SvD v2.1

[Hashjie]

@WaterKnight
Are you keen on me revealing my bathing trunks? Because here they are! Ha!

Your trunks are stylish

 

[Mech_Warrior]

Hey, just thought I'd let you know two things that I noticed.

1) Your bot on Battle.net, SVDHost, is constantly trying to join "server.eurobattle.net" and then timing out. As an owner of a bot, I don't think this is the correct name for the server, and that's why it continually times out.
2) I think we isolated the desync bug. It seems to be on round 2+, when the host chooses to let players select a Satyr among themselves, and nobody chooses to be the Satyr. It seems to cause everyone to desync from each other, and the game therefore ends. Apologies if you already fixed this, you've been updating a lot recently.

Cheers,
Mech

Edit: Scratch number 2. I just played 2.0 and it desync'd on the second round even though someone decided to be the Satyr. I was the host and allowed people to vote for Satyr, and it desync'd us all.

Edit #2: Found a new glitch. If the Satyr leaves in the middle of the round, and a Draenei chooses to take over as the new Satyr, it will still think there's an additional Draenei. ie: We were playing with 3 Draenei, one of them took over the Satyr and killed a Draenei, and it said there were 2 remaining. When he killed me, it said one remaining, and we had to call it a draw.

 

[Sheep]

1) Your bot on Battle.net, SVDHost, is constantly trying to join "server.eurobattle.net" and then timing out. As an owner of a bot, I don't think this is the correct name for the server, and that's why it continually times out.

eurobattle.net is a pvpgn server, and it recently changed ip, but my bot doesn't realise it. I guess I'll have to restart the script eventually.

 

[sammath]

Interesting map, I'd enjoyed.
How you made the terrain looks like been floating? and put spiky rocks a low level of the ground.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

What the hell is this? I played as draenei and had to wait for years to get a wall.

Edit: nvm this, I didn't know you can attack trees for gold.

 

[Razosh]

What the hell is this? I played as draenei and had to wait for years to get a wall.

Years is over exagerating it a lot, but yes it does take some time and that's due to the fact that if everyone could build safe from the start then it would be impossible for the satyr to not lose controll over 10 draeneis at once.

 

[Deleted member 219079]

But it's boring, I deleted it from my PC already for taking space from my 2 tb hdd.

Edit: nvm this, I didn't know you can attack trees for gold.

 

[InfernalTater]

Using the item with Chain Lightning gave everyone a fatal error. I haven't tested it multiple times to confirm that's the exact cause, but just letting you know to look into it.

 

[Razosh]

Alright Sverker now I've played a lot of SvD in the past two months, which to me means a few hundred games and I'm ready to give you a piece of my mind. I've heard you're working on an AI and I feel compelled to ask, why?

You're spending all this time making things that is in my opinion could be spent more wisely. I understand that SvD is never going to be the competetive gameplay that I love in Island Defense and I'm not here to judge that. It just seems to me that you make all your things look pretty and not actually things that are enjoyable in Multi Player. For instance you've made this really neat talent tree and sure it offers veriaty but to a very limited level since you only have one draenei and one satyr and I would actually rather see you create more builders and hunters rather then work on an AI. If we look at Island Defense (sorry that's all I compare it too but I probably have played over 10 000 games of it (I've played it since I was 13 years old.)) and what I really love most of all is the veriaty of characters. Due to this veriaty no game is the other alike when you can play as 15 different titans and 20 different builders so every games leaves you feelng "I will never have a game as this ever again and this was an experience worth having.". With SvD I don't get feeling, after every game (I play Satyr 80% of the time) I leave feeling "This was pretty fun but I feel like I've experienced this before" and as you can imagine that feeling can be improved.

I love your map and I love the genre but not enough to give it more than a 7/10 (which will be a 4/5 on the hive scale) since it's a great game. But the fun dosen't last for much past 100 games so untill you add more veriaty to the game I'll keep on playing Island Defense. Sorry.

I hope you read this.

(Sorry Orcnet but you're being way to generous when you deem this a 5/5 in my opinion.)

 

[InfernalTater]

Alright Sverker now I've played a lot of SvD in the past two months, which to me means a few hundred games and I'm ready to give you a piece of my mind. I've heard you're working on an AI and I feel compelled to ask, why?

