Sunken City v2.5.0

[Qvelting]

I forgot to mention that I've used Count's Memento Shadow item. It gains you strength. But later in the game I've replaced it. The DK build is in fact based on gold-price items but that doesn't matter that much. I was experimenting and it went good. Don't get me wrong - everyone can build the hero as much as he likes.

Definitely, you have a lot more to learn about the map. And when you do advance, you will get more satisfaction with it. Good luck with that.




1. The disabled rod is used by Agility heroes to get Thoridal bow legendary item. Go at the Western Entrance, near the Matriarch Hydra. The Naga is a part of obtaining another legendary, which in my opinion is not worth the effort.

Yeah I'm coming to realise. Maybe it's just too hard for me, I had to scum it by buying 2x gold pr 5s items and let it run over night

I know it's for the legendary bow, it's the one piece I can't seem to find. Are you mixing with the machine you need to "fix" the disabled rod with? Or am I remembering it wrong. I thought it was find the rod and then go to the machine west of western entrance, am I misremembering the clues? =)

 

[barbov]

Where's the disabled rod found?

Close to the arcane towers.

 

[barbov]

Go at the Western Entrance, near the Matriarch Hydra.

Thank you Burndead. I am afraid I got mixed up. I thought the "Disabled rod" replaced the broken mechanism blocking the way to the Twin corridor key, but it apparently does not. Where is that replacement mechanism or where are the hints to it? I have read everything everywhere and I have no idea

 

[Qvelting]

Thank you Burndead. I am afraid I got mixed up. I thought the "Disabled rod" replaced the broken mechanism blocking the way to the Twin corridor key, but it apparently does not. Where is that replacement mechanism or where are the hints to it? I have read everything everywhere and I have no idea

There's some pipes in that area east of the troll village with a platform going up and down.

 

[Qvelting]

Close to the arcane towers.

The ones that disppears after you run to the circle of power? Or the ones at the entrance of the treasure rooms?

 

[barbov]

There's some pipes in that area east of the troll village with a platform going up and down.

The platform is not moving, because you need to activate it first by "replacing the mechanism", and I don't know how to do that

 

[barbov]

The ones that disppears after you run to the circle of power? Or the ones at the entrance of the treasure rooms?

The three arcane towers before the park entrance

 

[Qvelting]

The platform is not moving, because you need to activate it first by "replacing the mechanism", and I don't know how to do that

It's just between the troll village and Masters chamber(says so in huge writings). I was refering to a different platform. Look for some pipes just west of the masters chambers.

Now you owe me a clue on how to find the disabled rod

 

[barbov]

It's just between the troll village and Masters chamber(says so in huge writings). I was refering to a different platform. Look for some pipes just west of the masters chambers.

Now you owe me a clue on how to find the disabled rod

Thanks! I posted one already up there, now more specifically - north of the three arcane towers before the park entrance, there is an object in a containment field. You need something else to get it though

 

[Qvelting]

Thanks! I posted one already up there, now more specifically - north of the three arcane towers before the park entrance, there is an object in a containment field. You need something else to get it though

Oh yeah, I've seen that one. I don't have any idea how to get the item though Clue?

 

[Qvelting]

I realise this is the one run I play an agi hero and it's the one run the seal of elven warrior or w/e haven't dropped. Good stuff. Time left til I get the god essence though

 

[barbov]

Oh yeah, I've seen that one. I don't have any idea how to get the item though Clue?

You need to use a stone there... no logic, just tried it and it worked.

 

[Qvelting]

You need to use a stone there... no logic, just tried it and it worked.

Eh, use a stone?

 

[barbov]

Eh, use a stone?

A gemstone. Do I need to be even more specific?

 

[Qvelting]

A gemstone. Do I need to be even more specific?

Awesome, thanks

 

[barbov]

Awesome, thanks

How is it possible to open the massive ruined gate opened by the two circles of power in the west wing after the moon door while playing solo? I managed to get a minion on the second circle and it did not trigger.
Since the map is apparently soloable, I am missing something. Please help!

 

[SpasMaster]

Since the map is apparently soloable, I am missing something. Please help!

Use Inspect on the Circles of Power.

 

[barbov]

Thank you mon!

 

[Qvelting]

The non-attribute legendaries wouldn't neccesarily be possible to get every run, but aren't 1 component of the attribute ones random drop chance? or is there a sure way to get them? Mote of fire and seal of w/e seems random?

 

[Burndead]

@SpasMaster

Given this information, we should expect the new version to come in the next month, perhaps?

 

[Senneria]

The non-attribute legendaries wouldn't neccesarily be possible to get every run, but aren't 1 component of the attribute ones random drop chance? or is there a sure way to get them? Mote of fire and seal of w/e seems random?

Currently there is randomness involved to get the STR and INT legendaries, yes. However, new legendary system is being developped to replace the old attribute based one.
Stay tuned.

