Sunken City v2.5.0

[Sladki]

Do minions "Reduced damage taken" stat stacks from two identical items? Increased pet damage do, but it seems that reductions do not. How do Tombstone flat damage reduction stacks with %damage reduction? Is it applied before or after percent reduction?

 

[Kusanagi Kuro]

Do minions "Reduced damage taken" stat stacks from two identical items? Increased pet damage do, but it seems that reductions do not. How do Tombstone flat damage reduction stacks with %damage reduction? Is it applied before or after percent reduction?

1/Doesnt stack on 2 identical items.

2/Tombstone reduces the base attack of the creep. It's attack reduction, not damage reduction.

So for example: A creep has 400 damage and deals 100% damage to all armor type. lvl 4 tombstone reduce that by 40 (Dont remember exact number, but let take this for easy calculation)

Your summon has 30% damage reduction from armor, another 20% from items and 10 damage from flat damage reduction.

So if that creep attack your summon, the formula for damage deal would be this:

((400 - 40) x 100% x (100% - 30%) x (100% - 20%)) - 10 = 191.6 damage.

 

[Davion24]

In the future you can use this thread for puzzle related questions and hints and tips:
Puzzle Hints , Help and Solution Thread

This thread is mostly used for bug reports, comments on the updates, and others.

Also I'm thinking summons can crash the game should you save when they are spawning or the enemy summons get stuck. Happened to me in previous versions and at least once in 4.4a

 

[Sladki]

I have another save corrupted. The save was done while in battle with blinding garden boss. Gladly I saved to another file at the beginning of the battle (2.4.4a, 1.30).

UPD: Saving while the boss was "channeling" (a progress bar was rendered) the blinding spell made the save corrupted.
Perhaps, the "channeled" meteor shower by one of the Two Corridor Key boss minions (chaos golem) was the reason of save corruption last time.

 

[SpasMaster]

I have another save corrupted.

Despite your detailed description, @Sladki Blizzard have explicitly asked me for replays as it is the only thing that would help them.

 

[Sladki]

Despite your detailed description, @Sladki Blizzard have explicitly asked me for replays as it is the only thing that would help them.

Replay of what exactly? And there is no button to save it.

 

[nuck001]

Pay attention to the colors of 4 runes that near the Gentulon boss. Those 4 colors can be the key for u to solve this.

Thank you very much.I thought the colored runes was just a discarded puzzle of old version.Take a look at what i've done at first:

Hidden

The color of red is very similar to the color of FRAME.

 

[Kusanagi Kuro]

Thank you very much.I thought the colored runes was just a discarded puzzle of old version.Take a look at what i've done at first:

Hidden

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The color of red is very similar to the color of FRAME.

Hope u can find the way out from there.

 

[Senneria]

Replay of what exactly? And there is no button to save it.

Warcraft 3 always saves a replay of the very last map you played.
It can be found with the path C:\Users\%username%\Documents\Warcraft III\Replay

 

[Sladki]

Warcraft 3 always saves a replay of the very last map you played.
It can be found with the path C:\Users\%username%\Documents\Warcraft III\Replay

There is a replay with first minutes of the game in the folder.

 

[Burndead]

There is a replay with first minutes of the game in the folder.

I can confirm this. Same thing here as well.

 

[SpasMaster]

And do you guys have the option to save the replay of your game during the Score Screen?

 

[Burndead]

And do you guys have the option to save the replay of your game during the Score Screen?

There's no such thing when the game crashes cause it will exit you to the desktop. At least, that's what happened to me.

 

[Crett]

not that it helps but i've also lost two games to the save bug.
i can provide a replay (had a save right before the bugged save) BUT i'm completely unsure that the replay will contain the bug, since you can only really know when it's too late.

well. i suppose i could try saving and then quitting the game normally and THEN saving the replay, and then sending it only if the save doesn't work. that might take me a bit though.

 

[goldviper]

key of the moon dont work

 

[Davion24]

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key of the moon dont work

Yeah you gonna need u put that in your bag.

 

[Strigas]

I am a huge fan of the game and have played it many times but never managed to succeed the Redemption challenge. Can anyone give me a hint on how to Release the Spirit of the King?

Cheers

 

[goldviper]

Yeah you gonna need u put that in your bag.

sorry , new with the map but the key is in my inventory ?

 

[SpasMaster]

the key is in my inventory ?

You have a Backpack. Look at the top left of your screen. There is a Backpack there that can store items for you. Additionally, certain items work only when placed in the Backpack.

 

[goldviper]

Stuck again , how to open this gate , i killed doomguard and skeletion

 

[Davion24]

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Stuck again , how to open this gate , i killed doomguard and skeletion

Reading/Inspecting bookshleves can help in solving most puzzles.

 

[Davion24]

I am a huge fan of the game and have played it many times but never managed to succeed the Redemption challenge. Can anyone give me a hint on how to Release the Spirit of the King?

Cheers

You going to need to finish a quest line and make a special item to help feric. The recipe can be found in a very hard dungeon.