You're spending all this time making things that is in my opinion absolute sh!t. I understand that SvD is never going to be the competetive gameplay that I love in Island Defense and I'm not here to judge that. It just seems to me that you make all your things look pretty and not actually things that are enjoyable. For instance you've made this really neat talent tree and sure it offers veriaty but to a very limited level and I would actually rather see you create more builders and hunters rather then work on a damn AI. If we look at Island Defense (sorry that's all I compare it too but I probably have played over 10 000 games of it (I've played it since I was 13 years old.)) and what I really love most of all is the veriaty of characters. Due to this veriaty no game is the other alike when you can play as 15 different titans and 20 different builders so every games leaves you feelng "I will never have a game as this ever again and this was an experience worth having.". With SvD I don't get feeling, after every game (I play Satyr 80% of the time) I leave feeling "I've experienced this same sh!t 3 games in a fudging row!" and as you can imagine that does not leave you feeling great. It feels like you're focusing to much on making many shiny buttons but not many usefull buttons, to compare it's like Island Defense is a PC and SvD is a Mac.

I love your map and I love the genre but not enough to give it more than a 7/10 (which will be a 4/5 on the hive scale) since it's a great game. But the fun dosen't last for 100 games so untill you add more veriaty to the game I'll keep on playing Island Defense. Sorry.

I hope you read this.

(Sorry Orcnet but you're being way to generous, play some Island Defense before you deem this a 5/5.)

We get it, you like Island Defense. People have different preferences, and stop calling this shit just because it doesn't have some of the things Island Defense has, and stop ignoring any quality this map has just because the feature isn't in Island Defense, and suddenly to you doesn't matter.

This isn't Island Defense, this is Satyr vs Draenei, and the whole point of this map is to put a different spin on the genre and provide a unique gameplay experience. Implementing all of the things you like would just turn it into an unimaginative copy of another map.

If you hate it so much, just play something else, but stop talking so much trash about it when the truth is that it isn't a bad map, you simply have different preferences. It is very self-centered of you to hate maps and expect them all to be changed to be exactly what you prefer instead of what would actually make them better. You need to learn to look beyond your personal taste and instead see the resource itself. For example, I hate DoTA, but I'm not going to lie; I would rate it a 5/5, because it is a spectacular map, it's just not the sort of thing that I enjoy.

 

[Razosh]

We get it, you like Island Defense. People have different preferences, and stop calling this shit just because it doesn't have some of the things Island Defense has, and stop ignoring any quality this map has just because the feature isn't in Island Defense, and suddenly to you doesn't matter.

Trust me I'm not calling it sh!t, far from it, this is probably one of the best maps in game. (The fact that I'm promoting it and have played over 100 games of it should assure you of that.) And yes I talk a lot about Island Defense since it's the best game out there that is the best of the same type of map.

And no I'm not ignoring anything sure I would give it + points in my book if it had an AI and I'm giving it + points for the talent tree and don't missunderstand me I think the talent tree is fing great. But when I'm given the chooise of picking between the best tasting cookie in the world and a really good tasting cake I'm going to pick the cake. I'm not saying any of the features Sverker has added are bad the polar opposite I'm just saying he could spend his time better if he improved the multiplayer rather than the single player. If you think that this is a SP game then fine I woun't argue with your opinion because no opinion is wrong, I just have a different one.

Although I agree that I should not have said sh!t it was taking it a bit too far, it's understandable if it made the post seem more hostile than was intended and I'm sorry if that's the impression I gave you.

This isn't Island Defense, this is Satyr vs Draenei, and the whole point of this map is to put a different spin on the genre and provide a unique gameplay experience. Implementing all of the things you like would just turn it into an unimaginative copy of another map.

I said add more veriaty not copy paste Island Defense and call it something similar like Iceland Defense.

If you hate it so much, just play something else, but stop talking so much trash about it when the truth is that it isn't a bad map

I say I've played over 100 games and that alone should be a clue that I think otherwise. What's even more is that I give the game a rating of 4/5 and you're the one who says that 4/5 isn't a bad rating in your signature. Please if you can somewhere find that I've written that I didn't think this game was worth playing than do inform me would you be so kind.

You need to learn to look beyond your personal taste and instead see the resource itself.

I understand that SvD is never going to be the competetive gameplay that I love in Island Defense and I'm not here to judge that.

Did you even read my message?

I would rate it a 5/5, because it is a spectacular map, it's just not the sort of thing that I enjoy.

So I'm wrong to compare games to other games or is it just that you think it's a universal truth that veriaty is bad?

 

[WaterKnight]

How does SvD make sense as non-competitive singleplayer? Island Defense is a good map, wut? But if this is the measure of Razosh and there seems to be something worse that could be otherwise, of course it would be taken as a comparison.

For example, I hate DoTA, but I'm not going to lie; I would rate it a 5/5

Because? The question is why do you hate it. If you are not into the genre at all, it's kinda futile to vote. If you are, you would not hate it per se and therefore be more differed.

 

[sonofjay]

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If you wanted to counter argument, you should have posted facts instead of trash talking Razosh. Its his opinion that actually make some sense and have the potential to help Sverker on the long run.

Stop dickriding.

 

[Razosh]

If you wanted to counter argument, you should have posted facts instead of trash talking Razosh. Its his opinion that actually make some sense and have the potential to help Sverker on the long run.

