficulty play, more experience is awarded at higher difficulties as if someone is playing at a "pro" level, why should he have to grind as much as someone who is playing at a "noob" level.

and finally.

With a difficulty level system, you could actually have even harder difficulties than currently avaiable, for people just like you. In these difficulties there cold be more enemies, or even unique enemies only to that difficulty just there to provide people like you with the challenge you seek. Infact there would be no limits to how hard an difficulty you could create, as apposed to currently where if you make it too difficult you run the risk of disscouraging new players.

Yes, but to begin with, Lahey is almost done with the map, and I doubt he gonna implant a difficult mode ever. Cause its to much work for to less gain + he has no time to do it.

If we had 2006, now. These suggestions were great, but we have 2010, SC2 is "almost" released. The leftovers of the WC3 community are specialist for a small amount of maps.
Its a waste of time, but good suggestion through.

 

[PhantomX006]

Is the maximum level of all skills level 2 or izzit unlimited even if we max our level to 30,it continue to increase non-stop?

 

[RedZack]

Is the maximum level of all skills level 2 or izzit unlimited even if we max our level to 30,it continue to increase non-stop?

If the skill lvl only increase at a certain hero lvl, how could it increase after your hero doesnt lvl up anymore ?!

 

[Sieghart93]

am agreed about the cinema .... can the level caps be raise?
the bounty hunter wave is last second or last? ( or still have more? )
i wonder.. since botanist is boring making power potion only.. how about making regeneration ward? aura ward?

 

[Dr Super Good]

Power potions are easy, just use the mass produce potions ability every so often on a patch of mana and life plants and you will have more than enough.

I mostly spend the time making ward plants which are usless on the immune wave.

 

[Genius987]

Is somewhere quest helps?
Like where can get items and what to do with them?

 

[Sieghart93]

what i mean was that.. the botanist have too less skill to spend time on?
( although doing the potion was already enough but if builder and blacksmith are slower then botanist pace.. pots will still overflow and u still spam it like idiot!? lolzzz )

 

[Dr Super Good]

As botanist I produce like 100s of pp every few minutes late game. Remember the mass fusion skill you have axcess to really saves time.

 

[wenzoui]

Hey im ghost_of_you
i would just like to say that i love this game and have been playing it alot.
me and illyasviel05 plus some other people managed to do a 5 person game and win quite very easily, i think that you should put a how to play type thing up at the start or in the quest menu, in depth for each class/character because i just joined a game on us east (terrania bot) where me and one other person had actually played before, i was builder and i gave the blacksmith a step by step guide on how to create ore and build a forge.5 minutes later he still hadnt done anything.
its a good map, and i cant wait to see more games and improvements being done to it
i attached the replay to the 5man game.

The attachment you gave me didn't work.
By didn't work i mean when it goes inside,it doesn't play(Sticks in 1 screen)

 

[Lodrak]

I found the tool part at treant and left behind base but when I try to search for it at fountain ruins I can only find one book and 2 empthy vial there which I cant refill with the water in the river any tips how I can find the last tool part?

edit nvm I found it

anyway what am I supposed to do with the second empthy vial?

 

[RedZack]

anyway what am I supposed to do with the second empthy vial?

Nothing, is jsut a backup.

 

[fishystar]

how to get to rank 10?

 

[Icedrake]

This is a fantastic map, but will it continue to be updated in the future with new features/classes/quests etc? Or is this map finished?

 

[viper1440]

Hey, i just registered here in order to comment on my idea of what could make this game one of the most popular in all of warcraft: turn it into a PvP. If you could somehow revamp the game with 2 teams of 6 each that have to fight each other rather than fight off creeps, im sure the popularity would skyrocket. It would be a little complicated to do, but a map maker such as yourself should be able to do it fairly easily, considering the greatness of the current version of terrania.
PS: I absolutely love the game, great work on all of the aspects!

 

[light bolt30]

Hey, i just registered here in order to comment on my idea of what could make this game one of the most popular in all of warcraft: turn it into a PvP. If you could somehow revamp the game with 2 teams of 6 each that have to fight each other rather than fight off creeps, im sure the popularity would skyrocket. It would be a little complicated to do, but a map maker such as yourself should be able to do it fairly easily, considering the greatness of the current version of terrania.
PS: I absolutely love the game, great work on all of the aspects!