 

[goldviper]

Is this bug? i click the vail at the glows altars and nothing happen ?

 

[Davion24]

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Is this bug? i click the vail at the glows altars and nothing happen ?

Where stuck start reading bookshelves, there's one in the upper left right now.

 

[goldviper]

Where stuck start reading bookshelves, there's one in the upper left right now.

u cant say that everytime , i tried that , see the order of level man.

 

[Davion24]

Yeah , I didn't see u moved them, that is odd. Maybe try reloading maybe it's just a trigger fail.

 

[SpasMaster]

Is the door at the top of the corridor still closed? If yes, try turning down all switches and try again.

 

[NucaBebo]

where i can find cogwheels for twin coridor key lever ?

 

[L_FADEN_J]

Hello! I can't understand how to open this door. There is a Libraries key and Feric's key, but they do not work. Or tell me what to do next
Please help!

 

[Davion24]

Hello! I can't understand how to open this door. There is a Libraries key and Feric's key, but they do not work. Or tell me what to do next
Please help!

If you bump into the door , it will say that you will need a "powerful" force to open it. Check your surroundings for a powerful thing to break the door.

 

[L_FADEN_J]

If you bump into the door , it will say that you will need a "powerful" force to open it. Check your surroundings for a powerful thing to break the door.

Thank you, as you wrote it, I immediately understood what it was about

 

[aslanamca]

Thank you, as you wrote it, I immediately understood what it was about

really I dont understand that how can I open this gate and how can I find a digging to dig soft dirty plss help me

 

[L_FADEN_J]

really I dont understand that how can I open this gate and how can I find a digging to dig soft dirty plss help me

It was nearby. just find it

 

[Senneria]

You need to use golems from the Bel'shan fight.
If those are dead you're screwed.

 

[Williamwalrus]

I wish this had like a nightmare/hell mode, like Diablo, so you could re-do the map with your complete-build hero.

 

[zarpalasjohn]

Can you make a free mode with no life so we can play without worrying about dying?
I know its the purpose of this map to think before you go into battle but i will like a mode that we can relax and enjoy the map .
Maybe give a code after we beat the game so you have to won the map once and then you can play free mode?
By the way the latest changes of this map were super keep it up.

 

[Burndead]

Can you make a free mode with no life so we can play without worrying about dying?
I know its the purpose of this map to think before you go into battle but i will like a mode that we can relax and enjoy the map .
Maybe give a code after we beat the game so you have to won the map once and then you can play free mode?
By the way the latest changes of this map were super keep it up.

Just play on Easy/Normal with 40 lives. It's enough to not worry at all.

 

[zarpalasjohn]

Just play on Easy/Normal with 40 lives. It's enough to not worry at all.

I am playing at hell dif always , i don't want to play easy/normal i just like the "free mode" like i said to enjoy the map better , still in easy/normal you have max 40 deaths it's limited not unlimited ,not that i would play an easy no death mode .

Max dif with no death count will be great.

 

[aeman]

I am playing at hell dif always , i don't want to play easy/normal i just like the "free mode" like i said to enjoy the map better , still in easy/normal you have max 40 deaths it's limited not unlimited ,not that i would play an easy no death mode .

Max dif with no death count will be great.

like dark soul?

 

[zarpalasjohn]

like dark soul?

yeah , artorias like dark souls.

 

[SpasMaster]

i just like the "free mode" like i said to enjoy the map better , still in easy/normal you have max 40 deaths it's limited not unlimited ,not that i would play an easy no death mode .

Let me give you a game design explanation as to why this isn't going to happen:

There are two types of approaches to encounters in order for game difficulty to matter in any way:
A: You have unlimited lives. However, each encounter has a 'refresh' or 'regen' mechanic (however you want to call it). For example, you engage a boss fight (or a creep camp for that matter) and if you die, the boss/camp is back to full health.
B: Creep camps and boss fights do not regenerate back to full health. However, you have limited lives.

Basically you have two concepts that counter eachother:
Regen Mechanic vs. Limited Lives. - If you have one you don't have the other, but you must always have one of the two. Because without them, then difficulties don't matter. Let me give an example.

You have a boss fight and you start the encounter on Hell Heroic.
In scenario A, you have to use your skills and abilities to defeat the boss on the said difficulty. If you happen to die, you have to restart. (This is how Dark Souls works.) If you don't have what it takes to take down the boss, then you cannot go further and maybe a lower difficulty will suit you better. At any rate, the difficulty dictates whether or not you will be able to take the boss down and make progress.
In scenario B, you begin the encounter and if you happen to die, the boss will not go back to full. You can re-engage him once more, but you lose a life. Once again, if you die too often, then you cannot go further and maybe a lower difficulty will result in a more successful run.

No matter how you look at it, there has to be a penalty for failure, otherwise game difficulties become meaningless. What does Hell Heroic even mean if you throw two spells at a camp, die (creeps don't go back to full health) and then you do that again X times until the camp is dead. At that point Hell Heroic becomes simply a way longer version of Easy Standard because the only thing you would lose is time. And I personally don't imagine higher difficulties to simply mean 'more time to take down'.