Stop dickriding.

Thanks for the backup but you sholdn't be too cruel to him after all my original message was a bit to blunt which is why I edited it.

 

[sonofjay]

Hmmm, I haven't read the quoted message since I didn't realized it was edited. Welp, my bad I guess.

 

[InfernalTater]

Trust me I'm not calling it sh!t, far from it

You're spending all this time making things that is in my opinion absolute sh!t.

Really?

Did you even read my message?

I did read your message. Your original message was talking trash about a variety of features in the map, constantly talking about how you hated it because it wasn't like Island Defense.

It wasn't until later that you edited your post, deleting pretty much the whole thing and typing something different because you realized I was right, and you really were talking a bunch of shit just because of your personal preference.

If you wanted to counter argument, you should have posted facts instead of trash talking Razosh. Its his opinion that actually make some sense and have the potential to help Sverker on the long run.

Stop dickriding.

I never once insulted Razosh; my entire post was explaining why he should not rate one map poorly based on his personal preference when he likes a completely different map. This is SvD, not Island Defense.

You accuse me of dickriding just because I have a different point of view, but if anyone here is doing that, it's you, raging and insulting me in "defense" of your buddy without even reading what was said.

Hmmm, I haven't read the quoted message since I didn't realized it was edited. Welp, my bad I guess.

And don't try to pretend you did read it in the future. I'm quoting this as well for accuracy.

 

[Razosh]

Really?

I called the AI's sh!t yes because I think they make zero differense in a multiplayer map.

I did read your message. Your original message was talking trash about a variety of features in the map, constantly talking about how you hated it because it wasn't like Island Defense.

It wasn't until later that you edited your post, deleting pretty much the whole thing and typing something different because you realized I was right, and you really were talking a bunch of shit just because of your personal preference.

Not because of my personal preferences but rather due to the lack of variation ingame but yes you're right my message absolutly appeared hostile.

 

[InfernalTater]

I called the AI's sh!t yes because I think they make zero differense in a multiplayer map.

You also called the talent trees shit, which is pretty much the backbone of the entire game, what sets it apart from others.

You keep talking trash about every unique feature this map has, just because they aren't in Island Defense. If you like Island Defense so much, just go play that, but let this be something different. There is no point in having 5,000 clones of Island Defense with different skins. I like the idea of having a completely different map, with completely different features, for people who have different tastes. If Island Defense is your favorite map in the world, then just keep playing that, but don't destroy someone else's work by asking them to destroy all of the features that make it unique (like skill trees and AI) while wanting them to implement all of the features existing in Island Defense. There's already a map like Island Defense, it's called Island Defense, and you can just go play that, if that's what you want to play. This is SvD, and it's supposed to be something different, for people who want something different. I know this might sound shocking to you, but out of the some 500,000 people across the different servers who still play Warcraft III, some of us actually want to play something other than Island Defense every now and then.

 

[Razosh]

You also called the talent trees shit, which is pretty much the backbone of the entire game, what sets it apart from others.

You keep talking trash about every unique feature this map has, just because they aren't in Island Defense. If you like Island Defense so much, just go play that, but let this be something different. There is no point in having 5,000 clones of Island Defense with different skins.

For instance you've made this really neat talent tree

Maybe you need to pick up a dictionary.

And once again comes this comment about me wanting a Island Defense clone though I've already responded to it.

Ok so you keep on editing your post like crazy I'm compelled to ask why are you so unable to move past my original post when I've changed it and said I'm sorry it appeared more hostile than intended? Do you hold some personal grudge against me or is there any other reason you're hell bent on being hostile towards me?

 

[InfernalTater]

Ok so you keep on editing your post like crazy

Pot calling the kettle black. You edited your entire post, practically deleting it and typing something completely different just to pretend you never said any of the things I mentioned. The only edits I've made to my posts were quoting other parts of your posts and responding to them (rather than double-posting), but I haven't edited anything that I've said.

Ok so you keep on editing your post like crazy I'm compelled to ask why are you so unable to move past my original post when I've changed it and said I'm sorry it appeared more hostile than intended? Do you hold some personal grudge against me or is there any other reason you're hell bent on being hostile towards me?

Again, pot calling the kettle black. You were talking all kinds of trash about the map, and all I did was point out that you were being overly hostile and shouldn't be so angry just because this isn't a clone of a different map that you prefer.

You made a hostile post, and I responded appropriately. Don't pretend I'm the one being hostile just because you edited your post afterwards.

I called the AI's sh!t yes because I think they make zero differense in a multiplayer map.

Then I guess every multiplayer game should never have AI's? Melee maps should have no AI's? Co-op campaigns should have no AI's? AoS maps should have no AI's?