This would fully take away the concept of Terrania. This would just make the map more different and will might as well be created as a totally new map rather than revamping Terrania as it is.

 

[bluestallion]

will this map continue?

 

[Dr Super Good]

Probaly not, they were so busy doing stupid things like blocking the account name "DrSuperGood" that they were not tackling the actual map flaws. Kind of sad really that they did not fix the major map flaws like kiting bosses.

 

[Jacklifear]

Interesting that someone like you would reply to this and complain about how it wouldn't go on.

Banning your name took no time in the code and didn't hold back any development. I think it was 10 minutes of time ^_^

But you were one of the main contributors to the reason the map is delayed or not moving forward. Let's face it, people who find hacked versions of the map and openly state it drain the will of those who put hours upon hours of work to try and make it fair for the people who work hard to do it.

I'm not lahey, nor can I talk on his behalf, but if the map doesn't get a future update, you can thank people like DrSuperGood to contributing to the reason. Remember people "Cheating doesn't hurt the game" *winks sarcastically*

And before you act like I'm some random person, I used to be his public speaker, you'll see that earlier in the thread.

 

[Dr Super Good]

As opposed to me making a new acount and regenning which was 2 minutes. Net profit -8 minutes.

In that 10 minutes, you could have fixed up leaks, optimized something or even pollished some tooltip to look better.

Trying to shove the fault of this project's demise onto me is a pretty low thing to do.
Why do you not continue the project? If I trusted someone enough to speak for me I would certainly trust him enough with a non damaged version of the map.

I do have to admit that this map did keep me entertained a while and I played more after having got access to all late game gear than before. Overall the author should not feel too bad, as there are a lot of maps I can not say the same about.

 

[Jacklifear]

As opposed to me making a new acount and regenning which was 2 minutes. Net profit -8 minutes.

In that 10 minutes, you could have fixed up leaks, optimized something or even pollished some tooltip to look better.

Trying to shove the fault of this project's demise onto me is a pretty low thing to do.
Why do you not continue the project? If I trusted someone enough to speak for me I would certainly trust him enough with a non damaged version of the map.

I do have to admit that this map did keep me entertained a while and I played more after having got access to all late game gear than before. Overall the author should not feel too bad, as there are a lot of maps I can not say the same about.

Well, I personally don't work on the project as I have moved on, but Lahey, the person who is the creator, has his own reasons.

I know one of the reasons of frustration is to put work into a project to have people bypass hard work and just "cheat" to get to the end. This is demotivating when the intent is not that case. The -8 minutes "wasted" was actually quite motivating for us to move on at the time. It was like we were fixing a problem. So "losing 8 minutes" could have been the cause of "feeling good enough to work for hours". You're speaking from a clueless level of assumptions on how our development at the time was doing. You should feel happy that I'm directly telling you feedback instead of just saying "U CHEET! LOLZOR, STFU!"

But alas, what's happened is done. Don't take it too personal. The individual cheaters were not the source of the demotivation, but the action that people were cheating themselves. In this case it makes more sense to blame the action, not the person.

If the developers of a map put in hundreds of hours into a game, hoping to see players do a likewise experience to gain the fun as they go along.. it can be quite demotivational when you find people who choose to bypass. This demotivation will lead to lack of updates, which will in turn cause those people who contributed to the cheating to complain about lack of updates. No matter how the cycle rolls, the origin is identifiable.

I'd liken it to a population of people pirating a game and wondering why the game's developers can't afford to make a sequel due to lack of funds. Whether it's "low" or not to blame the pirates in this case, the truth of the matter is that they contributed selfishly to the cause of the problem... lack of funds.

In the case of a project that got no donations and was funded purely on personal motivation. People who cheat took the motivation away from those who developed it. No matter how "low" it's percieved, the result is the same. People who cheated contributed to the lack of updates. As said above, it's nothing personal, it's just an explanation. If A happens, B will result.

But who knows... maybe you'll get some bug fixes or something in the future. It's up to Lahey afterall Maybe it will make you think twice about cheating when you realize that updates are not "OWED" to you... there are real people putting their blood and soul into the game.