 

[Qvelting]

Currently there is randomness involved to get the STR and INT legendaries, yes. However, new legendary system is being developped to replace the old attribute based one.
Stay tuned.

Oh, you guys are making even more shit? How you even have the motivation when it's already so good, I have no idea

I found it. The agi-legendary was somewhat disappointing compared to the Str one. Maybe I just need to go out all on-hib build with the 300% epic?

 

[Burndead]

Oh, you guys are making even more shit? How you even have the motivation when it's already so good, I have no idea

I found it. The agi-legendary was somewhat disappointing compared to the Str one. Maybe I just need to go out all on-hib build with the 300% epic?

Which agi hero you are playing currently?

 

[SpasMaster]

Major announcement about Sunken City has just been made. Read through it, let me know what you think and cast your vote in the poll: Sunken City's Major Rework

 

[Qvelting]

Which agi hero you are playing currently?

Hunter. I've gone full crit %/dmg, so it's not that great with that build. Maybe that's just my own fault for not planning properly =)

 

[Burndead]

Hunter. I've gone full crit %/dmg, so it's not that great with that build. Maybe that's just my own fault for not planning properly =)

Depends on your crit items.

Although, I've got the same feeling - on-hit is better than crit build.

Edit: Here's the screen, @Qvelting

I was using Drought's Scimitar but replaced it with the Ring of Oblivion for the final boss.

 

[SpasMaster]

2.3.6 update:

Progress with 2.3.6 stalled for a few days. Reason being that while it was very easy to come up with puzzles/quests/effects for certain class legendaries, it turned out to be tedious and annoying for others. And I wasn't even halfway through done with them... This lead me to rework the core system - all heroes will still have unique legendaries, but they will all complete the same big quest together.

It's worthwhile noting that this will significantly speed up the legendary creation process.

 

[Burndead]

Thanks for the update. Good luck working on that major update and keep it up as usual.

 

[SarcrofS]

I can't play the last version, gives the mensage "map file is too big". How fix this? last patch in Wc3, Win7 64 bits.

 

[SpasMaster]

"map file is too big"

Patch Warcraft 3 to 1.27b.

 

[Gentar]

im stuck for hours trying to find the 4th switch entrance thats blocked from rolling stone door,what do i need to open it? v2.3.5

 

[MenhICT]

im stuck for hours trying to find the 4th switch entrance thats blocked from rolling stone door,what do i need to open it? v2.3.5

Stand in the circle in front of it.

 

[Burndead]

I think I've found a bug or sorta.

Playing Shaman in 2.3.3c. I've stacked a lot of health regeneration attributes - talent, items, flask, skills, glyph
What I've noticed was that if I cast Earth shield to boost my health regen even more, it causes the enemies to deal more damage to me. If I don't cast it, I tank noticeably easy.
Stats are: 5.5k hp, 30 armor, dmg reducing items + glyph/s.

It's a bit older version but dunno if anyone noticed this.

 

[SpasMaster]

It's a bit older version

This might be the reason. Earth Shield received some technical changes recently. Try newer versions to see if the problem persists for you.

 

[Burndead]

I've found a big bug.

I was spinning and hitting some troll wizzards. After the Windstorm ended, my skills were all silenced. I died in order to see if that will fix the issue but it remained the same.

Also, I have the reset Q glyph learned.

2.3.5. version

 

[SarcrofS]

Now playing, thanks for give me the tip for update wc3.

Anyone have a website or a document with tips for this map? a lot of things for learning

 

[Senneria]

Now playing, thanks for give me the tip for update wc3.

Anyone have a website or a document with tips for this map? a lot of things for learning

Nobody has compiled a list as far as I am aware. The amount of time that needs to be spent is quite vast. I've got recording and everything set, but unfortunaetly I've been ill so not made any progress on any Sunken City video content

 

[director123]

It's a very well map made, tons of fun, one of the best crawler maps I've played. However it has some questionable design decision that kill alot of the fun.

First of all, instagib traps and moves combined with limited amount of lives and a shitty wc3 save system can make the game unbearable later on. Instakills in general feel very cheap. It has more replay value than most maps for sure, but for a first time playthrough it can even kill the run since you dont know where the traps are or how to work around them to get the rewards. You end up wasting a lot of lives trying out things. Why even add lives to a map like this, I dont think it adds anything to it, maybe introduce a mode to remove them.

Secondly, inspecting aoe seems a little small, and since things are hidden in terrain, you end up inspecting every inch of everything which doesnt seem that fun to me. An example the small room south of waterworks where you find explosives. A single inspect should find them, but it seems even in such a small room you have to inspect very close to the pile of equipment to find them. Again, I dont see the value of it, since you should just see the explosives right away. This is more of an annoyance and I understand it's important for secretish and optional stuff. But hiding items in doodads or items looking like doodads that are important for finish the game is just annoying.

Another annoyance is the fact that you need to juggle items constantly. Keys, bowls of water, other usable items cant be used from backpack. This is very annoying for items that dont have a clear cut usage, and you end up trying to use them on anything that COULD have something to do with it.