Sunken City utilizes approach B, but if it were to utilize approach A then your comment would have said something along the lines of:
"Hey, how about a mode where the creeps don't regenerate back to full health after each death?"
In which case, if we take both scenarios, what you are actually asking for is:
"Hey, can I have a mode where I have no penalty for failiure?"

Which, unfortunately is a concept that I am not fond of.
So yeah... TL;DR: Such a mode won't happen. People who want a more chill run can go for Easy Standard where you don't get penalized as much or as often.

 

[zarpalasjohn]

Let me give you a game design explanation as to why this isn't going to happen:

There are two types of approaches to encounters in order for game difficulty to matter in any way:
A: You have unlimited lives. However, each encounter has a 'refresh' or 'regen' mechanic (however you want to call it). For example, you engage a boss fight (or a creep camp for that matter) and if you die, the boss/camp is back to full health.
B: Creep camps and boss fights do not regenerate back to full health. However, you have limited lives.

Basically you have two concepts that counter eachother:
Regen Mechanic vs. Limited Lives. - If you have one you don't have the other, but you must always have one of the two. Because without them, then difficulties don't matter. Let me give an example.

You have a boss fight and you start the encounter on Hell Heroic.
In scenario A, you have to use your skills and abilities to defeat the boss on the said difficulty. If you happen to die, you have to restart. (This is how Dark Souls works.) If you don't have what it takes to take down the boss, then you cannot go further and maybe a lower difficulty will suit you better. At any rate, the difficulty dictates whether or not you will be able to take the boss down and make progress.
In scenario B, you begin the encounter and if you happen to die, the boss will not go back to full. You can re-engage him once more, but you lose a life. Once again, if you die too often, then you cannot go further and maybe a lower difficulty will result in a more successful run.

No matter how you look at it, there has to be a penalty for failure, otherwise game difficulties become meaningless. What does Hell Heroic even mean if you throw two spells at a camp, die (creeps don't go back to full health) and then you do that again X times until the camp is dead. At that point Hell Heroic becomes simply a way longer version of Easy Standard because the only thing you would lose is time. And I personally don't imagine higher difficulties to simply mean 'more time to take down'.

Sunken City utilizes approach B, but if it were to utilize approach A then your comment would have said something along the lines of:
"Hey, how about a mode where the creeps don't regenerate back to full health after each death?"
In which case, if we take both scenarios, what you are actually asking for is:
"Hey, can I have a mode where I have no penalty for failiure?"

Which, unfortunately is a concept that I am not fond of.
So yeah... TL;DR: Such a mode won't happen. People who want a more chill run can go for Easy Standard where you don't get penalized as much or as often.

Well i tried hehehe.
No bad feelings of course , thanks for the answer and your time.
Keep up the good work , i am playing this map since 1.7.2 version with my friends and we had a lot of fun .

 

[janjan1]

screenies will be coming soon.

Version 1.4 Brought A LOT to this map that it was lacking, just look at the changelog.

I'm writing up a new description for the map as we speak, so it should be up soon.

# anyone please tell me how to get spectral dagger

 

[janjan1]

anyone please tell me how to get spectral dagger

 

[Mortu]

I don't know if this is the right place to post this but me and 2 friends ran into weird issue that ultimately made us give up trying to play the map. Basicly after playing about hour and a half we saved the game to continue it later and when we tried load the save only 1 person was allowed to join in at any time. We tried with all 3 as hosts and the other 2 joining in different orders with every possible combination but the game would always instantly kick out the second person joining in. We were able to create the game with no problem and create melee games too but whenever we tried loading a save of the map it always had the same problem. We were playing in local btw, if that matters.

 

[SpasMaster]

only 1 person was allowed to join in at any time.

What warcraft patch are you using? The issue you are describing was fixed in one of the updates.

 

[Mortu]

What warcraft patch are you using? The issue you are describing was fixed in one of the updates.

1.29.2.9321

 

[SpasMaster]

That's basically the reaaon. Update to latest patch and the issue will be gone.

 

[locnph]

i need some hint for open the chest

 

[witchdoctor]

I just finished the game today, solo Hunter, Insane Difficulty and Heroic Mode, really challenging, but still completed. Just use some tricks, hit and run, save/ load to get good item, them all will be fine. It take me 3 days to finish the game. Such a good time after leave Warcaft quite long time. I enjoyed it so much, thanks to SpasMaster, your map just awesome.
There still something that concern me:
1. I can kill all bosses, complete almost challenges, except Take a Deep Breath, cause I'm not tanker in early game. But there a challenge , the Triple Kill challenge, you have to kill 3 boss in 4 seconds, that just impossible I think, even with a team of 3.
2. To open the gate lead to Sidian boss, we have to deactivate 2 switchs, but the one in other side seem unable to reach cause a death trap on the way to it. I run around for while to find a way through but can't. Finally, I try to use Invulnerable Potion buy in the Horde camp. its work! But is there any way around?