FYI, I will not be responding about this subject further, so a response will be unnecessary on this matter. Keep enjoying the game as it is.. I still hold firm that it's one of the best WC3 will ever see. It's what motivated me to come to Lahey and ask if I could assist him in the first place.

 

[Dr Super Good]

Right... So apparently using the game within its designed limits is considered cheating now. I will repeat what I said once before, I played more after genning than before genning a code cause the game was a lot more fun being able to build everything.

You can not compare a code generator to game piracy. One way someone has stolen content which effort was put in and the other was someone saving time to obtain a certain level of play. Although game developers do usually discorage both, you must remember that WC3 is not only for your map, there are lots of other things people could do than sink and waste their time on your map so you can not expect people to play it for 100s of hours to get good stuff.

 

[bluestallion]

so now, this map is continuing?

 

[frostloh]

YAY an update, thx Lahey i thought it was a dead map =D
i wanted to say, the crafting classes are very fun to play, but the combat classes ( cleric, fighter, defender) are quite bland, so i would like it if their gameplay was spiced up with cooler skills. Also the terrain needs some improving

 

[RadiaNSh0t]

Awesome

I really like terrania, but im seeing many hacked maps of it lately. Could you set an anti-hack thing? Oh, and some suggestions:

1: More combat heroes: When i was new, some ppl bluff me like, "Got archer, mage, paladin also!!"
2: More quest and maybe side-quest : For more storyline, and items and such
3: Exp disabling skill: Players can activate it to not get any exp, while others get it instead, so to help those lacking in it
4: An advanced builder: For better buildings, items and plants, like botanist, builder and blacksmith all in 1
5: More ranks: I already at founder rank for long time liaoz, also got alot more ppl at it. Like maybe more rank skills / stats / mspeed / aspeed / armour / damage / spells / attachments (look nice )
6: Change the save/load system: Some people cracked it already, make a new system eg: -oldload than when saving it becomes new load. Dun use gold for exp, ppl put in cheats, than: "-gold 3000" and than "YAY IM RANK 15!!"
7: Some excitment for fighters: As the first guy said, it really is boring and many new people ragequit after a while.
8: DISABLE ALL VIS!: Players when hosting, put "All Visible", which makes it far easier and the dark element of the game is gone.
9: Host new commands to kick / pause bad players: My game was spoiled by bad players before, a cleric destroyed mazure's note before we could use it, a fighter destroyed the 2 vials and another fighter destroyed tool parts. Some fighters and clerics also take power pots / flowers and run off with them, or maybe the damaged sword and refuse to give it back.

Do fix a couple of problems and gameplay can be improved. Thanks!

 

[Dr Super Good]

I really like terrania, but im seeing many hacked maps of it lately. Could you set an anti-hack thing?

Sorry but that is not possible, why else has no map in WC3 ever managed to stop hackers. The easiest combat is to make it so that hackers do not really get any crutial advantage over normal players (which was not the case last time I played this).

6: Change the save/load system: Some people cracked it already, make a new system eg: -oldload than when saving it becomes new load. Dun use gold for exp, ppl put in cheats, than: "-gold 3000" and than "YAY IM RANK 15!!"

You do not understand how save systems work do you? That idea will not do anything as I could take my code and simply -loadold it (on an account which the makers did not decide to randomly kick from games ofcourse). A far better solution would be to make rank less valuable so that players do not have to unlock maximum rank (or atleast high rank) to win. At the start, the only really viable thing newbies can do are fighters as all the good building stuff needs high ranks.

9: Host new commands to kick / pause bad players: My game was spoiled by bad players before, a cleric destroyed mazure's note before we could use it, a fighter destroyed the 2 vials and another fighter destroyed tool parts. Some fighters and clerics also take power pots / flowers and run off with them, or maybe the damaged sword and refuse to give it back.

I think this is a bug more than a problem with bad players... Why can you even destroy these items? As they are quest items and largly required to win the game, they should not be destructable as there is no valid situation where destroying them is of any benifit at all. Infact, their destruction renders parts of the game imcompletable thus in my opinion it is a bug as I can not imagine the author planning it so that they can be destroyed.

I thought player 1 could already kick people and force them to drop all items... What more do you need?