The annoyances aside, the first issue is what I have the most beef with. Most people wont replay a map, and 5 hours in with just a few lives left, we'd have to save and recreate game constantly to avoid losing. I dont think we'll ever finish or replay it, which is a shame considering how well made the map is.

 

[Zalinthel]

Nobody has compiled a list as far as I am aware. The amount of time that needs to be spent is quite vast. I've got recording and everything set, but unfortunaetly I've been ill so not made any progress on any Sunken City video content

Sunken City 2.3.5 Hero Guide

I started a Class guide a while back; I did one class and then let it sit. If anyone would be interested in this I can work on it in my free time.

 

[PhucTH]

can anyone help me with the water way puzzles?

 

[Burndead]

can anyone help me with the water way puzzles?

Inspect every single bookshelf when you find one!

 

[SpasMaster]

Instakills in general feel very cheap.

I agree. Traps will be revisited in the future.

Secondly, inspecting aoe seems a little small, and since things are hidden in terrain, you end up inspecting every inch of everything which doesnt seem that fun to me. An example the small room south of waterworks where you find explosives. A single inspect should find them, but it seems even in such a small room you have to inspect very close to the pile of equipment to find them. Again, I dont see the value of it, since you should just see the explosives right away. This is more of an annoyance and I understand it's important for secretish and optional stuff. But hiding items in doodads or items looking like doodads that are important for finish the game is just annoying.

I dunno if you realise this, but there are Blue Circles on the ground that you have to target. You don't have to target on random areas. If you have to target an area that does not have a Blue Circle, then it's either a Bookshelf or a terrain object described or eluded to by a Bookshelf.

Another annoyance is the fact that you need to juggle items constantly. Keys, bowls of water, other usable items cant be used from backpack. This is very annoying for items that dont have a clear cut usage, and you end up trying to use them on anything that COULD have something to do with it.

I can see it being annoying to newer players. The more you get used to which item goes where, the more organized things get and therefore less annoying.

The annoyances aside, the first issue is what I have the most beef with. Most people wont replay a map, and 5 hours in with just a few lives left, we'd have to save and recreate game constantly to avoid losing. I dont think we'll ever finish or replay it, which is a shame considering how well made the map is.

You are losing lives because you seem to have died quite a few times at traps, which, if you have more experience will know the locations of and won't even step in them in the first place.

Don't speak for other people:

Most people wont replay a map

cause I have managed a community in Garena/Discord for 5 years, overseed a Facebook page for 4 years and have had this comment section for 7 years. Trust me. Players WILL replay the map. Over. And over. And over again. If you won't - that's fine. Just pls don't speak for others.

Basically, if you think about it, all of your issues come from lack of experience:
-You keep stepping at 1-shot traps. I agree that the mechanic is outdated and as I have said, I will rework it. But let's look at things as they are atm: With each game, starting after the first 1, you already know where the traps are and you can easily avoid them.
-You stock a lot of items, because you still can't use them as soon as you can. I am sure you have many quest items stored that you put to use at a way later point than you can initially use them. While I can understand frustration coming from jiggling items around, it's a core tool that I have to work with when it comes to designing puzzles and building lore, so unfortunately they are staying.
-You are having issues with replaying the map. Sure, that's fine. A game cannot possibly fit everyone. But I am satisfied with the amount of replayabilty I have delivered to justify replaying the map atleast a couple of times with different heroes.

Thanks for your comment. TL;DR - traps will be revisited at some point.

 

[Burndead]

The hype is real.

 

[SpasMaster]

The hype is real.

The changelog is real

 

[Senneria]

The changelog is real

Time to stare at Facebook replying and whatnot >_<

 

[TxHiroxT]

Druid
"The cooldown of Force of Nature has been reduced to 18 seconds down from 16 seconds." ? xD

Holy sh.t. Dat nerfs to PrimalG, poor boy, (edit, i just test it the first camps, it's very good in his role, he was so much op in the previus patch, no? XD)

Love the majority items changes, this version dosnt look like a #.#.X xD

 

[Burndead]

I didn't read at the changelog about introducing the new custom stat - Mastery.

Or did I miss it with all those blue letters around?

 

[maniawar3]

glad to see the sea elemental and the troll statue fixed c: hype is real

 

[Burndead]

Which agi hero gains the most agi per level? Rogue?

Also, how much HP per level str heroes gain in relation to the agi int hp buff now?

 

[SpasMaster]

Version 2.3.6 has just been hotfixed. A couple of issues have been addressed, so make sure to download the 2.3.6a version!

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I didn't read at the changelog about introducing the new custom stat - Mastery.

Fixed.

Which agi hero gains the most agi per level? Rogue?

I believe it was the Rogue, yes. I don't have the map open before me, but it should be him.

Also, how much HP per level str heroes gain in relation to the agi int hp buff now?

STR heroes do not gain extra health per level. Never did.