You may not value AI's yourself, but that doesn't mean they're a bad thing, and you should quit raging about it over and over again just because you don't think it should have AI's.

Yes, it's a multiplayer map, but there are many instances where someone might want an AI, such as when practicing to learn the game, when stuck without internet, when not having many people in the lobby and wanting to fill up a slot, or when the Satyr quits the game. Plenty of people, including myself, consider an AI a valuable feature to any map, as that allows people to continue playing even in the above situations. If you don't like AI's, you don't have to use them; it's not like they'll take over players and insert themselves into their games against their will. (Cue AI Revolution against BNet) "There are too many of them! They've filled the lobby! I can't kick them all! I need reinforcements! The computers are everywhere!"

 

[Razosh]

This have gone on for too long I'm ending this petty argument right now. I have already appologiesed and tried to right my wrongs and that's all I can do.

 

[Sverkerman]

@Razosh & TLI-Inferno
I really do appreciate that you two feel so strongly about the map. This map is no longer under development due to life changes.

This was my first real attempt at creating the "best" multiplayer experience. When I was modding WC3 it was very important to me to be the best at what I was doing. I created Dualism which "was" the "best" single player map.

Looking at the aftermath I can agree to that having several different classes with a more global set of aspects covered by the talent tree would have been a good idea.

I'm looking forward to the announcement of Warcraft 4 which will make me pick up modding again! If the delay is long I might feel tempted to put a game idea which I've had for a while into works.

 

[InfernalTater]

@Razosh & TLI-Inferno
I really do appreciate that you two feel so strongly about the map. This map is no longer under development due to life changes.

This was my first real attempt at creating the "best" multiplayer experience. When I was modding WC3 it was very important to me to be the best at what I was doing. I created Dualism which "was" the "best" single player map.

Looking at the aftermath I can agree to that having several different classes with a more global set of aspects covered by the talent tree would have been a good idea.

I'm looking forward to the announcement of Warcraft 4 which will make me pick up modding again! If the delay is long I might feel tempted to put a game idea which I've had for a while into works.

It would indeed be cool to have other playable characters, but the amount of work it would take to create the talent trees, abilities, etc, would basically be almost as much as the effort of creating a whole new game, which could probably instead just be put to improving what already exists.

That's just my opinion, though.

 

[edo494]

@Razosh & TLI-Inferno
I really do appreciate that you two feel so strongly about the map. This map is no longer under development due to life changes.

This was my first real attempt at creating the "best" multiplayer experience. When I was modding WC3 it was very important to me to be the best at what I was doing. I created Dualism which "was" the "best" single player map.

Looking at the aftermath I can agree to that having several different classes with a more global set of aspects covered by the talent tree would have been a good idea.

I'm looking forward to the announcement of Warcraft 4 which will make me pick up modding again! If the delay is long I might feel tempted to put a game idea which I've had for a while into works.

its more likely Hive will program Warcraft 4 before Blizzard does

Also I wonder who rated the map "The best single player"? Or better said, by what you meassure "The best map"?

 

[Sverkerman]

Haha yeah that is so true

I think it is the best map because nobody would believe that WC3 could be as scary and realistic as I managed to make it XD

 

[IamFootman061]

I don't know that talent trees can be done in Wc3. You're awesome, man!

 

[InfernalTater]

Since you've stopped development of this map, could you at least allow someone to have a look at the code and fix the bugs?

 

[Sverkerman]

Whoever that someone might be should contact me via PM.

 

[Lenura]

wish we had a bothost, i miss this game t.t

 

[Sverkerman]

5 years since SvD was released
A big thank-you to @myqix for this update! Here is the complete changelog:

Changelog

Changelog SvD 2.1


Game:
# Changed Restarting Time from 5 seconds to 20 seconds
# Changed random Sound to Music
# Movespeed Max from 400 to 522
# Movespeed min from 25 to 1
# Added hero glow to draenei and satyr

Satyr:
+ Added Shadowsight Ability
+ Reduced Shop Area Healing AoE from 1000 to 700 and healing rate from 0.10 to 0.08

Items:
+ Added 5th arour item
+ Added block chance for all armor items
+ Urn Income increased from 6 every 7 seconds to 21 every 7 seconds and urn stacks now
+ Potion healing increased from 50 to 100
+ Attack potion up from 14 damage to 18 damage but reduced duration from 140 to 100


Wolf:
+ Prowl increased from from 6 to 12 seconds and movespeed reduction from 70 % to 30%


Fel Beast
+ Removed 99 % damage reduction and added prowl instead


Draenei
+ Changed income timer from 3 seconds to 1.5 seconds but reducded income by 50 %
+ Watcher ability cd reducded from 120 to 50
+ Tower Range increased from 550 to 650
+ Destroy Building has now 5 second casting time