 

[Gamefreak-]

I think the save/load code system should stay the same, but with lesser bonuses, like Dr Super Good was saying, instead of all these items and buildings that require a code to make. Why not just have small bonuses, similar to what rc601 has, health, mana, and move/attack speed bonuses. That way hackers and high ranks wouldn't have such a big advantage over noob players.

 

[diahorror]

perhaps there should b a new class, where he/she can tame the creeps.

 

[d34thst4lker]

lol the cure for individuality is only usable on the very last boss of the game which will put him under the control of the user

 

[Dr Super Good]

And is required to win the game properly.

 

[SasuhKun]

Sincerely, I agree with Dr. here. Although he did generate a code, and that's wrong, he wouldn't have a choice since the rank in here is too important, and it takes centuries to get to it. And as he said, being rank 0 you cannot win the game. Think like Undead Assault II:

There are a lot of difficulties, and usually with a good team you can win each of them with everyone at rank 0. That's because: initial heroes are both useful and fun to use already, and even though you choose difficulty, it scales with the overall rank of the room. Although it is better and funnier to have better ranks, which to some point are quite fast to get it, and give you some good advantages: more damage overall, and more classes. If you do put yourself to it, you get all the classes, a lot of damage, but the games turns a lot more challenging now because of your rank, although you have a lot more in your arsenal right now.

Your map does the opposite.

In the beginning you can do half the things you can do with a better rank. Although it is somewhat good to the learning curve, since there are less buildings/recipes/skills, it still is too hard to win unless you abuse the game via bugs (which there are plenty of it.) After obtaining the impossible and reaching a higher rank, the game loses its challenging effect, and becomes repetitive.

So instead of complaining about hackers and banning Dr's account, why don't you do a decent rank system and them begin on bugs and making the game more innovative? Else, it will be a waste of time, and the map will die, if it has not already.

 

[Denarok]

I can say 4/5 i love when i play with crafters.

 

[Loyal2NES]

I can't say I approve too much of this game. The concept is great, and it's reasonably fun and challenging if you know what you're doing.

But however fun, that last part, the "know what you're doing," is a big problem I cannot abide. I cannot think of a single game in the entirety of BNet that is as unhelpful and outright hostile to newbies as Terrania is, short of some of those self-contained, "Build your own RPG" maps.

This game does not have a learning curve. Like Dwarf Fortress, it is a sheer cliff, and new players will flounder helplessly as they run around and die. Terrania has no documentation to speak of (not that such a thing should be necessary for a WC3 map, but it'd be better than nothing), nor a tutorial, nor even a brief grace period for players to experiment with their classes or receive tips from veterans before the first wave begins. All they get is their tooltips and a lot of frustrated lamentations from the other players. Especially in this era of WC3, such an issue simply cannot be allowed to exist.

The ranking system is also pretty absurd. It's one thing to lock entire classes from players of lower rank, because it tells these players that the class in question is designed for veterans. It's quite another to give all classes to all players, but lock away pieces of the class because the game has arbitrarily decided they're not good enough to use it yet. That these locked abilities are necessary to play the class to its fullest ability is nothing short of a cardinal sin.

On a minor note, the idea of a kick-on-detection blacklist written into the map code strikes me as petty, ineffective, and a waste of code.

 

[knight_godryu]

uhm...excuse me and pls reply to what i'm gonna say

is it just me or the save system won't work?

 

[Dr Super Good]

It might not if your account name contains unusual characters.
Also make sure you enter it correctly (use screenshot and mind upper case i and lowercase L as they look the same and o,O and 0 as they are simlar).

 

[knight_godryu]

oh nevermind i should have read earlier when it said i need to defeat the 3rd boss first ^^ sorry ^^'

 

[CeDiL]

Played it today in full-house, must confess pretty awesome! Make it harder and make the blacksmith, builder and botanist only one per game, also do smth to make their role more cosiderable, like new recipes or sort of.
The skillset also sucks, i am sooo damn tired of standart skills, make some tricky nicelooking vJass spells and the game will get much more popular!

Also change the ugly forge to a normal standart blacksmith, it will look much more awesome!

 

[SasuhKun]

I wonder how better it is now.